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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: FernandoDuarte on October 13, 2008, 03:48:25 PM
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Hey!
Just getting mad... Are you guys really thinking that Hamilton is a "fair bloke just trying to win" or is like everybody else: He is a f' nut who will throw his car on yours if it will make he wins...
I agree that Felipe Massa did exactly what I said above on the last race, but I think it was COOL... in a way of "get your own poison, f......."
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth... :twisted:
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i'm not a Hamilton fan. and i think Massa was right to show him that he won't be a soft touch that he can just cruise past anymore. Felipe was a little clumsy in that move, but i don't think he deliberately hit Hamilton, while several times Hamilton has clearly pushed other drivers off the road. How dare they be in front of him! his crazy move at the start, from way too far back, shoving his own team-mate out of the way and taking all the top four or five off the road, showed that.
looking forward to the Brazilian Grand Prix by the way. Always one of my favourites! :)
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Exactly, he don't only past the others guys, he throw them out of the road, at least... he is good but very unfair...
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he is good but very unfair...
Many competitive sportsmen (and women) have this mentality. I don't think much of him really - he comes across as arrogant. Many competitive sportsmen...... you get the picture.
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I don't think that Massa is a 'bad' guy, just competitive - I would describe the feeling is more than Ferrari gets more than their fair share of good decisions - and that is has gone on for a long time - Massa strikes me as a fair guy - not in the Schumacher style.....
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I think Massa is fair, but this race he drove very agressive... "with a knife on the teeth" as we say here in Brazil...
Yes Ian, there is many... Matarazzo is the king of them, perhaps :lol:
I think there is an edge in agressivity and unfairness... usually I walked in that edge when I was a kid... Now I would be very agressive but fair... If the opponent become unfair, them I'll be the Master of Unfairness and brake his back :twisted: :lol:
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Fernando, you know the old saying....
Muito macho, muito bobo!
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No, I don't :o Never heard before...
But quite agree... those who try to show that are really "macho" are stupid :lol:
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I forget that it was a long time ago when I was in Brazil for the first time... About 20 years!
It was the slogan for an ad on Brazilian TV to make drivers think about not driving like lunatics!
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I'm a little more than 20 years, that is why I've never heard it, but found amazing!
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I don't know what to make of Lewis sometimes. He does seem to have his moments but if you think about it, the likes of Senna and Schuey were experts at "gamesmanship" and that was perfectly alright so I would cut him some slack. Having said that, I despair at Lewis's latest accusations of Fernando hitting him deliberately. I can understand why he might say that but when he thinks he through, he will realise that Massa had far more to lose then he did. I can't say I am a Lewis fan and I think it perhaps a little early to compare him to Senna and schuey but maybe if/when he notches up a few championships it will be accepted more. Personally I prefer Raikkonen but he has had a poor year and has been a disappointment this year. I have no strong feelings either way about Fernando-he seems like a very nice guy but he has, lets remember, some appalling races this year. I think there is too much attention on the likes of Lewis and Ferrari generally (because they produce plenty of nice juicy controversy for the press). Kubica and Vettel have both been driving really well and it is good to see Glock coming through. Heidfeld has been hampered by poor qualis but has been pretty steady in races. As for British drivers, I would love to see Button get a decent car to take him where he belongs at the front of the grid. He and Rubens have had a tortuous year and both deserve better.
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:D Just to add, you mistake Fernando (me or Alonso) as Felipe Massa...
And yes, he did some ugly races as that one he "spoun" five times :roll:
This year is weird, there is not only one or two only on top, there is more, like Kubica who can win the championship... I like it...
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Yeah sorry you are quite right- I was thinking Felippe and writing Fernando- what a dummy I am. I have had a pretty tough couple of days one way or the other.
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I'm glad you guys sorted that one out - I was getting ready to ask Fernanando whether there was something he wasn't telling us :lol: ("Lewis's latest accusations of Fernando hitting him deliberately")
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Best not let my girlfriend see this thread, she might start visiting here on a daily basis if she thinks there's F1 talk about! :lol: (she's obsessed with it :?)
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I don't whether it's immaturity, arrogance or simply 'wanting it too much' but Hamilton definitely needs to improve his judgement in races.
Having said that, he had been tipped to reach F1 for what must have been about a decade before he actually made it, with press coverage most of the way, and constantly being egged on by his dad. When you finally make it, and start winning races, I imagine it's pretty difficult to keep your feet firmly on the ground.
I remember when I used to race at the same Kart meetings as him in Hoddesdon, years and years ago, and even then there were Blue Peter presenters and camera crews following him.
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I remember when I used to race at the same Kart meetings as him in Hoddesdon, years and years ago, and even then there were Blue Peter presenters and camera crews following him.
'Ello 'ello, claim to fame! Why so modest Sam, tell us about your brush with F1 superstardom! :D
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So is queeny here. She's gone off of it a bit since there's been no.Montoya. I think she really liked it when he was giving Micheal shitepacker grief.
Did I hear right, and that Ferrari were awarded an extra point as it was ruled Massa was inconvenianced when he drove into the car comming out the pits. I'm really going off F1 with all the decisions after the race. Spoils it a bit.
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I'm glad you guys sorted that one out - I was getting ready to ask Fernando whether there was something he wasn't telling us :lol: ("Lewis's latest accusations of Fernando hitting him deliberately")
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So is queeny here. She's gone off of it a bit since there's been no.Montoya. I think she really liked it when he was giving Micheal shiteeepacker grief.
Did I hear right, and that Ferrari were awarded an extra point as it was ruled Massa was inconvenianced when he drove into the car comming out the pits. I'm really going off F1 with all the decisions after the race. Spoils it a bit.
WHAT??! He got another point??!!! What @rsery is this?
Just told the missus - she's a big F1 fan as well - she's not overly impressed with this if it's true...
Don't let her hear you saying bad things about "Michael sigh" though :lol:
Anyway, Mr Hamilton, we're not convinced he's gonna prove to be "the man" yet. He's obviously good, but he seems to back himself in risk taking situations where it all "goes wrong". We feel "Michael sigh" made similar mistakes, but he learnt from them - will Mr Hamilton? When he came out after the race and said "I made a mistake..." did he actually believe that, or was he saying what the team had told him - that'll be the decider on whether he conquers the world or not...
Missus doesn't really have a favourite since "Michael sigh" retired, but has a sneaking regard for Massa. She was a massive Ferrari fan when I met her, but she doesn't like the other bloke at all, and feels that Ferrari seem to be getting an awful lot of friendly decisions over the last year or so.
Personally I find myself having a sneaking regard for Mr Alonso at the moment... (having hated him all last year :lol:)
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I remember when I used to race at the same Kart meetings as him in Hoddesdon, years and years ago, and even then there were Blue Peter presenters and camera crews following him.
'Ello 'ello, claim to fame! Why so modest Sam, tell us about your brush with F1 superstardom! :D
I thought I'd see if anyone picked up on it :wink: :lol:
Yeah I used to do a lot of novice karting in my early teens, and as he's from a nearby town to where I live, he used to frequent the same track. He was several classes and age groups above, and much, much better than me of course :lol: :oops: , but it was pretty cool anyway.
EDIT: I remember my dad coming out with a typical know-it-all comment one day: "Mark my words- he'll be in Formula 1 that lad". Oh how I laughed!!!!!! :oops:
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WHAT??! He got another point??!!! What @rsery is this?
From the french... 30 minutes after the race, the steward understand as the french made a mistake while going out of the box...
I think he tryed to close the door instead of run and make the bend, what was stupid, as Massa was coming really faster than him... from the point of view that the camera showed here, looks like the french didn't come out of the boxes in the same line as others racers....
But I can be biased, as brazilian :lol:
Anyway, to me the french was trying to "go into the flashes of cameras"... How the hell you're going to close the door to a guy trying be win the championship when you're slower than him??
EDIT: Saw the replay of this, in deed now I think Massa was stupid... he hit the guy, not the opposited...
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This man is saying everything... (my god, how many old and difficuld words theses guys of guardian write :lol:)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2008/oct/14/formulaone-lewishamilton1
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Obviously Senna and "Michael sigh" were marvellous drivers but both were well versed in gamesmanship. This attitude has prevailed with some drivers today and the results are these races where we get all kinds of stunts pulled and F1 is the poorer for it. Having said all that, there are some great drivers in the making-not just Lewis and Felipe. I tend to go for a driver regardless of nationality-he has to have skill and flair and winningis not rhe be all and end all to me. There are way too many political decisions made. I have always watched F1 but I am getting tired of all the silliness that goes on from time to time.
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I'm from the age of "one driver rulling them all" or "one car rulling them all" :lol:
How much I wish to watch races that many drivers fighting with their arms to win the race, not that thing now, each year Ferrari gets everything, next year Willians, them McLaren... boring...
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The Guardian article sums up much of why I have absolutely no interest in F1 racing
In the past the drivers concentrated on getting around the track as fast as possible in one piece. These days the cars are so safe they are perfectly happy to hit other cars.
Years ago (when it was interesting) there would have been a fair chance of killing somebody and that behavour was avoided. It also helped that the drivers where actually friends and spent time together outside of the photo opportinities.
Theres so little for the spectators to watch, thank christ that I live somewhere wheres theres a lot of motorcycle racing and there is still sportsmanship
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I kmow what you mean Rob, when you think back to the days of Graham Hill, Jim Clark, John Surtees, Jack Brabham, Mike Hawthorn there was that sportmanship and real life charisma. There is way too much money involved nowadays. I shouldn't like F1 but I just can't help myself even if I do find myself fed up with the antics that may earn the perpetrator a point or two but ultimately demeans him. Now I know that conventional wisdom has it that Senna was a genius and was brilliant- well I am not going to say he was no good and he did have an uncanny ability to get more out of a car than seemed possible but he also had that attitude whereby anything he did was fine but woe betide anyone else if they try some of his tricks. The low point for me was the times that he and Prost had their comings together-cynical stuff. That attitude has prevailed and for me I like to see anyone exhibiting that behavior fail miserably and be beaten by a driver who would not resort to such tactics-but it rarely happens.