Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: gwEm on September 20, 2008, 02:52:07 AM
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oh dear...
so i don't normally post on internet forums under the infuence of alcohol, but i must get this down.
a friend of mine and i were drinking at the three crowns on city road, i'd had four pints and a jd and coke, but that hardly matters. obviously some w**kers in the pub saw two guys wearing glasses getting slightly pissed and decided to follow us. they must have been about 22 y/o i reckon. anyway, approaching old street roundabout they started husselling us, trying to start some sort of fight. one of them was slightly built looking, but his mate was really skrawny and easily 'haveable' so to speak. anyway, they started to try and entice us into some sort of fight and we were like 'no mate'. there was lots of people around and the whole thing was really absurd. after a while they tried to drag me down an alley, but i wasn't really feeling that drunk, and they didn't seem that strong so i dragged myself back to my mate and we kept walking. then they bullshiteeeeeeted us that they has some sort of knife action going down, and i said 'go on then, slice me up'. this sort of stalemate kept on and then they got bored and $%&#ed off.
now obviously these guys were lamers... if they'd wanted to mug us, they'd have silently followed us until we split up and then picked on one of us when it was quiet. feeling slightly shaken at the moment thinking what if they had been pro, it would have been so easy for them, the other half of me is jubilant at beating these really super-lamer would be muggers. anyway, it makes you think doesn't it. so much violence around these days. really wound up now, not sure i'll sleep. can understand what its like to be really mugged a bit more now.
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I am glad you are OK -the vermin that infest our streets are tiresome.Trouble is, as you alluded to, they can have weapons and things can turn deadly in a blink. I hope you managed to find some sleep.
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I wouldn't dwell on it too much, sadly our society is full of scum.
We live in a country that has a lot of wealth in it and that sadly means lots of idiots try and mug people
Well done for keeping your wits (and wallet) about you
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Seems to be getting all too common, doesn't it?
Sounds like you and your mate handled the situation really well. Good on ya.
Mark.
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When I was 11 or 12 and out with a 'girlfriend' in Bath (where I used to live before Hull, when I was 14), we were stopped down a small backstreet (in the middle of the day) by a pair of losers. They said "give us your money", and I told them I didn't have any (which happened to be true!). They even tried to get me to jump up and down to see if I had any coins in my pocket, but I took out my wallet and showed them how bare it was.
Ever since then, I've had a pathological hatred of thieves, burglars and muggers. It really is a good thing the way you handled that situation, because I think I'd have seen red. That said, I don't know, because I've thankfully never been in that situation since then.
Certainly I was very wound up as a pre-teen faced with that kind of thing!
Roo
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Glad you got out of the situation OK.
I've had a few similar-ish incidents over the years, threatening behaviour that ultimately didn't lead to anything, but it leaves you feeling quite shaken-up afterwards. After all, who knows if they might have produced a knife or something? And even if they didn't, it's a very alien situation for most of us to find ourselves in.
Ever since then, I've had a pathological hatred of thieves, burglars and muggers.
Don't we all. It makes me really angry that there are people who basically devote their whole lives to giving other people grief. What sort of arsehole can go to sleep at night feeling happy that they've robbed or hurt someone? It might be actual violence, it might be aggressive behaviour, mouthing off or even just intimidating body language, but why can't they just f*ck off and leave everyone else alone?
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+1 to what Philly said
I'm glad that you are alright G
Things are starting to get a bit out of hand I think
We have had two stabbings within 200 yards of us over the last 7 days
One was the high profile one where a black kid died and the other was a scuffle between some expelled school kids going to a school referral unit round the corner, which ended up with one getting stabbed in the head and being rushed off to hospital.
The weird thing for us here is that South Croydon is typically a sleepy little place apart from having lots of restaurants.
It has always been pretty middle class and white and I'd have to say that all the trouble that we have comes visiting.
My young colleague had his best mate mugged the night before after leaving his house - he lives in Tulse Hill- not far from Brixton so I find myself less surprised but still concerned.
It is like all the stupid teenagers are responding to the concerns about knife crime by getting a knife and going out to get some action before the long arm of the law gets too heavy in retaliation.
I bet the younger guys on here are sick of these types either at school or college or even being regarded as being in the same social grouping as them
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I am glad you are OK -the vermin that infest our streets are tiresome.Trouble is, as you alluded to, they can have weapons and things can turn deadly in a blink. I hope you managed to find some sleep.
cheers guys! i didn't sleep too much in the end, was very wound up. one thing which i didn't notice last night is that i have a bruise in my ribs where one of them punched me. last night it seemed like the lamest punch ever, a bit like a wet paper bag, didn't even think about it too much. obviously i was more tipsy than i thought. the situation was humourous in alot of ways, and i'll be choosing to remember that side of the story for the future. talking to my mate on the phone afterwards we fancied our chances against them, but you never know if their big talk about knives was actually true (i suspect not in this case) and a hospital is a place to be avoided.
it is tiresome, and sadly seems to be becoming more common, i'm just angry they feel the need to do that sort of thing. i remember a story on here a few months ago where some was actually mugged for real... and not to forget all the recent posts on here about equipment theft.
and this with the credit crunch, food crisis, hospital superbugs... i'm a usually optimistic person, up for a party, but its a fairly depressing country we live in at the moment.
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I bet the younger guys on here are sick of these types either at school or college or even being regarded as being in the same social grouping as them
Good point, I'd be interested to know what the younger chaps think. I have to admit it's hard for me not to lump all young people in the same bracket, even though I know it's not true. :(
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Glad to hear they didn't "slice you up"...and also didn't realise roo used to be in Hull
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+1 to what Philly said
I'm glad that you are alright G
Things are starting to get a bit out of hand I think
We have had two stabbings within 200 yards of us over the last 7 days
One was the high profile one where a black kid died and the other was a scuffle between some expelled school kids going to a school referral unit round the corner, which ended up with one getting stabbed in the head and being rushed off to hospital.
The weird thing for us here is that South Croydon is typically a sleepy little place apart from having lots of restaurants.
It has always been pretty middle class and white and I'd have to say that all the trouble that we have comes visiting.
My young colleague had his best mate mugged the night before after leaving his house - he lives in Tulse Hill- not far from Brixton so I find myself less surprised but still concerned.
It is like all the stupid teenagers are responding to the concerns about knife crime by getting a knife and going out to get some action before the long arm of the law gets too heavy in retaliation.
I bet the younger guys on here are sick of these types either at school or college or even being regarded as being in the same social grouping as them
+1, bloody hell, my school has just got huge groups of chavs that sit around school, don't go to lessons, and just mouth off anyone that walks past. It's $%&#ing ridiculous.
I just walk past them laughing my head off with the simple knowledge, that as I get good qualifications, a good job and make a life for myself, these tw@ts are gunna end up sweeping my streets or locked up.
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It is really crazy back there now. Going into grandad mode, I remember in the early 80's you could walk from the city to the west end in the middle of the night by yourself with no problems (I know because I've done it a couple of times), but now it is asking for trouble. I have a friend who was 'gay bashed' about 6 months ago near Piccadilly Circus on her way home (she is a bartender). I notice the difference every time I am back. It used to be that crime in the UK was way less than over in the States, but now it seems that there is more random violent crime there (and in other areas of Europe), than there is here. Short of bringing back conscription and having an old time trench war to cull the herd, I'm not sure what the solution is. I did read that we now have a generation where the kids run the parents, and unfortunately I think that all the liberalism and cutting down on discipline for kids didn't help. If the teachers can't keep order in the classroom, then after that there will be problems in life for everyone, since most jobs have a hierarchy and orders that need to be followed. So my mantra is bring back corporal punishment and let the teachers run the classes without worrying about being sued (yes I know some will abuse the power, but I think that is less of an issue than the problems we have now).
Long rant over.
Glad you are OK G. and I think that you need to get out for a drink again soon to recover from the experience!!
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+1 to what Philly said
I'm glad that you are alright G
Things are starting to get a bit out of hand I think
We have had two stabbings within 200 yards of us over the last 7 days
One was the high profile one where a black kid died and the other was a scuffle between some expelled school kids going to a school referral unit round the corner, which ended up with one getting stabbed in the head and being rushed off to hospital.
The weird thing for us here is that South Croydon is typically a sleepy little place apart from having lots of restaurants.
It has always been pretty middle class and white and I'd have to say that all the trouble that we have comes visiting.
My young colleague had his best mate mugged the night before after leaving his house - he lives in Tulse Hill- not far from Brixton so I find myself less surprised but still concerned.
It is like all the stupid teenagers are responding to the concerns about knife crime by getting a knife and going out to get some action before the long arm of the law gets too heavy in retaliation.
I bet the younger guys on here are sick of these types either at school or college or even being regarded as being in the same social grouping as them
+1, bloody hell, my school has just got huge groups of chavs that sit around school, don't go to lessons, and just mouth off anyone that walks past. It's $%&#ing ridiculous.
I just walk past them laughing my head off with the simple knowledge, that as I get good qualifications, a good job and make a life for myself, these tw@ts are gunna end up sweeping my streets or locked up.
+1, In the end they are the losers. Some chavs in school were pushing their 'friend' into me saying "oh go see your mosher friend" so I just flipped and nailed this kid into a wall and he banged his head and cried :lol:
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I would imagine that the young people on this forum are as repelled by these people who commit these crimes as the rest of us are. I just think that I would think twice about retaliation becuase of the propensity to carry knives. Probably like others hear I have had encounters -Like Roo I was 12 when I had my first and I ended up ashamed and humiliated even though the two who carried out the crime were both at least 16 and I stood no chance.My Dad was the sort of person who would say that you should stick up for yourself and fight back but even he now errs on the side of caution and says that no mobile phone or money is worth getting stabbed for.The younger members of my family are as appalled by this as we are -my eldest son was attacked on the way home from work and beaten up by a gang of 8 local kids.He felt humilated as they were all younger than him but not may could take on those odds when attacked from behind. Indeed it was the even that made him decide to emigrate as it was not the first time he'd seen it so now thanks to that scum, I don't get to see him very much. I think the miost hopeless thing of all though is that we are powerless to stop them.In our case the police were useless- a quick response would have enabled them to apprehend those responsible but they didn't make it and in spite of our knowing the identity they said that there was not enough evidence.
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Sorry to hear this happened mate, but I'm glad you managed to avoid any serious trouble. I must admit that the increase in violence in the UK in the last 2 or 3 years has me seriously questioning whether I want to move back or not. :(
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It happens all the time, i don't like walking back from the pub on my own at the early hours of the morning because you never know what will happen. TBH, i wouldn't care that much if i knew they didn't have a knife (or even a gun) but i feel like if i fight back it is more likely that they will shank me up because they can't handle people fighting back, if im with my mates and someone starts something we won't back down we will take them on and usually they just $%&# off. But the knife stuff bugs me.
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+1 glad to hear you weren't seriously hurt. It's coming to something when you can't walk around at night without having to consider anyone walking on the same side of the street as a potential threat.
Something similar happened to me last month; heading home from my brother's house at midnight, two young chavs started following me asking for cigarettes etc. It was fairly obvious what was about to go down, but there were no real exit routes for me once they started keeping pace with me, so I waited until we were walking past a large grassy area and stepped from the pavement onto the grass to reduce the likelihood of getting a concussion when they attacked me.
One chav produced a glass bottle and demanded money and phone etc, and the other tried to grab my backpack; as he did, the first raised the bottle, so I stepped in as close to him as I could to reduce his swing length, and tilted my head down to protect my face. The bottle hit me just over the hairline and cracked rather than smashing, so I got a cut about an inch long - it bled a lot but didn't go deep and at the time I barely even felt it due to adrenaline. After that there was a short brawl (40 seconds at most) and then they ran off, leaving me in possession of my bag, wallet and phone, but drenched in blood from head to toe and feeling rather unamused by the whole performance. Some dude walking down to town saw me and called an ambulance, the police were there in under a minute and by 4am I was back home and laughing about it online with my friends.
The worst part of the night was how boring it is to sit in A&E waiting to be seen, especially when you look like something out of Hellraiser. Two days later I was bombing down a street on my skateboard and hit a crisp packet, resulting in some road rash that hurt a hell of a lot more than being glassed. :D
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glad to hear you're ok, it'd be no fun getting mugged.
i disagree vehemently with bringing back corporal punishment, i was scared enough of some of our teachers without their being able to cane us (and i was one of the good kids). sufficient numbers of teachers seemed to enjoy what power they had without giving them more... at the end of the day stricter laws just end up pissing off the more law-abiding anyway, while the real "baddies" either don't care, or else are more adept in not getting caught. my parents were both teachers, so it's not like i'm biased against teachers; less suing would help, but i certainly wouldn't go so far as to allow them to cane again.
not entirely sure how to solve the issue, but a knee-jerk reactionary policy change is unlikely to fix anything, and could likely make things worse. more cops on the street would likely help. that'd cost money of course.
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There in UK you're arrested too if you give a punch or two in a under age who try to robber you?
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My dad's cousin (bouncer, 6ft 2, built like tank) got attacked by some nutter (6ft 4, built like a tank) so my dad's cousin dropped the nut on him twice (put him down like a dog) and got 3 years in prison. The guy just looked at him across the street and came at him! It's such an unfair system. So when I hit 18 I`ll be cautious.
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Cant say I've had any problems like that living in the city at uni. Mind you thats only Leicester which is apparently one of the safest cities in england or something? Worst I had is some guy drive past slowly, try to look menacing then threw an egg which missed by about a metre or so, somehow bounced off the wall and didnt even smash :lol:
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I've been mugged once, i say mugged, they made off with my hoodie which came off when i was fighting one of them lol and no blows we actually thrown just pushing around. They tried to grab my phone and all that but i said no $%&# off you can't have it. My mates were also getting attempted mugged but they didn't get anything off them either so they completely failed. No damage done whatsoever, or stolen apart from the hoodie by accident. But when i think back on it they could easily have had a knife and things could have gone so much worse. The worst part was i knew one of the guys with the people who were trying to mug us, plus he is hench and could have taken them all on, but he sort of ignored that he knew us because he didn't want to damage his rep by helping us out. :x
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My dad's cousin (bouncer, 6ft 2, built like tank) got attacked by some nutter (6ft 4, built like a tank) so my dad's cousin dropped the nut on him twice (put him down like a dog) and got 3 years in prison. The guy just looked at him across the street and came at him! It's such an unfair system. So when I hit 18 I`ll be cautious.
How bad did he beaten the guy??? :o
I'm 6ft tall, but there in England this measures look absolutely normal as well as be built like tank...
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I could really rant here, but will try not to
gwEm, atleast you are alright, a bit worrying that you pushed him so far as saying to slice you though.
I think its all these chavs who think they can all be pro footballers, so don't get jobs / qualifications that cause a lot of the issues.
I am also in one of the safer locations, and a few years ago walked back 8 miles from the train station after a gig in the middle of the night, my mate turned down a lift out of principle though. long walk, but fine.
Next week someone was stabbed 500yds away from the railway station.
Gypsies are an issue around here and present similar issues, but CAN'T be charged as they have no permanenet address: get away with everything. set fire to a field of wheat a few weeks ago. will have cost £200 and the fire engine soaked the field.
People $%&#ing piss me off at times. No, I do not associate myself with these kind of people.
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Glad to hear you're alright gwEm.
Seeing as i'm a (semi)young person on this forum, i thought i'd give a small story.
When i was in school, there was a guy who had pissed me off since primary school up to 4th year (when he left). He was a real loser, and although he never physically harmed me, once he left me and my mates saw him doing community service (not sure what for) so decided to shout a few sly comments his way. That was a good feeling.
Another one that i've just remembered was when a little ned who thought he was a hard man, tried shouting racist remarks at a lad who was half black (or something like that, i forget exactly) and a year above him. The guy then grabbed him by his shirt, lifted him up and smacked him repeatidly against a window, then he erupted in tears.
Not that i condone anyone do either of these, because of knife crime, but it shows that these people generally are cowards, and will (hopefully) get their just desserts.
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My dad's cousin (bouncer, 6ft 2, built like tank) got attacked by some nutter (6ft 4, built like a tank) so my dad's cousin dropped the nut on him twice (put him down like a dog) and got 3 years in prison. The guy just looked at him across the street and came at him! It's such an unfair system. So when I hit 18 I`ll be cautious.
How bad did he beaten the guy??? :o
I'm 6ft tall, but there in England this measures look absolutely normal as well as be built like tank...
Dropped the nut on him twice to stop continued attacks (self defence)
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My dad's cousin (bouncer, 6ft 2, built like tank) got attacked by some nutter (6ft 4, built like a tank) so my dad's cousin dropped the nut on him twice (put him down like a dog) and got 3 years in prison. The guy just looked at him across the street and came at him! It's such an unfair system. So when I hit 18 I`ll be cautious.
How bad did he beaten the guy??? :o
I'm 6ft tall, but there in England this measures look absolutely normal as well as be built like tank...
Dropped the nut on him twice to stop continued attacks (self defence)
Just to translate for Fernando - "dropped the nut" I assume means head-butted.
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All these stories do make me very depressed. I'm very glad I don't go out at all these days to pubs/clubs etc, except for gigs, and I always travel straight there and back in my car. That way, I do seem to be isolated from the violence.
I don't really have any useful comments to make, but the whole thing does make me very worried for my children, and their generation. :(
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I'm 26 and the people who mostly do this are not that much younger than me.
I too could go off on a massive rant about this because I feel very strongly about knife crime and other "bully" type crimes as a whole. But I will keep this short and sweet otherwise I'll be here for hours, lol.
I'm really glad you kept your head and you weren't hurt dude, that really is the main thing and it sounds like you handled the situation with a level of maturity that these c**ts can only dream of.
As I say, this is a subject close to my heart. I really hope this year and next year I can get my band well known on the gig circuit and do a lot of all ages shows because some of my songs are about fighting this kind of thing and trying to instil a sense of honour and respect among the younger generations. So hopefully I'll be setting up a lot of all-day all ages shows with the aim of highlighting these issues and getting it out there among the kids that, no, it's NOT cool.
Problems like this are not solved by sending them off to juvenile units or giving out Asbo's, it's about changing the way these people think. And lord knows, no politician or Police liaison is going to get through to these kids. It's up to musicians to use their influence amongst these kids to send out the right messages.
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Just to translate for Fernando - "dropped the nut" I assume means head-butted.
Oh thank you!
That "Zidane" attack...
And yes Ham, I see no way things get better, but worse... That's one of the reasons that I don't want to have kids...
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Just to translate for Fernando - "dropped the nut" I assume means head-butted.
i had no idea what it meant either. :lol:
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England sounds like a dodgy place! Says the Glaswegian... I've had no issues walking about the city centre at the weekend, usually with a guitar and amp with me. Lived very close to the city centre, and sandwiched between the Gorbals and Govanhill for a year and a half now, and not a spot of bother. Oh and I teach, not a bit of bother and I'm very against bringing back the cain/belt. That's not the answer.
Though saying that I don't really feel safe when walking about the suburbs of Birmingham when visiting my girlfriend's relatives. Bloody english louts...
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Sorry I meant head butt I just always use other terms :P
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there are many things not right about the world we live in. i firmly believe it all comes from greed. call me naive, but maybe one day we can live in unity.
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I'm sorry, I can't believe this anymore :(
Keep trying to live my life the better I can, but always found the mother-f***** on my way :?
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the way I see it, these losers who have a go have a false sense of self esteem and have no self worth and so find identity and meaning by putting others down, lowering your value to increase there own (if I'm wording this a bit weird it's because I read a lot of rubbish)
now if only they'd stop fecking breeding!!! as it's messing up the scum to decent people ratio because of amount of kids they have
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the way I see it, these losers who have a go have a false sense of self esteem and have no self worth and so find identity and meaning by putting others down, lowering your value to increase there own (if I'm wording this a bit weird it's because I read a lot of rubbish)
now if only they'd stop fecking breeding!!! as it's messing up the scum to decent people ratio because of amount of kids they have
It's sad, but I think there is some truth in what you say JDC
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Yes the scum to decent people ratio does seem to be shifting. I have one living over the road and the offspring are entering scumhood well and truly-where there was one, there are now 4.
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Glad to hear you are OK after that.
Having been on the wrong end of the worlds shite kickers, I can say that you "probably" did the right thing when you told him to "slice you" (or something similar) as it
1: confuses them
2: gives them the impression that you are much more capable than they thought.
There has been research done on this over the years and they usually decide to find an easier victim rather than pushing it.
I won't go into the random attacks I have suffered (it's definately safer in Belfast than London) or the attacks and attempted muggings both my kids have received in so called 'safe' areas
One thing I will say is that sometimes the police are as much use as balls to a monk, as my daughter got verbally abused and manhandled by a police officer on Friday night.
Yet the same officer 5 minutes earler was happily passing the time of day with a 16 year old who was swigging buckfast and swearing at passing shoppers.
Sometimes it's too much bother to do anything with the trouble makers but not too much trouble to hassle the normal people.
Our town centre (and shopping mall) has attempted to ban anybody in 'skater' style clothing (or with long hair), yet the chavs who seem to do all the shop lifting and leave the smell of cheap dope hanging in the air are not taken to task.
Grrr end of rant.
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Oh and I teach, not a bit of bother and I'm very against bringing back the cain/belt. That's not the answer.
steady on now, no-one's talking about killing! :lol:(a) Sometimes it's too much bother to do anything with the trouble makers but not too much trouble to hassle the normal people.
(b) Our town centre (and shopping mall) has attempted to ban anybody in 'skater' style clothing (or with long hair), yet the chavs who seem to do all the shop lifting and leave the smell of cheap dope hanging in the air are not taken to task.
Grrr end of rant.
(a) agreed wholeheartedly. that's also why i'm against these retarded targets that brown and co. like to bring in. bring in targets that they have to catch a certain amount of criminals, and they just go after the easy targets rather than the difficult ones. not to mention, it's not like you can predict exactly how many crimes are going to be committed.
(b) wow, i hadn't heard that, that's ridiculous. I have long-ish hair, what are they going to do, ban me? are they going to ban it on girls too?
:? :x
any time i've seen skaters there, they haven't been doing any harm from what i've seen. i certainly haven't felt intimidated, as you certainly sometimes do with people who aren't dressed as skaters.
EDIT: the other thing i don't like is that often rules which are brought in to deal with a certain special circumstance are then in widespread use before long, once the public has got used to it and learns to tolerate it. for example, the "no liquid in bottles" rule (because of terrorism) is now frequently used by businesses like cinemas and clubs, as they want you to buy their drinks. that definitely helps us fight terrorism... :x
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Glad to hear you're ok Gwem. sounds like there were a bunch of pricks, but you were'nt to know that at the time.
I always thought that this sort of thing became more widespread when corperal punishment was abolished. It was the year after I left school in 1983, even at that age I thought it was a bad idea. Anything else thats been tried obviously isn't working.