Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: varkunus on October 04, 2008, 08:28:09 PM
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Hello there I played a ashdown fallen angel at my music colllege today an absolutely love the sound, just what I want. So it is now my aim to buy an ashdown fallen angel 212 combo. But I am aware they dont crop up often since they are discontinued, but I am aware ashdown got took over by Hayden (well at least sold their distribution rights to them) and was wondering about buying a Hayden. Now the one that looks most similar is the peacemaker series. So would this be exactly the same as the ashdown besides the digital effects? Like will all the distortion be the same, as well as the reverb cause although I think its digital I really liked the verb sound. Anyway if anyone knows ....
Firstly where I can get a fallen angel... like refurbishment sites/maybe a user on here is selling one or something
Secondly... is the Hayden peacemaker 60w combo the same
Thirdly.... Does anyone know any faults with these amps? Like the ashdowns got pretty good harmony central reviews for reliability where as the haydens didnt, although they are supposedly hand wired.
Fourthly... is this a good buy? http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product.asp?id=1940 or would I be better of with the 50w. I am tempted by the hundred because it will have more headroom, be tighter due to higher wattage and has 212s not 112.
Anyway hope you can help UG didnt seem to be even replying so hope you guys can help me a bit more - it shouldnt be to hard!!!!
Thanks RIchard
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I think the peacemaker is different, but i spotted a fallen angel head in PMT (professional music technology) in Leeds, give 'em a ring and see if you want.
Head + 2x12 would be a better option imo anyway, incase you wanted to move up to a 4x12!
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but a 412 is to impracticable for me a 212 maybe. How much is it advertised for and will they post?
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is this a good buy? http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product.asp?id=1940 or would I be better of with the 50w. I am tempted by the hundred because it will have more headroom, be tighter due to higher wattage and has 212s not 112.
the amp you've linked to concerns me slightly - I'm curious to know how they're getting 60w from a pair of EL34s in class A (impossible imo). a pair of EL34s in class A is more likely to give around 35w. still a good deal though, however I would personally stay away from any amp with built-in digital effects.
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also how is the peacemaker different
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oops didnt see ur post. And I obviously wouldnt buy it cause of digital effects, but they are a added bonus I suppose. And the verb sounded good. Also does that PMT post or pickup only..? And have you got MSN or something so I could talk to you more easily about it.
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look this looks good, a little pricey without a cab, but good http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop/flypage/product_id/32073/r/base
thats only second hand fallen angel i can find! Are you sure the peacemaker 60 is different, I mean the knobs all look the same, as does wattage etc
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so annoying seriously I NEED a 212 fallen angel, unless the peacemaker is the same then I can buy that! But its really annoying me cause I for once know the amp I want, just cant find the bugga!!! Like i said I found a head http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop/flypage/product_id/32073/r/base but its refurbed and without a cab. Whats the cheapest I could pick a cab up for
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bump please dont let this thread die and yes I am desperate!
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Don't worry man, it has been 25 mins since your last post, we aint gonna lose this one!!
You may have to wait for one to appear on evilbay
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There are some on in AUS but there close to £600 plus postage if they post. Do 212 combos come up alot on bay..? And if so how much?
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Have you tried emailing Hayden and asking them if it's the same or not? that's the first point of all.
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I would assume that the peacemaker is identical to the amp of the same name manufactured by Ashdown with the same components and just a rebranding and a change from black tolex to cream (they also have the same VU meter installation which makes them easy to spot).
The peacemaker would also not be hand-wired as it is a large scale production model and so would only be cost effective with PCB mounting.
In short it is neither the Fallen Angel, nor handwired (that niche market being aimed at with the handwired custom shop part of the operation).
Also there are numerous different versions of the Fallen Angel so one should always try before one buys.
1: Is valve powered
2: Is the same but with a different output section
3: Has a solid state power amp section.
These differences in the designs may have been due to the reliability issues many people found with the amps which has been attributed to the biasing necessary to get the characteristic distortion sound of that particular amp architecture.
I found all this miscellaneous information researching the company before I bought my Hayden cab as they were an unknown brand to me and the price seemed to be ever so slightly too cheap from the retailer (it did seem to actually be a quality product when I received it so I was quite chuffed).
Hayden are currently working on a 'new' set of amp designs and I would expect that the fallen angel might become a new part of the product lineup as it was one of Ashdown's most popular amplifiers.
The peacemaker is more aimed at classic rock players, I gather.
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ahh so the peacemaker isnt a fallen angel. So my best bet is to keep looking for a ashdown second hand or email hayden and ask them when this new range of amps will be released and will they have a FA type amp. Thanks for your help.
Anyway what did you think of the hayden cab? And say my only option once I have a response from hayden is the old ashdown fallen angels. If I say brought that head, what would be the cheapest I could get a 212 cab for. Would have to be something pretty cheap as I would be pretty broke
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I've got one of the original english made Fallen Angel FA60 2X12 combos, and I love it :) Tons of tone, masses of gain, and above all it doesn't sound like a Mesa (although TBF I haven't heard the Stilletto, which may be closer).
The Peacemaker is more of a souped up Marshall type.
Your best bet is probably to wait for an original to come up on ebay, but it probably won't be cheap. They were £450 new and they were only made for a couple of years, so availability is severely limited.
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I was really pleased with it but I haven't blasted it out at full volume or unscrewed the back to investigate the construction.
I would also like to mention that it is my first 4X12" and so I would not be able to compare with other 4X12" cabs.
It does, however, sound much fuller and more 3D than my Orange 1X12" that I have in my bedroom for practice.
What struck me was the nice chime it added to the clean sounds and the extra depth and response with the distortion.
I was using my Tiny Terror through it (which I have now decided to name David Byrne for obvious reasons) in mono and the pairing with that seemed really good but as the Tiny Terror is more of a 'British' sound (it is essentially a Vox AC-15 with a modded preamp), like the peacemaker, I wouldn't be too sure that the Fallen Angel would work all that well (you might have to budget for some speakers to replace the Vintage 30s, unless you like them that is).
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Mine's got vintage 30s as stock, and I think the 4X12 did too.
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well when i can finally find one then i might stick some g12ks in. The big bassy ones maybe, although where the ashdown is already pretty bassy then i might just need some more flat EQ speakers. Anyway first I gota find one, if anyone sees on or w.e please just reply on this thread, say at local music store
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just got an email back from ashdown and apparently PMT stocks them!!!! So great news, just gota find out how much cash I need, and if they will deliver. I will keep you updated!
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is this a good buy? http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product.asp?id=1940 or would I be better of with the 50w. I am tempted by the hundred because it will have more headroom, be tighter due to higher wattage and has 212s not 112.
the amp you've linked to concerns me slightly - I'm curious to know how they're getting 60w from a pair of EL34s in class A (impossible imo). a pair of EL34s in class A is more likely to give around 35w. still a good deal though, however I would personally stay away from any amp with built-in digital effects.
I had an Ashdown "60W class A" EL34 amp in for repair. The B+ was about 540 V and both valves were drawing more than 60 mA each!! And with PCB mounted power valves! Not surprisingly this amp had a fan fitted.
Not sure I would design an amp like this......
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And one site said it ran on 6 el34s, so I dunno hey! Anyway the fan isnt audible at talking levels of playing is it? And maybe the way its biased contributes to its unique tone
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No the fan wasn't audible.
I was concerned about the plate dissipation: 540 x .60 = 32.4 Watts. Design maximum for EL34 is 25 Watts.
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Yeah ill pitch in here the peacemaker is quite a low gain marshally type sound where as the FA is just raw and all out.
THis is teh current production model of the Fallen Angel.
http://www.haydenamps.com/amplifiers/detail.asp?ID=159 (http://www.haydenamps.com/amplifiers/detail.asp?ID=159)
Ashdown changed it to having the built in effects a few years before stopping production.
Other than a second hand old ashdown from ebay this is your only chance.
However this is a solid state power section on this one.
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well a tube is obviously going to be better a shop on ebay is offering a 212 60w combo for £369 delivered they say they only have one left.
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Hi, yes. We have one left in stock. Its the FA60DSP and would be £369 delivered.
If you have any other questions please call 01226200102 or email info@pjsmusicservices.co.uk
Thanks, Richard
What you think? And anyone interested in the dsl401?
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is this a good buy? http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product.asp?id=1940 or would I be better of with the 50w. I am tempted by the hundred because it will have more headroom, be tighter due to higher wattage and has 212s not 112.
the amp you've linked to concerns me slightly - I'm curious to know how they're getting 60w from a pair of EL34s in class A (impossible imo). a pair of EL34s in class A is more likely to give around 35w. still a good deal though, however I would personally stay away from any amp with built-in digital effects.
Probably measuring peak, not RMS.
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Actually you probably can get 60 W out of a pair of EL34s at a B+ of 540 V. Probably not class A though.....
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Lol well it works, thats all the matters :D So should I go for that one combo? And as I said anyone interested in a dsl401
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I would say the DSL is a much better amp than a Chinese made Ashdown. Unless you're playing large venues without PA (and therefore need the extra wattage) I'd say you'll be making a mistake. Just get a good quality modern distortion pedal instead (hell, for that money you could get a Damage Control Demonizer) and you'll probably be better off.
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yeh but the dsl sounds really dry and lacks low end. I really did think the ashdown got a better sound especially for classic rock. But maybe i just have a strange taste in tone, but if you wana buy the dsl401, feel free im selling
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How loud have you had both amps, just out of interest?
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i have had the dsl about master volume 6, and channel maxed. I mean it gets a good sound, just the not the sound I am looking for, which the ashdown does
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ashdown-Fallen-Angel-Head-Cab-Half-Stack_W0QQitemZ170268723190QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170268723190&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
This didn't sell as reserve wasn't met
Maybe ring up the store and ask them how much they'd sell the head for
Tel Freephone : 0800 035 1147 or Tel : 01226 200102
PJS Music Services
69A High Street
Dodworth
Barnsley
South Yorks
S75 3RQ
www.pjsmusicservices.co.uk
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i emailed them and they do the 212 60w combo for 370 delivered