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Title: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on October 16, 2008, 02:40:47 AM
post some of your favorite metal quotes... or if you'd like to help me out, i'm looking for a real short (4-5 words?) metal quote for a tattoo.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Antag on October 16, 2008, 07:10:43 AM
Born to Die, Out to Lunch

(a slogan painted on one of Lemmy's basses)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Will on October 16, 2008, 07:52:05 AM
Backstage is overated
Mike Inez
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: WezV on October 16, 2008, 08:23:51 AM
if the quote isnt something that has hit you as really cool and meaningful then i would think twice about getting it tattoed on you.  anyway, whats the rest of the tattoo like... or will it just be a random quote for some fancy writing?
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: AndyR on October 16, 2008, 08:39:40 AM
"you gotta have a big willy to play music like that..."

(My sound engineer in the early eighties whenever I showed him a new riff/song)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: sgmypod on October 16, 2008, 08:49:27 AM
"Everything Louder than Everyone Else" Ian Gillian (Always thought it was Lemmy as he has used it a lot)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: AndyR on October 16, 2008, 08:56:10 AM
"Everything Louder than Everyone Else" Ian Gillian (Always thought it was Lemmy as he has used it a lot)

I'm glad someone else does the same as me!! I always type that when I try to type "Gillan" :lol:

Actually I think it was Lord or Glover (or possibly Paice or Blackmore) - Gillan was just passing it on when someone else on the stage said it - but I bet they heard it somewhere else first :lol:
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: MDV on October 16, 2008, 09:37:23 AM
"None $%&#ing Heavier"

Crowbar.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Roobubba on October 16, 2008, 11:33:49 AM
I don't think I'm famous yet (read, I'm not famous yet, and probably never will be), but I did come up with "Tuning up is for pussies"...

Roo
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: sgmypod on October 16, 2008, 11:47:54 AM
I don't think I'm famous yet (read, I'm not famous yet, and probably never will be), but I did come up with "Tuning up is for pussies"..."and those who want to be in tune *L*"
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Roobubba on October 16, 2008, 12:19:45 PM
Yeah it was more a play on the act of down-tuning, but never mind eh ;)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: sgmypod on October 16, 2008, 12:21:24 PM
damn was in old man mode..*L*
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on October 16, 2008, 04:21:32 PM
if the quote isnt something that has hit you as really cool and meaningful then i would think twice about getting it tattoed on you.  anyway, whats the rest of the tattoo like... or will it just be a random quote for some fancy writing?

well, here is just one of my various designs right now, but they all have the same basic idea- guitar with a cross (i'm no artist): http://i33.tinypic.com/2i0c9dk.jpg

but i do completely agree with what you're saying... i'm not getting this until i'm positive i've got exactly what i want. what i've got written on there now though, you can never go wrong with that, good bible/prayer verse, plus a kickass iced earth song.

keep the quotes coming, there were some very good/ funny ones in here.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: WezV on October 16, 2008, 04:49:11 PM
pretty nice idea... i keep seeing people with their own names tattooed on them, it drives me mad!  thats only forgiveable if you have amnesia
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: ToneMonkey on October 16, 2008, 05:04:23 PM
Unleash the fury - Yengawi Malsteam, however the hell you spell it, being a c--k.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on October 16, 2008, 06:08:45 PM
Unleash the fury - Yengawi Malsteam, however the hell you spell it, being a c--k.

ha, that would be good. underneath have his name spelled just like that as well.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Ratrod on October 17, 2008, 12:16:29 PM
Anything by Lemmy.

Like: Is it loud enough?
and: Just in case you're at the wrong show by mistake, we are Motorhead.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: gingataff on October 17, 2008, 01:27:20 PM
Metal up your ass.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: WezV on October 17, 2008, 04:53:22 PM
this is the one on my cousins leg

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/tattoo/nathtat.jpg)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on October 17, 2008, 06:31:18 PM
thats pretty cool. on the picture i showed, i'm thinking of adding 'every doubt and every cowardice must die' at the bottom. from Iced Earth's great Dante's Inferno.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: HTH AMPS on October 20, 2008, 10:44:05 AM
how about Neil Young's immortal "its better to burn out than to fade away" ???

or, Nige's "this one goes to eleven"

or, any Chuck Norris quote (e.g. "Chuck Norris doesn't read books, he stares them down until he gets the information he wants")

or, one of the stupidest things to be uttered from a pair of lips by a work colleague... "theres no such thing as a tuna fish, it comes from dolphins and I won't eat it"

Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: gwEm on October 21, 2008, 06:27:14 PM
i do like the classics:

"Born To Lose, Live to Win" and
"Screaming for Vengeance"
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Davey on October 21, 2008, 10:59:00 PM
belly button, arrow pointing at your crotch and:
 "this one goes to eleven"
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on October 22, 2008, 01:23:27 AM
belly button, arrow pointing at your crotch and:
 "this one goes to eleven"

theres a winner!

keep the topic going, but in case anyone is wondering, on my design i've finalized what i'm putting on it: 'blessed are you' will remain at the top, while 'in fear lies regret' will be at the bottom. the first is an iced earth song/ part of the hail mary, the latter is a phrase that i made up and has meaning to me.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: HTH AMPS on October 22, 2008, 07:36:36 PM
belly button, arrow pointing at your crotch and:
 "this one goes to eleven"

theres a winner!

keep the topic going, but in case anyone is wondering, on my design i've finalized what i'm putting on it: 'blessed are you' will remain at the top, while 'in fear lies regret' will be at the bottom. the first is an iced earth song/ part of the hail mary, the latter is a phrase that i made up and has meaning to me.

I could imagine Yoda saying that  - "in fear lies regret" (is that a good or bad thing?)  :?

Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Roobubba on October 22, 2008, 08:59:48 PM
surely Yoda would say "in fear regret lies"

?

:)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on October 22, 2008, 10:05:33 PM
belly button, arrow pointing at your crotch and:
 "this one goes to eleven"

theres a winner!

keep the topic going, but in case anyone is wondering, on my design i've finalized what i'm putting on it: 'blessed are you' will remain at the top, while 'in fear lies regret' will be at the bottom. the first is an iced earth song/ part of the hail mary, the latter is a phrase that i made up and has meaning to me.

I could imagine Yoda saying that  - "in fear lies regret" (is that a good or bad thing?)  :?



to me (which is what matters), its neither a good thing nor a bad thing. its a reminder to me to not be afraid of things (or doing things). whenever you have the opportunity to do something, but you back down out of fear, you usually end up regretting or thinking of what could've been. and so, 'in fear lies regret'. whether that technically makes sense or not, i'm not too sure if i care. i know what it means to me so its a good reminder.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: broken cord on October 24, 2008, 09:05:57 PM

-Bruce Dickinson, Iron Maiden-



How would you like to bite that in that [butt], develop lock jaw and be dragged to death?
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 13, 2008, 03:52:19 AM
if the quote isnt something that has hit you as really cool and meaningful then i would think twice about getting it tattoed on you.  anyway, whats the rest of the tattoo like... or will it just be a random quote for some fancy writing?

well, here is just one of my various designs right now, but they all have the same basic idea- guitar with a cross (i'm no artist): http://i33.tinypic.com/2i0c9dk.jpg

but i do completely agree with what you're saying... i'm not getting this until i'm positive i've got exactly what i want. what i've got written on there now though, you can never go wrong with that, good bible/prayer verse, plus a kickass iced earth song.

keep the quotes coming, there were some very good/ funny ones in here.


How old are you now?  I am sure you sort of grasp the "don't do it until you know you want it" aspect, but believe me in two years you might reevaluate what everything means to you, and then this tattoo may be less than desirable.  When i was 15 i was sure i wanted a massive tattoo on my shoulder of the Altars of Madness album cover (the faces), and it would rap around from where it my arm connects to my torso down to my elbow.  I was so fvcking sure i wanted it, i thought it would be totally baddass, and i had personalized a meaning for it.  A year later i pretty much trashed the idea, and came up with another one, something that i would design myself.  Again, trashed, now i have an idea of what i might want on my back (of course, personally designed, i wouldn't settle for anything less), but who knows 1) when i will have money to facilitate the project 2) if in another 10-14 months i will be sure i want it (i am not even sure i want it now) 3) if the actual meaning and intention for doing will change, or completely die off.

Nonetheless, this quote in itself "what i've got written on there now though, you can never go wrong with that, good bible/prayer verse, plus a kickass iced earth song" suggests to me a less than certain prospect in your mind.  Two things about that too.  First of all, writing verse on your body is a lot more dangerous than a picture.  That verse can be completely devoid of meaning down the line.  Aside from the fact that i think people with bible verses and other such ecclesiastical tattoos are tools (my personal opinion), a bible verse is so fvcking loaded, that to want ONE THING written, in verse, on you for the rest of your life seems like risky business.  Maybe it has a personal meaning to you now (not that it wouldn't necessarily in the future), but down the road you will wish you put on some heavier or lighter meaning on your body instead.  The other thing is that song lyrics are, to me, even more problematic.  I don't know what "blessed are you" means to you, but it suggests to the reader an outward implication.  Two, a song lyric from any one band means that you know you will never stray from this band as long as you live, its music is your life's music (at least for me).  In your words "a kickass iced earth song" is such a premature assessment (at least to me) of what you want to put on your body.  Truly, i don't care what you do, but i am just trying to play devil's advocate here, maybe give you some perspective other people, thus far, haven't.

If you KNOW it is what you want, i would suggest this.  Wait a year; think about it; read some shite; play some music: listen to some music; and see where you stand then.  If the burning passion to have this thing done is burning more than ever, wait another 6 months, then reassess the situation.  If it has still intensified, go for it with all your heart.  This is what i would do personally, but you can take it or leave it.  It just seems like your idea for body art may need more assessment given your comments, but considering that this is the computer, i can't see your face, hear your voice and really comprehend the level of dedication you have to this idea.  If i could, i would still probably suggest the same thing.  So, again, take it or leave it.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on November 13, 2008, 04:58:23 AM
well, opprobrium, i do completely respect everything you have just said. i tend to speak very immaturely when i am excited about an idea. i in fact was wondering who you were quoting in your post, and then i went back and realized i wrote that...
the thing is, i've been contemplating the idea of a tattoo for nearly two years now (i'm 18 by the way). i never thought about it too much, but i kept thinking i wanted one, just couldn't quite think of what. the reason i was so excited about my recent design was because i finally thought of something i knew i wanted. i know this because after thinking for so long, it was the first thing i knew i wanted. as far as the 'blessed are you', that was the first idea that came to me for a tattoo. sure, i wasn't positive about it, but can you ever be completely sure about anything? the fact that its also an iced earth song is about 90% irrelevant to me, but it is nice to have that second meaning. if i ever stop liking that song or iced earth, who cares, thats not the real meaning. as far as the quote i have at the bottom 'in fear lies regret'... well, the whole time i've been thinking about a tattoo, i knew the exact meaning i wanted, i just couldn't think of words that expressed it. i kept trying to find cool song lyrics that portrayed it. then i thought of just using my own words and came up with that. i've been a very shy kid throughout most of my life so far, and haven't done much. i regret all of high school. these words remind me of that, and i can't be afraid. i need, and want, to change that. not only that, but just the tattoo in general, kind of symbolizes a new beginning for me.

now, again, i can say all that, but will i still feel the exact same way in a couple months, or years? i can't be 100%, but i believe i will. and now, i don't have a choice. i got the tattoo last thursday. am i happy with my decision? absolutely.





(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5284/84100436sa0.jpg)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 13, 2008, 06:26:29 AM
well, opprobrium, i do completely respect everything you have just said. i tend to speak very immaturely when i am excited about an idea. i in fact was wondering who you were quoting in your post, and then i went back and realized i wrote that...
the thing is, i've been contemplating the idea of a tattoo for nearly two years now (i'm 18 by the way). i never thought about it too much, but i kept thinking i wanted one, just couldn't quite think of what. the reason i was so excited about my recent design was because i finally thought of something i knew i wanted. i know this because after thinking for so long, it was the first thing i knew i wanted. as far as the 'blessed are you', that was the first idea that came to me for a tattoo. sure, i wasn't positive about it, but can you ever be completely sure about anything? the fact that its also an iced earth song is about 90% irrelevant to me, but it is nice to have that second meaning. if i ever stop liking that song or iced earth, who cares, thats not the real meaning. as far as the quote i have at the bottom 'in fear lies regret'... well, the whole time i've been thinking about a tattoo, i knew the exact meaning i wanted, i just couldn't think of words that expressed it. i kept trying to find cool song lyrics that portrayed it. then i thought of just using my own words and came up with that. i've been a very shy kid throughout most of my life so far, and haven't done much. i regret all of high school. these words remind me of that, and i can't be afraid. i need, and want, to change that. not only that, but just the tattoo in general, kind of symbolizes a new beginning for me.

now, again, i can say all that, but will i still feel the exact same way in a couple months, or years? i can't be 100%, but i believe i will. and now, i don't have a choice. i got the tattoo last thursday. am i happy with my decision? absolutely.





(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5284/84100436sa0.jpg)

Fair enough, who am i to argue?  Now, i will just speak from my perspective, concerning me - not that this concerns you specifically, because it doesn't, but its my spin.  I'm just talkin, hope you can appreciate the banter.  My other ideas for tattoos, i find now, were not grounded enough to be justified - they were based on some conception that was merely surface, despite an assigned meaning.  I am the kind of person that does not settle for anything less than 150% in everything that i attempt, attain, etc.  My belief structures are such that steadfast cannot accurately describe them, they are more than a part of me, they almost LET me live - i know that doesn't necessarily make sense, but i don't expect it to.  Therein, if i can come to a level beyond levels of understanding and impetus to do something, that shite's gonna get done good.  If i cannot assign meaning beyond the point of a cultural understanding of "meaning," in the sense that it floats with me everywhere i go, i cannot believe, i cannot give my whole self to that thing, belief, person, object.  This is how i operate, and generally i am operating at full steam on the extreme end of the human spectrum - this is as much to my misfortune as it is to my benefit.  However, for something like a tattoo, for instance, i feel the need to attain that extremity in belief.  So when i was discussing the problems, i had myself in mind as much as trying to play devils advocate.

I appreciate people who take the initiative to get a tattoo.  People like yourself who do it for such substantial reasons as you have listed are admirable, to say the least.  For me, though, i don't need a tattoo to remind me of something - i use my mind for that 8).  But in all seriousness, when i get a tattoo, because i think it will happen, it will be something of a higher order of meaning, maybe to the extent that i don't fully comprehend, transcendent, if you will.  Because if i have something on my body, i don't want it to just be a remembrance, a new beginning, a turning point, but an extension of myself, beyond myself.  This is in no way meant to demean your experience, it is just the way i go about things.

Glad you are happy with it.  It looks more or less like the drawing you provided.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: WezV on November 13, 2008, 04:52:28 PM
i get fed up of being asked what the meaning is behind my tattoo's, for me it is purely decoration not a statement of belief or a reminder of something important.  some people may think thats shallow, oh well.  For me it doesnt have to have deeper meaning than the image i want to project of myself

will i regret them, maybe... but  i will worry about that later! ;)

but i do agree with what opprobrium_9 is saying, it should not be a decision taken lightly and i would say time spent researching and speaking to tattooists is as good as time spent deciding what you want.  I trust mine to make good suggestions, steer me away from bad ideas and do a damn good job of getting the ink under my skin... the first one was completely my design, since then i have just given him themes and seen what he could come up with.  I am happy so far.  My first was at 26 though, i dread to think what i would have done at 18!!!

Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: ToneMonkey on November 13, 2008, 04:54:36 PM
I was 17 when I got my first. Wish I'd have got something bigger now, but there's always time to incorporate it into something bigger later.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on November 13, 2008, 06:24:44 PM
i understand what you're saying opprobrium. you've got a perfectly legitimate way of looking at it, and thats great. but i also understand what Wez is saying. i don't quite see anything wrong with getting something just because it looks cool, as long as it at least has something to do with something relative to you or your interests, in my opinion. i can't say i mind people i've never talked to before around campus complimenting on the tattoo.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Roobubba on November 13, 2008, 07:02:27 PM
All that matters is that you didn't get a Telecaster on there, or maybe a picture of Macca's gurning face. :)

Roo
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: WezV on November 13, 2008, 07:07:10 PM
i was going to have a tele on my other leg.... but thats ok, a lot of the  kids at school already think my arm tattoo is gay!

generally its the little chavs that tell me i should have had a bulldog or something like that :)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 13, 2008, 07:08:49 PM
All that matters is that you didn't get a Telecaster on there, or maybe a picture of Macca's gurning face. :)

Roo


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

YES.

(i actually burst out laughing when i read that - if you hadn't guessed)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Jamie on November 13, 2008, 07:10:23 PM
The first 2 tattoos i got were impulse buys (im a tw@t for impulse buying). But dont get me wrong i dont regret them but i might later on in life.The second tattoo i got it a big portrait of pinhead on my right wrist.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Roobubba on November 13, 2008, 07:20:24 PM
i was going to have a tele on my other leg.... but thats ok, a lot of the  kids at school already think my arm tattoo is gay!

generally its the little chavs that tell me i should have had a bulldog or something like that :)

Lol Wez,

SO glad you didn't do that ;) I'd have to explain to the band and everything!!
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: nfe on November 13, 2008, 07:22:12 PM
The first 2 tattoos i got were impulse buys (im a tw@t for impulse buying). But dont get me wrong i dont regret them but i might later on in life.The second tattoo i got it a big portrait of pinhead on my right wrist.

Admittedly I have a different idea of big when it comes to tattoos than most folk, but how can you fit big on your wrist? You must have the arms of an Ent! :lol:

I'm also of the school that a tattoo need not be anything more than a pretty picture, there are meanings in mine in that they all subscribe to proper tradtional Japanese bodysuit work, they way things are composed, which images can appear with which flowers and whatnot but nothing more than that. It's worth noting that I'm very involved in the UK tattoo scene and know a colossal amount of extremely heavily covered people, most of the best known UK tattooers are friends of mine and so on and I find that the overwhelming majority of heavily tattooed people share the same "pretty pictures who cares whether it means anything" point of view.

Miami Ink has a lot to answer for  :lol:
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: WezV on November 13, 2008, 07:24:04 PM
i still might!!  is it ok if its burning like the gretsch style guitar on my left leg

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/tattoo/nt3.jpg)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Jamie on November 13, 2008, 07:26:58 PM
The first 2 tattoos i got were impulse buys (im a tw@t for impulse buying). But dont get me wrong i dont regret them but i might later on in life.The second tattoo i got it a big portrait of pinhead on my right wrist.

Admittedly I have a different idea of big when it comes to tattoos than most folk, but how can you fit big on your wrist? You must have the arms of an Ent! :lol:

Well i meant that its a big tattoo for what you might generally find on someones wrist.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: 38thBeatle on November 14, 2008, 07:12:29 PM
Try as I might, I cannot  see the attraction of tattoos but each to his own. A mate of mine has a son of 18 who had a massive one done on his arm. My mate was horrified but didn't say a word to the boy but he was really upset by it. He knows it is not for him to dictate and indeed he hasn't but the lad is happy -lets hope he feels the same way in 20 years.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: WezV on November 14, 2008, 07:18:43 PM
my dad had his first a few months before i had mine, so he cant really complain... although he did seem a bit put out when mine was so much better
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Philly Q on November 14, 2008, 07:35:10 PM
Interesting discussion.  I don't have any tattoos, and to a large extent I agree with Mr 38th and can't see the attraction - although I do sometimes think they look very cool indeed.  I tend to think that having a whole sh!tload of tattoos looks better than one little isolated one somewhere on an arm or shoulder.  In for a penny, in for a pound!

I must say that I have a lot of sympathy with opprobrium_9's perspective - if I was ever to have a tattoo then it would have to be inspired by an event or something of real significance, that would stay significant.  It's such a permanent thing, I know I personally would regret it if I just made a snap decision. 

That's one thing I can say at my advanced age - you will change as you get older.  I may have the same interests and be much the same person as I was 20-25 years ago, but in many ways I don't feel the same as I did then, or even as I did 5-10 years ago.  Which isn't to say "mark my words, you'll all regret these tattoos", you probably won't.  But I know I would.  Each to his own, indeed.  :)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: nfe on November 14, 2008, 07:44:46 PM
My dad isn't a huge fan of mine, but he is glad that I'm covered in things of some artistic merit rather than wee celic bands or the nonsense that's masqueraded as "tribal".

Once I'd had stuff on my lower arms and on my neck he pretty much no longer cares, I mean I can;t really get any more visible other than my face. Now he just sighs  :lol:
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on November 14, 2008, 08:54:37 PM
yeah i made sure to ask each of my parents before getting this, and they both had no problems with the idea. i even worked on the design a bit with my dad.

and just a point of interest... not saying i'll ever regret this tattoo... i don't think i ever will... but there's always the point of technology. in years to come, there could easily be more tattoo removal solutions besides laser surgery. not that anyone should get a tattoo hoping for advanced removal solutions in the future, but its a possibility. a lot will change in the next 25-50 years.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 15, 2008, 05:53:55 PM
a lot will change in the next 25-50 years.

This is true.  I am excited, and yet at the same time mortally terrified.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on November 15, 2008, 06:58:56 PM
a lot will change in the next 25-50 years.

This is true.  I am excited, and yet at the same time mortally terrified.

hopefully things will go more toward the former than the latter...
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: ToneMonkey on November 17, 2008, 03:06:25 PM
my dad had his first a few months before i had mine, so he cant really complain... although he did seem a bit put out when mine was so much better

My mum just called me a tw@t but said she liked it anyway  :lol:
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 17, 2008, 11:40:53 PM
Maybe a tattoo thread should be started to show off all the member's tattoos? *hint hint*







(i couldn't do it because i don't have one)
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: nfe on November 18, 2008, 12:07:40 AM
f I knew how to make things a sensible size in photobucket then I would, but every photo I have of my work is massive  :lol:
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: CJ on November 18, 2008, 12:26:22 AM
f I knew how to make things a sensible size in photobucket then I would, but every photo I have of my work is massive  :lol:

just upload it into paint or something and scale it down.
Title: Re: good metal quotes
Post by: Philly Q on November 18, 2008, 01:48:01 AM
Maybe a tattoo thread should be started to show off all the member's tattoos? *hint hint*

Caveat:  But if they're anywhere... private, then please spare us and keep 'em to yourselves.  :|