Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: kellar on September 27, 2008, 10:26:38 AM
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So I am in the market for a new LP (preferably). Looking for anything in the 500-700 euro range. I play mostly blues and rock. I was looking at this for 699 euros.
http://www.thomann.de/de/esp_ltd_ec400vf_tsb.htm
I don't know much about ESP but that guitar is sexy. Plus Earvana compensated nut and the SH-1 and JB humbucker combo that I figure I could sell on ebay as an advance towards some BKP's!
Of course, I am open to all other suggestions in that price range. I have about a month to look around and debate it over. What do you guys think? Other suggestions?
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another good option for anew guitar is tokai... but the 400 series LTDs are pretty nice. they arnt exactly the same as a normal LP tho, they are a more modern take on an LP. if you want a more accurate copy of a gibson go tokai
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what about this?
http://www.thomann.de/de/prs_se_single_cut_trem_tsb.htm
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I do like the PRS but now you have me going above my limit. :lol:
Tokai's are nice guitars, but I find myself wanting something slightly different this time around. That is not to say that if the right Tokai comes around, that I wouldn't jump at it.
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Looking at that PRS again, I really don't like the position of the toggle switch. It seems so far away. I imagine it makes wiring it up a bit easier though.
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O god, that guitar is GORGEOUS! Then again, i do have a fetish for LP types with tobacco bursts. I want it!
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I agree with you Opprobrium. I think it is spectacular. I was in Thomann last week and thought that the photo didn't do it any justice. The finish was absolutely beautiful. I want it.
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Dude I have got to say I have played that guitar. If its the one with JB in the bridge, and even with Seymour duncans in it it sounded hot. It is truly a good guitar. One thing worth mentioning about it is that it has really good higher fret access. Different than normal Les Pauls. Id go white but seems like you like that finish. Put some BareKnuckles in it and you will love that thing for life. It is a sturdy instrument that will last you a very long time. Or should at least
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Yeah Mikey, she is a beauty. I have a thing for Tobacco Burst LP's, I have wanted one for sometime.
It does have a SH-1 in the neck and SH-4 in the bridge. The ESP's, like stated above are bit of a more modern approach to the LP so they allow for better access to the upper frets.
Plus, I really like the specs. Earvana nut, grover tuners, SD pickup set that I will be able to leverage for a pair of BKP's.
I am starting to break out into a cold sweat. :lol:
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Well Praise the Lord brother and go for it. You want to knock Cold Sweats into them?
Its hilarious how in this forum most of us swear by Bare Knuckles. We talk about other high end pickups like they are plastic or something. Ha
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I swear by ESP Les Pauls. Mostly because I require a guitar have 24 frets, so it's one of the few ways I can get a shortscale singlecut and still have my 2 octaves to play around in.
I'd say pick one up in the flavor you like, and I second the idea of cold sweats in an Eclipse. That combination is just too raunchy to pass up.
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OMG!
Purple!!!
http://www.espguitars.com/news/news.html
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Its hilarious how in this forum most of us swear by Bare Knuckles. We talk about other high end pickups like they are plastic or something. Ha
That does seem to be the general consensus :lol:
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I literally had to turn my computer off to keep myself from looking at the EC-400 Tobacco burst. I won't have the funds until the end of October and to be frank it is killing me already. It is just a sexy guitar.
I am already thinking about the pickups. I had an SH-1 and SH-4 combo earlier and hated it. The SH-1 was ok but the SH-4 just wasn't my thing. I am a blues and classic rock player and almost always wind up going the low wound vintage route. But, this guitar has me thinking crazy. I have been thinking Black Dogs, Cold Sweat's, or Nailbombs.
Oh God! Someone stop the madness! :o
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I am a blues and classic rock player and almost always wind up going the low wound vintage route ... I have been thinking Black Dogs, Cold Sweat's, or Nailbombs.
That's the same sort of thing happening to me - have you tried Mississipi Queens? I can't remember, and they're not in your sig...
Oh God! Someone stop the madness! :o
Can't help at all there :lol:
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Oh God, Mississippi Queens! An option that I haven't even considered. You do realize that you have opened Pandora's Box! :lol:
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:lol: glad to be of service... :lol:
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Does anyone around here have an ESP LTD EC-400? I would certainly love to hear some reviews.
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Debating on if I buy the 400 Series or the 1000 Series.
1000 Series +'s- Locking tuners, locking stop and tail piece, straplocks, 24 frets compared to 22 on the 400.
1000 Series -'s- significantly more expensive, plus (and this is a big one) no Tobacco burst finish! I have only seen the 400 in Tobacco burst.
What would you do?
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Well, like I said, 24 frets is mandatory to me. I can maybe understand people occasionally settling for 22 frets in a guitar they really like, but I can't understand the people who prefer less frets. If you don't want to touch the 24th fret, don't. It's not like it's hurting you by being there.
So yeah, I'd do the 1000 series. At least they have the sunburst one, so you can still get a natural finish, and it has passive pickups so you don't end up ripping out active electronics to inevitably put in BKP's.
Not to further confuse you, but I have an Epiphone Les Paul Prophecy GX. I love it. It even has my favorite pickups standard! And it's 24 frets, Gibson scale, with nice tuning machines and a fast neck. Who would have thought such innovation could ever come out of Gibson or Epiphone? Anyway, I scooped one up before they invariably discontinue them to go back to catering to vintage types who prefer less of every innovation.
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=292&CollectionID=6
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Well, like I said, 24 frets is mandatory to me. I can maybe understand people occasionally settling for 22 frets in a guitar they really like, but I can't understand the people who prefer less frets. If you don't want to touch the 24th fret, don't. It's not like it's hurting you by being there.
Some people prefer 22 frets because of the neck pickup placement. A 24 fret guitar pushes the neck pickup towards the bridge which changes the sound you get out of it. Basically it's just an excuse to have more guitars than you need. (guilty :oops:)
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I can't really say that I prefer 22 frets over 24 (or vice versa). I guess I never really thought about it. Then again, I have never owned a guitar with 24 frets and very rarely play that high up anyway. I do like the sunburst finish on the 1000 but I have been deadset on getting a tobaccoburst LP for quite some time. I am taking a trip to Thomann tomorrow, hopefully they have both in stock so that I can give them a whirl.
I have played the Epi Prophecy GX and have to say I really liked it. Unfortunately, it is very similar to the Wine Red Epi LP that I have right now and I want something a bit different.
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So I drove around to every music store in the area today to try out an ESP EC-400. I was hoping to find one in Tobacco burst as well as I am very curious to see how nice the finish is. I was sorely disappointed.
NOBODY HAS THE GUITAR IN STOCK!
Not only that, but in typical German customer service fashion (sorry if any Germans are reading- it's not a rant on you), I couldn't even get anyone to order one for me to try out. Unbelievable! I was utterly pissed off. Where I come from, most stores go out of their way to get one in stock for you. Here, they want to know if you are going to buy it before they bring it in. Are they serious? How can I tell them I want to buy it if I haven't even tried it! I'm confused.
Anyway, now it looks like I may have to take a long trip out to Thomann. Either that or order it. But before I do either, has anyway tried one of these out. I am specifically interested in the EC-400 Tobacco burst. That is the one I am looking at. How is the finish? Is the neck comfy?
I did try out the EC-256 and lower (I believe that was the model number) and they were along the same lines as the Epi LP's. Not bad, but not great. Of course, that is a much lower price bracket. It's kind of what I expected.
Anyway, can someone help me here?
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Well, like I said, 24 frets is mandatory to me. I can maybe understand people occasionally settling for 22 frets in a guitar they really like, but I can't understand the people who prefer less frets. If you don't want to touch the 24th fret, don't. It's not like it's hurting you by being there.
Some people prefer 22 frets because of the neck pickup placement. A 24 fret guitar pushes the neck pickup towards the bridge which changes the sound you get out of it. Basically it's just an excuse to have more guitars than you need. (guilty :oops:)
What is this neck pickup of which you speak?!
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You wouldn't go for a guitar cause of the finish? MY GOD!
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You wouldn't go for a guitar cause of the finish? MY GOD!
Utterly pathetic isn't it! :lol:
Call me crazy.
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You wouldn't go for a guitar cause of the finish? MY GOD!
Utterly pathetic isn't it! :lol:
Call me crazy.
You are crazy. :P
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Well man I feel your pain I understand the guitar finish quandary. Anyway man I am sure the EC 1000 is good but you know 24 frets is not so necessary unless you are a major shredder, and even most of them opt for 22 frets. I prefer 22 myself and I find 24 unnecessary. Dude guitar stores in the states are way way worse. They are so hard sell, and they never talk bad about their products. I have only found one store in all of Texas that was worth walking into, and even then I am thinking I made some bad purchases. Be careful, and take your time. Remember at least you have a guitar to play, and your good at it.
P.S. I thought you were a German dude this whole time?
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I like those LTDs a lot. Saw one in Denmark St the other day, and it really looked beautiful - didn't try it though. I think it was in Rockers.
I'm on the same quest. LPish, 24.whatever scale, TOM bridge.
I think that the LTD has to be very high on the list. There are various Ibanez and Yamahas out there that might suit too.
Mark.
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I can't really say that I prefer 22 frets over 24 (or vice versa). I guess I never really thought about it. Then again, I have never owned a guitar with 24 frets and very rarely play that high up anyway. ...........
To me it's not just about whether I play up there that often or not, it's about the fret board making sense visually. With a 2 octave neck I don't get lost above the 12th fret like I did with my first electric (LP copy) cos I know the fretboard ends in a sensible place. 22 I can live with, tone short of an octave, but 21???
WTF??
Obviously designed by a non-musician. Not saying everyone should have 24, just makes sense to me and how I play.
Loved Scott Ian's custom Tele he had in the 90's that had only 12 frets, can't seem to find pics tho. :(
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I can't really say that I prefer 22 frets over 24 (or vice versa). I guess I never really thought about it. Then again, I have never owned a guitar with 24 frets and very rarely play that high up anyway. ...........
To me it's not just about whether I play up there that often or not, it's about the fret board making sense visually. With a 2 octave neck I don't get lost above the 12th fret like I did with my first electric (LP copy) cos I know the fretboard ends in a sensible place. 22 I can live with, tone short of an octave, but 21???
WTF??
Obviously designed by a non-musician. Not saying everyone should have 24, just makes sense to me and how I play.
Loved Scott Ian's custom Tele he had in the 90's that had only 12 frets, can't seem to find pics tho. :(
+1, even if you don't use it, it just looks right, and psychologically is alot more comfortable to play around the 12th fret.
The LTD 1000 series is alot better than the 400. I've tried all of the 400 and 1000 series, and though they're both great, the 1000 series, are imo, £1000+ quality instruments. The H1000 Deluxe is not far from my Horizon. It's not quite as nice, but damn close.
Though the 400 are good, imo, its deffo worth paying the extra for an 1000.
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Thanks for the info guys! I have looked at the 1000 series, they are very nice but the finishes put me off. There was one in the series with a decent finish (I believe it was Sunburst- can't remember), but other than that they are all solid colors.
I have to say I am quite disgruntled after my latest experience. I have lost interest in buying anything right now. It doesn't help that I have watched several EC-1000's go on ebay.com for about the same price as as the EC-400's go for here. I would just buy one, but VAT fees plus shipping plus the hazard of shipping it so far has put me off. Oh well. Maybe I will come across something at some point.
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Thanks for the info guys! I have looked at the 1000 series, they are very nice but the finishes put me off. There was one in the series with a decent finish (I believe it was Sunburst- can't remember), but other than that they are all solid colors.
I have to say I am quite disgruntled after my latest experience. I have lost interest in buying anything right now. It doesn't help that I have watched several EC-1000's go on ebay.com for about the same price as as the EC-400's go for here. I would just buy one, but VAT fees plus shipping plus the hazard of shipping it so far has put me off. Oh well. Maybe I will come across something at some point.
The vintage black Eclipses are absolutely GORGEOUS.
(http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/large/elec/esp_ec1000_black.jpg)
And the LTD 1000s come in trans finishes on quilt/flame maple tops aswell, I thought?
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That is a beautiful guitar! I believe the 1000's come in transparent finishes. The only traditional finish is a Sunburst, which actually looks quite nice.