Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Miracle Man Matt on September 28, 2005, 04:45:58 PM
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i.e. me :D
I think I shall call them the
'Steel toecaps'
effectivly a Ceramic Warpig.
O.K. maybe Im being a little hopefull in having my very own signature PU's, let alone the holy bestowement of BKP ones, but it lead me to an idea that Tim might consider.
i know at the moment the site is due to be updated, and whilst you have an impresive selection to choose from, alot of your PU's are able to hold their own using different mags (eg a ceramic Warpig or Alnico MM),
so I thought that instead of adding small bits on how using a different mag on a certain PU will change its character, why don't you create a whole extra page to a PU with a different Mag in.
e.g.
Steel Toecap
This all out metal grinder is derived form the monstrous warpig, but differs in that it has a huge ceramic magnet to give huge precise bass and treble response with an even higher output...bla bla
(I use this becasue I love my MM, but I was wondering if an even heavier/tighter, bass heavy PU could be made)
anyway just thought.
MMM
also when do you see the new website being opened?
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i'm afraid you're not the first to come up with this idea- Drac has ceramic warpigs in more than one of his guitars
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That's basically what Duncan do anyway...
A distortion is a JB with an oversized ceramic magnet, all the custom series are the exact same pickup with different magnets, don't quote me but I remember reading something about the Jazz being an A2pro with an A5 magnet.
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My point is that exactly. for the majority of people, unless they have spent a great time researching PU's and their construction then alot of people don't understand this and that is why probably SD do it.
when it comes down to it, just saying "oh its a ceramic warpig... not alnico" or whatever, it changes the character of the PU drastically, almost to the point where its a totally different PU. Thus gives the potential buyer a greater range and diversity of product of which they can choose and so be more at easy buying a less well-known brand, over a more common one because 'dimebag darrel uses it' or whatnot.
BKP pickups are great, and alot of it is to do with BKP being a small specialized buisiness, but I don't see why this is a bad thing.
My point was that I think BKP needs to highlight some of the more common combinations and explain them in a way that a mere mortal can understand, e.g. creating a new name and discription.
- I bet BKP get alot of orders from younger kids and teenagers who don't quite know what they want or the importance of what BKP can offer.... I know I am one :lol:
just becasue SD and DM are more commercialized, doesn't mean that they aren't good PU's ( I don't know as I have never owned one) or buisiness men. Far from it, it's just that to create the best possible progress and success form a small buisiness, you have to analize the bigger companies, see what sets you apart/highlights your end of the market, and also what could be learned form other successful companies.
Im sure Tim is well aware of this and by the looks of things, BKP is becoming a VERY reputable company. but Im just backing up my point of spreading the selection to appeal to the majority of people who don't understand what alnico means or even cares what magnet is in it as long as it sounds the way they want.
phew rant over... I think I better go have a lie-down........
MMM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........
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also when do you see the new website being opened?
Patience my dear friend... :-)
We are at it hammer and tong 24/7! (Well that's what it feels like!)
Ol.
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Sorry I was drunk when I wrote that last message :oops:
well i have no doubt that it shall be err how you say in English.... 'The dogs bo!!**ks'
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Everyone seems to diversify these days. What I like about BKP is that the product range is still relatively small. But there is a point in renaming the ceramic Warpig. All of BKP's PAF style pickups are pretty similar but have different names, same goes for the vintage style strat pickups. The question is, how different is the ceramic Warpig from the AV Warpig? Is it different enough to rename it?
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How about a Cerampig? :lol:
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I have both Pigs in front of me-ceramic, and AV
I have to say after some A/B back and forth, that the ceramic pig is brighter, in spite of it's slightly reduced DC res. ( Tim said he lowers the winds slightly to compensate for the ceramic mags, and keep the overall output approximately the same)-(if I recall correctly-if not, PLEASE ADVISE!)
- the cover seems to act as a form of sonic filter, and without having two pigs that are both the same in regard to covers( 1 ceramic, & 1 aV, both covered, or both not) , I can't give an honest comparison of the magnets influence...-
Perhaps it's worth considering the Warpig, or any other BK models,as well designed core items that can be interpreted through a list of available options-ie., "very-very custom"-
-Next time I get 'Pigged", I'm asking for Ceramic mags with the 'art-tastic' cover wound at full strength-the 'Drac' model?
-You know what I like about BareKnucklePickups is that I get a form of personal 'signature' model pickup every time I order from them.
-Righteous Stuff...
-cheers from Drac
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I think BKP has mor than enough flexibilty to cater for people that have an idea of a specific sound they want, and those that feel they need them can order alterations to existing pickups. Thats fantastic (and funnily enough I'm dying to try out a ceramic warpig, but cant justify it at the moment).
But theres a minority that know how to get what they want in a pickup in terms of its components and construction. BKP can talk to those people and hammer out exactly what they need, and thats superb! Try having a conversation with Seymour Duncan about what magnet to use in the pickup youre about to order!
But then most poeple dont know that stuff and dont want to. Throwing a load of pickups with the same name but an explanation of different components and construction techniques effect on the sound at them is likely to just baffle them: they know tone, and trust their ears and non-technical descritptions of it.
It terms of customer satisfaction I think BKP have it right: a range of pickups well designed for niche-market sounds, each with a character that someone will love, and a good balance of plain english and technical description in the blurbs to whet the appititie of the technical and non-technical buyer. Either kind of person can then enquire further and get the sound they want one way or another, and that, folks, is what its all about!!!
I'm all for new pickups, but theres no need for SD-style 'you-can-just-about-hear-it' differences or for excessive detail.
Just my 2c anywho.....
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ah ha, this is what im talking about.
yea I agree with all of you, the SD diverity is a bit OTT, but as Ratrod said, alot of the PAF based ones are quite similar, but thats to do alot of that genre being fairly similar (IMO), while some others are quite different.
Drac, I know that despite your pigs differing with covers, what can you say about your ceramic pig, as im very interested in it, what does it compare to/blow away? and what does it, well sound like?
thanks
MMM
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Ceramic Warpig compared to the stock Warpig Alnico 5:Much the same-more 'presence'/edge/sizzle-sounds slighty higher mids, same enormous bottom-I've had to lower bass settings on my amps for both types of warpigs compared to my old sd invader sounds... Don't misinterpret this as a gripe!
I've always been a fan of high output passive HBs, although I tend to lower them deeper into the bodies so that the extra power is a little 'chilled out'...
Lower powered PUs closer to the strings have the same effect, so we're getting into the realm of personal taste, here...
-I like the sizzling sustain of "metal" chords, and the single note to chord contrast of HIGH OUTPUT-
I get this soundgasm from High Output pickups straight into the amp that allows me to grind detuned deathmetal without resorting to additional distortion devices, and they seem to naturally compress-
The extra edge suits my low tuning (ADGCEA)-I had Steve recommend ceramic mags, as his brother uses 'em to play black/extreme/death metal, with good reviews...I wonder how they would function under standard tuning, or different amps?-I can't tell you- maybe the ceramic edge would be too much for some folks-
-The cover is a factor in the sound- I know now that I like them-
Consider also the guitar itself's influence on the end result
- the possibilities are endless -
both axes I'm comparing are walnut bodies with maple tops, neckthru's-
I would suggest ceramic mags for icepick/blackmetal talons-on-the-chalkboard edge, or the A5 for fluid 'PAF-on-amphetamines' fullness, and bear in mind the fine tuning you can make with pots and caps, too.
-Perhaps I can A/B them in a soundclip?-
Would be soonest after the weekend, when I'm here next, but would like to see if you could hear the difference.
Hope this helped a little...
-best regards from Drac
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Very interesting drac!
I'd love to hear those A/B clips, hint hint, nudge nudge.
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brilliant thanks alot, a soundclip A/B would be much appreciated. I have a MM with double poles and I love it, the bass is incredible and very tight, more so than my EMG 81. I was wondering what to go for to get the most bass and precision, so I though a Ceramic pig might be an idea.
cheers
MMM
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I don't want to hi-jack this thread but how close can the ceramic Warpig come to Metallica's Black Album sound (and the tour that followed)?
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-You know what I like about BareKnucklePickups is that I get a form of personal 'signature' model pickup every time I order from them.
That is the best part, IMO.
You can email Tim and say "what would ------- sound like", not only will he tell you, but he'll do it for you without taking twice as much money for it.