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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: WezV on November 08, 2008, 05:08:37 PM

Title: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 08, 2008, 05:08:37 PM
here she is:
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/done1-2.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/done8.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/done7.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/done10.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/done11.jpg)

its a maple/bubinga/wenge neck through with bubinga wings and wenge top and ebony fretboard.    natural oil finish which feels great

Scale lengths are 28" on the bass side and 26.5" on the bass.  Obviously the bridge is inspired by the blackmachine ones (credit where its due ;) ) currently tuned to A, E, A, D, F#, B

Tuners are sperzels, i had a moment with those a few months ago when i realised they would not fit the low baritone strings.. a quick phone call direct to sperzel and 2 weeks later i received a custom set of sperzels with larger post holes.. damn fine people to deal with!!

Pickup is a Blackdog.  we were talking about warpigs and painkillers but after a chat with Tim it had to be blackdog.  he said it was his favorite for baritones

Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: 38thBeatle on November 08, 2008, 05:40:21 PM
That looks superb Wez.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 08, 2008, 05:48:48 PM
cheers 38th

i know this one might be a crowd splitter but i am really proud of how its turned out, especially the carved bevels and the way it feels... its good when you are given the freedom to try these things

one things for certain... its definately not a telecaster!!! lol

its being picked up by Roo tomorrow!!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: SG Thrasher on November 08, 2008, 05:52:59 PM
Those contours/bevels are great, I love how it's a metal machine from the front and a completely different beast from the back.
Nice one.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 08, 2008, 05:57:06 PM
well i was told to make it mean but not like something a 16 year old would play.  roo and i spent a few weeks sending drawing back and forth getting the design where we wanted so its as mcuh his design as mine
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Philly Q on November 08, 2008, 05:59:48 PM
It's not the kind of thing I'd normally like... but it looks good!

Truly remarkable to see Roo showing such good taste...  :wink:


Are those the kind of body contours you mentioned on Fernando's SG thread, Wez?
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 08, 2008, 06:03:40 PM
no, but it is the same technique taken much further.. the SG ones are subtle enough to be nearly unnoticeable... but definately help the look

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/jb2.jpg)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Ted 'N' Leo on November 08, 2008, 06:08:34 PM
Thats a very nice looking guitar. Not really to my style, but very very nice looking indeed.

I especially like the psuedo SG look.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: _tom_ on November 08, 2008, 06:11:14 PM
Not usually my kind of thing but it does look awesome :) I still want one of your ravelle-alikes as well :P
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: PhilKing on November 08, 2008, 06:32:54 PM
It looks great Wez, I'm sure it sounds awesome too.  The guitar does look is little schitzophrenic, with the dark front and light back.  I bet the Wenge top was a bitch to carve!!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 08, 2008, 06:49:53 PM
Looks very well built, although the design and the baritone itself isn't my cup of tea... You know, I'm more traditional designs guy  :?
Keep on this thrill man, you getting really good! :D
Really admire your search for exotic looks, woods and technics... have to has guts to try this way!!!

And it's from Roo!!
Looks like you going to have a good guitar Roo, hope the neck isn't "ibanez wizard ultra-thin" :lol:
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: sgmypod on November 08, 2008, 06:57:04 PM
Like the baritone....and the sg is sweet too
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Lazy_McDoesnothing on November 08, 2008, 07:05:59 PM
Holy shiteballs!  It's beautiful!(Rootiful?)  If I had money and lived in the UK I'd be all over you for a similar 7-string version.  More pics in better lighting please when either of you get a chance!:D  
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: MrBump on November 08, 2008, 09:21:29 PM
I find that guitar deeply disturbing.

It challenges what I know about the guitar and makes me confused.

I like my comfort zone.

Having said THAT...

... as ever Wez, it looks great.

Mark.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 08, 2008, 09:30:04 PM
That guitar is SEXTASTIC!!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: silentrage on November 08, 2008, 10:35:41 PM
beautiful stuff Wez, what does a bubinga wenge neck sound like???

CLIPS! :D
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: dave_mc on November 08, 2008, 10:37:15 PM
Those contours/bevels are great, I love how it's a metal machine from the front and a completely different beast from the back.
Nice one.

+1

i think i like it more from the back, but it's pretty badass from the front, too. :)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 08, 2008, 11:14:36 PM
Wow, thanks for the fantastic responses, guys! I'll be heading up to Wez's place tomorrow to pick her up, and I seriously cannot WAIT! I will of course be taking many, many more pictures and making clips as soon as I can (these should be up on the web tomorrow I expect!).

One last word, and that is THANKS to Wez for being such a pleasure to "work" with (I say "work" because actually he did absolutely everything and more!). For my first custom (and given that I'm a one-guitar guy, certainly my only guitar for a long time to come), I couldn't possibly have wished for any better experience so far - Wez has been exceedingly helpful, expedient in all regards, and very knowledgeable to boot.

Wez, I hope this project has given you the extra fanned fret experience you wanted, and I am thrilled to bits with the way it looks (from pictures - roll on tomorrow!!!!!!). Now all that's left is to get playing her!

Roo

PS I can't believe this is on Page 2 before I've even had a chance to reply!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: gwEm on November 08, 2008, 11:47:14 PM
body shape is A1, really like it.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 08, 2008, 11:50:32 PM
Congrats Roo! Hopes you love it!


Wez, that maple is the hard or the soft one?
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 09, 2008, 01:20:08 AM
beautiful stuff Wez, what does a bubinga wenge neck sound like???

CLIPS! :D

erm, like your mama said it should!!!

seriously, Roo said he wanted to do fast staccato licks on the bass strings with no muddiness at high gain... and we were after perfect defination with good tone as well.  he will have to tell you if we managed that or not.  to me the thing has great clarity and awesome sustain.  its currently on my kitchen table and i opened dhe case and strummed it earlier to be greeted by a very organ like sound.   

we have a bit of a balancing act going one here, the bubinga, wenge, maple and ebony all  suggest overly bright, but that can work well on a guitar like this... but coupled with a grapthtech nut, saddles and a lower powered humbucker we also get a lot of tone and a very balanced guitar.  i am not used to baritones but have found it great fun to play

FE, there is more to maple than just hard or soft...it certainly aint rock maple but it aint like the soft flamed stuff either.  i got it from david dyke, asked for something with a little flame.... the man did me proud
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: the_bleeding on November 09, 2008, 02:35:24 AM
absolutely gorgeous. And yes, it has a mean look. Love how you kept it raw wood.

Personally, with that, i'd play a combination of death metal... and really dark rockabilly. Like the kind where you sing about shooting people on your porch hahahaha.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 09, 2008, 03:49:24 AM
FE, there is more to maple than just hard or soft...it certainly aint rock maple but it aint like the soft flamed stuff either.  i got it from david dyke, asked for something with a little flame.... the man did me proud

Yeah! That one is very flamed, that's why I asked!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: TheDev01dOne on November 09, 2008, 05:22:06 AM
Looks great. I guess the fanned frets would be less noticeable with a larger scale length, they don't look as extreme as the other fanned fret guitar you have.

I like the simplicity too, some wood and oil, a pickup and some strings .. All looks very natural, even the body shape is strangely organic looking. Beautiful guitar.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 09, 2008, 05:31:17 AM
What is the name of the model? Roocaster? :D
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: gingataff on November 09, 2008, 05:34:03 AM
Telebubba?
There's some quality in that there axe! I was amazed when I saw the pics of the back  PDT_003
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: silentrage on November 09, 2008, 06:14:55 AM
Since no one else is asking, what's the damage on this one Roo?
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 09, 2008, 06:59:21 AM
we have a bit of a balancing act going one here, the bubinga, wenge, maple and ebony all  suggest overly bright, but that can work well on a guitar like this... but coupled with a grapthtech nut, saddles and a lower powered humbucker we also get a lot of tone and a very balanced guitar.  i am not used to baritones but have found it great fun to play

Wenge is a wood that maintains a bright output?  I thought it had a lot of body and deepness to it... shows how much i know.  I was always under the impression that wenge is not anything like Mahogany particularly, but it does have a lot of bite and depth.

Again, it looks fantastic.  I love the natural look.  Those natural guitars tend too look miles better than colored ones; and UCK! grain filler?  Please. :roll:

Congrats Roo, i can wait to hear teh br00thalz on that thing, all while the overtones from its own br00thality through the speakers reverberates over the land decimating every Tele it touches ;)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 09, 2008, 08:26:23 AM
Haha, loving the same suggestions, but this one already has a name: the Vociferator.
I had suggested the Violator, but as Wez pointed out, perhaps "The Venables Violator" had other potential meanings that he might not be too happy about! :D

silentrage: I don't think it'd be appropriate for me to answer that question on here - in fact it was a similar question I had which I posed to Wez about a year ago that led to me biting the bullet on this puppy, so perhaps you should PM him your question ;)

Obviously there will be clips in due course, I'll keep you guys posted :)

Roo

Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 09, 2008, 08:35:33 AM
He could name it: Venables, The Violator :lol:
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 09, 2008, 11:05:31 AM
Wenge is a wood that maintains a bright output?  I thought it had a lot of body and deepness to it... shows how much i know.  I was always under the impression that wenge is not anything like Mahogany particularly, but it does have a lot of bite and depth.

wenge isnt the main tonal ingredient, the bubinga, maple and ebony make up most of the tone on this.  wenge can be very bright, but it does have extra depths
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: badgermark on November 09, 2008, 11:08:37 AM
Not my cup of tea, but a beautifully built instrument none the less. See Roo? I can respect other peoples tastes without going off on a tirade about their sexuality! Plus the top AND bottom horns look strangely penile! Who's the homo now!?

Looks great guys, the blackdog is an interesting choice, love to hear it cranked up.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 09, 2008, 11:25:09 AM
Plus the top AND bottom horns look strangely penile! Who's the homo now!?

 the man who is seeing the penis :P
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Philly Q on November 09, 2008, 12:13:10 PM
Plus the top AND bottom horns look strangely penile! Who's the homo now!?

 the man who is seeing the penis :P


Here we go again......   :roll:
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: noodleplugerine on November 09, 2008, 01:05:12 PM
HOW DID I MISS THIS THREAD?!

Jesus christ, Wez, I've been fanboying your work for a while now.. But this is just incredible. The design's great, very original, no tone knob is allways a plus too. Looks absolutely brilliant tbh. This would be pretty much exactly what I would go for, cept maybe just a 7 string or something.

28 to 26.5 should be quite nice to play actually, I'd love something like this.

Now Wez.... Go make an 8 string version with a 30-26.5 fan, please... I'd commision it if I wasn't a poor bar-steward....
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 09, 2008, 01:20:50 PM
an 8 string is on my to do list... maybe a similar shape, maybe more superstrat,  i havnt decided yet.

anyway, Roo just left.  I wish i had caught his first time playing it on camera, i keep saying it and mke anyone who walks through my front door try one to back me up...  fanned frets rule the world!!!  It was his first time playing one but there was no hesitation or fumbling about.  most people look at them for a minute or two before trying out a cautious little riff and realising its actually no different than switching from a strat to a les paul
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: AdamB on November 09, 2008, 03:24:13 PM
So, rather than starting a new thread, i thought i'd ask here about baritones....

So, what are the advantages of them?

Do they just handle low tunings better because of the increased scale length?

Why a baritone over a standard guitar?

Sorry for the questions, just doing a bit of detective work making choices for my own custom guitar
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 09, 2008, 03:47:15 PM
for me it all comes down to string tension.  if you want big fat strings and low tunings then a baritone is the way to go as the extra length ensures clarity and sustain.

the problem with standard guitar is that the low strings can feel too loose or even a bit farty

obviously the problem with nomral baritones is that you are pushing the high strings a bit tighter than optimal... thats why this style of construction makes sense.. anyone who has looked inside a piano will see the idea... short treble strings and long bass ones
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: AndyR on November 09, 2008, 04:54:25 PM
Bit late to this... but that's one crazy looking guitar guys 8)

There's this interesting optical illusion thing going on the first picture - it looks like the neck curves :o but of course it can't... do you get that effect when you see it in the flesh?

I started typing "not really my cup of tea, but..." like others have, but I'm not so sure it isn't my cup tea! :lol:

Looks like a fantastic job there Wez, and Roo, it's good to see the kind of shape you'd actually go for :D
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 09, 2008, 05:10:29 PM
just remember the strings are definately straight!!!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: AndyR on November 09, 2008, 05:13:59 PM
just remember the strings are definately straight!!!

:lol:
exactly
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Alex on November 09, 2008, 06:23:00 PM
Very nice! Welcome to the baritone club!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 09, 2008, 06:41:05 PM
Okay, well I can't stop playing this beauty! OH MY LORD she's so good to play. The wood is infeasibly smooth, and the guitar is resonant beyond belief. You really can feel the wood vibrate with the strings - the key benefit of a string-through design!
I have to say I'm completely shell-shocked. I was pretty speechless when I went to pick her up (thanks again Wez!!), and I can only stop playing her for long enough to upload a quick and dirty MP3 of the clean/filthy stuff and type this message.

I've attached a clip (I hope), but if that doesn't work, try the soundclick version: which is here (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=890931&content=music).
Here's the line:
Wez Venables Vociferator (14-68 D'Addario strings, Black Dog BKP) -> Cleartone Cable -> Peavey 5150-II (which has pretty poor cleans, but this guitar makes EVEN these cleans sparkle!!) -> Roobubsticks' Cab of Doom (2 x G12K-100 (one of which is mic'd up!) and 2 x EVM12L Black label) -> T-Bone Cheapo Mic -> Work's MacBook Pro -> Garageband


The dirty is fantastic in real life, I'm not sure if the cheapo mic I have has picked that up very well or not. Also, what's REALLY blowing me away is the clean. The clean sound is resonant and vibrant, and the sustain is just unreal.
I have nothing but the highest praise for your work on this Wez! I hope it wasn't too difficult to part with her, but believe me, she is and will be very well loved :)

Roo

PS I'll get some cranked recordings done on Tuesday at band - I really can't crank the amp at home, hence these clips are at pretty low volume (and this amp really comes alive when you crank it).

PPS Thanks for all the comments (yes Badger, even yours lol - gave me a chuckle anyway!)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 09, 2008, 06:59:00 PM
8) :twisted:
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 09, 2008, 07:00:48 PM
And just to pick up on a point that Wez raised earlier - playing a fanned fret is so natural! I had actually kind of forgotten that is was fanned fret when I first held the guitar, because the feel of the wood is really mesmerising - this is one tactile guitar! By the time I realised that the frets weren't exactly where I was expecting them, my fingers had already found where they should be - it really is like second nature, and I know from seeing videos of others picking up fanned frets for the first time that it's not just me :)

I now agree with Wez (or at least with my paraphrased interpretation of what he said), all guitars should have fanned frets!!

Roo


Back to playing!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 09, 2008, 07:26:04 PM
thx for that roo.  Cant wait for more clips!!!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Will on November 09, 2008, 07:32:29 PM
I really enjoyed the clean sample. The heavy stuff isn't what I'm really into though, but it sounds like it would satisfy the needs of someone who is
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: 38thBeatle on November 09, 2008, 07:42:00 PM
Sounded great Roo-thouh low tones sound very clear. Like Will I prefer the clean tones.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Oli on November 09, 2008, 07:50:28 PM
Nice to see another convert to the fanned-fret philosophy :) Congrats to both of you, she looks a beaut!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: noodleplugerine on November 09, 2008, 10:44:16 PM
One thing I can tell from that recording is how clear the pickups are, every note rings out properly. No mush whatsoever. Good choice imo, really low notes going into high output pickups would have been overpowering and lead to mush.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 10, 2008, 01:49:56 AM
FVCK YEAH ROO!!  That clip ruled.  I think i just heard a couple Teles crack too ;)

I have been meaning to ask, and either Roo or Wez can answer this, or both.  In terms of playing chords how is it on a fanned fret?  Do you have to contort your hand more?  It just looks rather difficult if you want to attain a nice clean bar chord.  Looks absolutely awesome for single line stuff.


Also Wez, a further note on tone woods (i am obsessed - this is not to derail).  If you had a Wenge neck through (laminated Wenge/maple/ebony/maple/Wenge with Mahogany wings and a maple cap, how resonant and deep (as bright or not bright) would the tone be do you think?  If you had that same lamination what would be the best balance wood?
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 10, 2008, 02:21:11 AM
Opprobrium, I have not the time to test my Telecaster, nor compare it with a maple neck... But a guy very experienced in guitars told me that if maple would be 10 and mahogany would be 0, Wenge would be something alike 6... People who played a guitar with Wenge neck usually tell that it's not bright nor bassy/muddy but has a punchy sound...

*I* would make a Wenge neck only, if using laminates would be Rosewood ones(hehehehe). But I always tend to the Gibby side of force :lol:

(hope I'm not saying rubbish and Wez agree, he is the man here with exotic woods... this is what I got in my research before I bought the neck... )
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 10, 2008, 02:40:38 AM
Opprobrium, I have not the time to test my Telecaster, nor compare it with a maple neck... But a guy very experienced in guitars told me that if maple would be 10 and mahogany would be 0, Wenge would be something alike 6... People who played a guitar with Wenge neck usually tell that it's not bright nor bassy/muddy but has a punchy sound...

*I* would make a Wenge neck only, if using laminates would be Rosewood ones(hehehehe). But I always tend to the Gibby side of force :lol:

yeah, i have heard this too.  About the punchy business.  The only reason for laminating, for me at least, would be the ornamental factor.  I just like the look of the diversity of woods.  I have heard tell that an ebony strip can add a bit of deepness to the tone, but i don't know whether this is rubbish or not.  Rosewood as well, as a tonewood is nice and rich tonally, so strips of those (as long as they jumped out visually) might be an option.

I relistened to those clips Roo, and the bass drone that you were doing on the cleans was unbelievable - just perfect!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 10, 2008, 02:54:27 AM
I relistened to those clips Roo, and the bass drone that you were doing on the cleans was unbelievable - just perfect!

In that case I would say to go in the same way... At most change the thin Wenge in the place of the big maple laminate and vice-versa (http://216.211.140.132/Smileys/Lots_O_Smileys/icon_thumright.gif)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 10, 2008, 08:18:57 AM
i have done one pice wenge necks and i have done 3 piece laminates with a thin strip of wenge and a few 5 piece laminates with a couple of strips.  Generally i use it because its stiff and dark and much more reasonably priced than ebony that size.

the 1 piece wenge neck i did was certainly punchy.  bright but not too bright. 

i tend to avoid the pure black ebony for necks as its getting harder to find in peices much bigger than fretboards... but if i was happy enough with the quality i would try it... but it gets hard to read the grain on ebony.  i do have some macasser ebony i am really looking forward to using for necks.. perfectly quartersawn and straight all the way down.  I know blackmachine and AC Guitars do ebony laminated necks with the black stuff... and you can tell that both Doug and Alan are wood perverts who wouldnt use something unsuitable

i must admit, the bass drone notes gave me a smile.   i dont build for sustain or claim that its as important as some people make out... but i do find i would struggle to do something lacking sustain... even so, this thing has ungodly amounts!


playing chords can vary.  I have done two guitars, this one with a 1.5" difference in scale lengths and a guitar with a 1" difference... with both fanning out from  around the 7th fret.   This is actually a lot more subtle than a lot on the market and i dont think it hinders playing chords... infact on the guitar i keep for myself bar chords above the 12th fret are easier than i have ever known them.  Oli made his fanned fret starting with a straight bridge which make the nut more angled and i think he said he initially struggled with some chords - but quickly adapted to them.. i will let him confirm that
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 10, 2008, 11:11:10 AM
I'll do some more clips tonight when I get home (I hope!), and this time actually concentrate on the playing, not on how ****ing LOVELY it feels to play! :)

re: chords - I find them exactly the same, if not a bit easier on this guitar. It might seem counter-intuitive, but it's a very natural shape when you put your hand in that position. Of course, it helps that the neck is Godly, too :)

Right, back to work, gotta get through the day so I can get back to playing my beauty!

Roo
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: GuiTony on November 10, 2008, 11:40:04 AM
Another stonking looking & sounding instrument there Wez ... congratulations to both  8)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: TheDev01dOne on November 10, 2008, 11:58:42 AM
Sorry for off-topic-ish again but all this wood talk is intriguing me..

Could you use ebony to a 1piece neck? Like just 1 solid part like a 1 piece maple neck? DO you just finish it like a normal neck or could you have it with just an oil finish or something? Would be cool a 1piece ebony T£le neck.. I know you can get rosewood from warmoth etc. but never seen ebony used as much else than fretboards or acoustic bridges etc.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: MDV on November 10, 2008, 12:06:33 PM
That guitar is made of 101 proof win.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: gingataff on November 10, 2008, 12:09:14 PM
Sorry for off-topic-ish again but all this wood talk is intriguing me..

Could you use ebony to a 1piece neck? Like just 1 solid part like a 1 piece maple neck? DO you just finish it like a normal neck or could you have it with just an oil finish or something? Would be cool a 1piece ebony T£le neck.. I know you can get rosewood from warmoth etc. but never seen ebony used as much else than fretboards or acoustic bridges etc.

Warmoth did have a run of all ebony necks a while back but I haven's seen one recently.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 10, 2008, 12:11:23 PM
I have some macasser ebony that would be great for 1 piece fender style necks.. its generally more stable than the pure black stuff

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/XL804260.jpg)

i would do it just with an oil finish, tbh it would polish up just fine without anything but the oil helps to keep it looking good
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: TheDev01dOne on November 10, 2008, 12:20:33 PM
That is some nice looking wood man. Thankfully I'm GASsing for too many other expensive things at the moment to start daydreaming about how nice it would look on a thinline.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 10, 2008, 01:53:19 PM
That is some nice looking wood man. Thankfully I'm GASsing for too many other expensive things at the moment to start daydreaming about how nice it would look on a thinline.

Good, because to waste that beautiful wood on a telecaster would be a crime beyond all crimes!

:)

Roo
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 10, 2008, 01:57:19 PM
at least one bit of it is going on a telecaster!!  sorry roo - i will avoid the tele headstock and traditional hardware but it will have that top horn you hate
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 10, 2008, 01:59:01 PM
BOOO!!! And I can't even be mean to you for it, because you built me an absolute corker!!

Oh well, back to work... c'mon day, go faster :)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 10, 2008, 02:47:17 PM
Roo, do you understand a Thinline as a Tele with and F hole???
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 10, 2008, 04:58:57 PM
Roo, do you understand a Thinline as a Tele with and F hole???

A Tele with an F hole a non-Tele does not make.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Nadz1lla on November 10, 2008, 06:09:13 PM
Bit late on this but that is a beauty Wez! :D
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 10, 2008, 06:13:41 PM
Roo, do you understand a Thinline as a Tele with and F hole???

A Tele with an F hole a non-Tele does not make.
:? sorry, didn't get the meaning
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 10, 2008, 07:14:57 PM
Roo, do you understand a Thinline as a Tele with and F hole???

A Tele with an F hole a non-Tele does not make.
:? sorry, didn't get the meaning

Nevermind, it was a bit of tongue and cheek.  I understand that i might be a difficult translation; i suppose that double negative that i used would be confusing for most English speakers.  If i explain it i am afraid i will ruin the effect.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Johnny Mac on November 10, 2008, 09:01:24 PM
Thats a lovely guitar Roo! Great work too Wez. I know that feeling of wonder when you get home the guitar of your dreams! I'd love a go on a Baritone, I bet they sound heavy as F!!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: HTH AMPS on November 10, 2008, 09:22:03 PM
I have some macasser ebony that would be great for 1 piece fender style necks.. its generally more stable than the pure black stuff

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/XL804260.jpg)

i would do it just with an oil finish, tbh it would polish up just fine without anything but the oil helps to keep it looking good

that wood looks great, I just wish you hadn't put those two planks of wood on top though  :lol:

Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 10, 2008, 09:37:07 PM

Nevermind, it was a bit of tongue and cheek.  I understand that i might be a difficult translation; i suppose that double negative that i used would be confusing for most English speakers.  If i explain it i am afraid i will ruin the effect.

Ok, I'll post a Tele pic to get back the enthusiasm on the thread :lol:
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Johnny Mac on November 10, 2008, 10:00:07 PM
I just listened to your clip, that guitar is so deep on the bass! It sounds great  :twisted:
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 10, 2008, 10:26:19 PM

Nevermind, it was a bit of tongue and cheek.  I understand that i might be a difficult translation; i suppose that double negative that i used would be confusing for most English speakers.  If i explain it i am afraid i will ruin the effect.

Ok, I'll post a Tele pic to get back the enthusiasm on the thread :lol:

O god no, this is ROO'S THREAD, and Roo's thread only - i mean, it was for him.  That would just be downright disrespectful Fernando.  Let him have his glory in peace :lol:
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 11, 2008, 07:07:38 AM
what if i was to post a tele?  I must admit i snuck at least one tele photo into Roo's updates :)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 11, 2008, 07:18:15 AM
HA! I don't think you can be reprimanded Wez, not now anyways... i would say that is just about impossible now 8)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 11, 2008, 10:12:52 AM
But still... don't! :)

No more clips yet, you'll have to wait until after band practice tonight! :)

Roo
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 11, 2008, 10:16:53 AM
But still... don't! :)

No more clips yet, you'll have to wait until after band practice tonight! :)

Roo

I can't wait!  I have been having wet dreams about a similar instrument 7 string version (maybe not the exact same shape, but maybe ;) ).  That bass drone, FVCK!!!! :):):):):)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Nadz1lla on November 11, 2008, 11:10:20 AM
Damnit I'm at work so I have no sound on the computer, I really wanna hear the clip now damnit!   :D
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 11, 2008, 11:15:51 AM
I was playing around with a middle-8 section to Precious Things (one of our tracks which I think is still up on Myspace with the old vocalist singing). It's got a long bottom A drone with some slightly widdly stuff on the other strings. It sounds so alive on the new guitar, and the bass note comes through the whole phrase really strongly. I shall get a recording of that tonight, for sure :)

I might also try to get some other clean/crunchy stuff down, as this instrument sounds fantastic for more classical/bluesy stuff than I could possibly have imagined beforehand. But of course, it handles brutality with abandon. It can even take the band off and handle brutality again. :D

I'll keep you posted :)

Roo
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: TheDev01dOne on November 11, 2008, 03:37:13 PM
Do you have to transpose all the songs you know to baritone tuning now? Or were you playing a de-tuned guitar before that matches this tuning? Or are you just gonna play in whatever key the guitar makes it?
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 11, 2008, 03:46:27 PM
Naa, previously I de-tuned my Ibanez RG470 to the same tuning with big strings. Naturally, on a 25.5" scale, that wasn't great! Hence the need for a baritone, and, well the rest is history :)

Roo
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 13, 2008, 08:33:33 AM
I must apologise profusely for the atrocious playing, but this is all I have for the minute, so I thought I'd just upload some excerpts from Tuesday night's practice.
Also, some of these chop off most unceremoniously. I haven't found a way to fade with Garageband and can't copy these onto my main machine (where I use Cubase) because I'm currently on the bus!
Recorded at very high volume, and the mic was on one of the EVM12L-Black label speakers this time just for fun. At some point I will get a chance to record some stuff properly, but various things have happened this week, including a (not unexpected, but nonetheless upsetting) death in the family, which have meant I've not been in a position to dedicate much time to recording.

First up some guitar on its own:
Precious = Clean section, just a few bars to show the sustain.
MOAR and Octaves: High gain stuff.

Again, sorry for the poor playing :( Wanted to do this guitar justice at the first practice, but like I said above, extraneous factors have left me somewhat more tired this week than I would otherwise have been, and it showed in my playing.

Roo
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 13, 2008, 08:40:56 AM
And one of the guitar in the band setting, with our new song Into the Woods (this is the fourth time of playing it).

Roo
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 13, 2008, 08:49:33 AM
I've just read my post above, and what I didn't say was that the guitar was really, REALLY nice to play! The one thing I'm finding it slower to get used to that I expected was the need to have my hands slightly further apart than before, because of the longer scale length. Even slides with a bar from the twelfth fret to the first are really natural feeling, which if you think about it is weird because you have to change the angle of your fingers on the way down!
Again, the wood feels absolutely amazing, and the neck is a real dream to play on. It's been fantastic for me as a player so far, and I've had her for less than a week - I just keep wanting to pick her up and get playing!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 13, 2008, 09:25:36 AM
thx for taking the time to do those roo, i cant listen to them till later :(
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 13, 2008, 12:54:48 PM
Marvelous tone, Roo!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 13, 2008, 06:23:50 PM
yep, sounds good to me! ;)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 13, 2008, 08:47:26 PM
Is it just me or are the distorted clips really muddy?

The bass drones on the new clean are fvcking unbelievable.
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 13, 2008, 10:43:42 PM
there is a little less clarity on the filthy stuff,  i put that down to the situation (i.e. a quick band practice recording that roo stated had issues in quality)... but thats because i know what this thing sounds like!!

the clean one is awesome aint it, i may have to get that drone down as a text alert or something, but then i will have to worry about my phone shaking a ball loose or something
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: ailean on November 14, 2008, 08:36:12 PM
That's a beauty Wez, you've done it again! (But Sue's is better :p )
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: WezV on November 15, 2008, 01:39:12 AM
how is sue getting on with hers?   I still think its great, but i havnt heard anything for a while.  i like the tone that one produced, the feel of the neck, and the damn chunky frets.  still not sure if i should offer inlay or not since i have the option of lazer cutting it for better detail... but i look at smaug and feel quite happy!!
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 20, 2008, 02:27:38 PM
Finally got a few more clips done at band practice - but I'm still editing those (been insanely busy in real life for the past two weeks). In the mean time, I thought I'd upload a couple more of the band tracks which I'm much happier with from the tone perspective. Now I'm getting more and more used to the guitar, I'm really totally falling in love with playing it. Sadly for me, my playing isn't yet doing it justice, but hey - now I have something that really inspires me to get better!!

Hope you enjoy the tracks. Not all have vocals on yet.

Roo

PS this is all dirty stuff for now until I get the guitar-only clips done

PPS There are a few mistakes in these - they're one-take band practice recordings on a cr@p microphone in the room, so please don't skin me too much! :)
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 20, 2008, 02:28:34 PM
tracks attached
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: Roobubba on November 20, 2008, 02:31:20 PM
One more...
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: FernandoDuarte on November 20, 2008, 02:52:59 PM
The mic completely mess the thing, I'm sure... :?
Title: Re: WV Baritone finally completed
Post by: opprobrium_9 on November 20, 2008, 10:31:06 PM
ZOMGZ!!!!!!! :o

Into the Woods was SO BR00THALZ that i almost killed someone in my dormatory.  MOAR CLIPZ!!!  I gotz ta get me a baritone!

Awesome Roo