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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: MDV on November 19, 2008, 10:38:05 AM
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Probably for tracking leads, but if it can serve as all round practice amp all the better.
The blackstar stuff looks best on cursory inspection. Whats the difference between that and blackheart?
And by low, I mean, like 5W
And by metal I mean $%&#ing METAL. Not wussy depthless crunch. If this is acheivable with an OD, I will also consider that.
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Blackstar HT-5?
Looks best from my browsing.
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I'd say a POD or get a pedal like the Metal Muff or something?
5w Mesa Triple Rectifiers aren't available......
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I have a pod. I hate it. It sounds like a kick drum filled with angry bees on every setting.
Something with some balls that I can add an overdrive too would suffice.
Looked up more info on the HT. Doesnt do metal, on its own at least.
Hmpfff.
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I don't know anything that low powered that does metal.
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Splawn Competition is only 25W in triode.
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On a rethink ... perhaps you would be better off buying an iso cab. Or re-amping.
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hey MDV, I thought you were going to use that Peters amp for practising, or maybe I just read too much into the blokes website about how it's designed to sound good at low volumes if you tweak all the power amp settings
I don't really know much on low watt amps for metal but for pedals, I thought the metal muff sounded good from the youtube clips I've seen, not that I've tried a real one so take that with a pinch of salt
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Splawn Competition is only 25W in triode.
I fancy a go of one of these exactly for that reason. Now that there's a UK dealer...
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big problem is a lot of the low wattage amps aren't aimed at metal...
i've recently had a major GAS attack for a cornford carrera... despite not having actually tried it :lol: . I doubt it'll do the br00talz (could be wrong though), but cornford lead tones are generally awesome (if the other cornfords i've tried are anything to go by).
depends how much you want to spend, of course- i haven't tried those blackstars yet. Big problem with those is they seem to just be their pedal with a power amp attached? could be wrong, though. :)
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have you thought getting a 30 or 50w hi gainer and pulling some tubes to make it quieter?
I think there's a lot more metal amps in that wattage range.
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MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!! - this will...
:D :D
TO, the splawn is pushing it in power and price, but thanks, I'll look into it.
JDC - the chimera is still on the cards. In that I'm GASsing for it like a madman, but the exchange rate at the moment made them rather a bit less appealing, and, though its the thing I want most in my GAS list, its the thing I need the least. Much as I hate to have to acknowledge this fact - a 100W valve amp is no practice amp! I have a powerball, and thats sitting nearly unused since I'm not gigging and I recently moved next door to two very old folk! I'm building an Isolation cab, and the instant its finished, the Chimera will go to the top of the list. Right now its a big 100W, £1500, untested and untestable Nice-to-have (*Probably* - like I say, its untested).
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MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!! - this will...
Oh - you tease!
HTH is building me a 10w version of the Tim Caswell/SIR Number 39 modified Marshall that Slash used on Appetite and George Lynch used for most of the Under Lock and Key Tour
We are using an 80s Transistor Marshall as the donor amp - giving us a nice stable cabinet , Chassis and Celestion 12" speaker.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/amps/30wMarshall.jpg)
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Splawn Competition is only 25W in triode.
sorry ben - i haven't tried the splawn in question - but every amp i tried, triode mode sucked :x also 25w might be a little loud. maybe splawn did some working getting triode mode to sound good. if they did, i'd love to hear about it
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I have a pod. I hate it. It sounds like a kick drum filled with angry bees on every setting.
Something with some balls that I can add an overdrive too would suffice.
Looked up more info on the HT. Doesnt do metal, on its own at least.
Hmpfff.
Have you tried the new pod farm software the dual tone settings really make a difference as you can back off on the gain a lot to get rid of that hissiness.
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I have a pod. I hate it. It sounds like a kick drum filled with angry bees on every setting.
Something with some balls that I can add an overdrive too would suffice.
Looked up more info on the HT. Doesnt do metal, on its own at least.
Hmpfff.
Have you tried the new pod farm software the dual tone settings really make a difference as you can back off on the gain a lot to get rid of that hissiness.
Nope. And I havent the slightest intention of buying anything else from line 6.
I have tried using my POD and TL LE at the same time. Not quite refined it yet - but its very promising.
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MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!! - this will...
Oh - you tease!
HTH is building me a 10w version of the Tim Caswell/SIR Number 39 modified Marshall that Slash used on Appetite and George Lynch used for most of the Under Lock and Key Tour
We are using an 80s Transistor Marshall as the donor amp - giving us a nice stable cabinet , Chassis and Celestion 12" speaker.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/amps/30wMarshall.jpg)
HTH and I have been talking about gutting something and starting again. He has some great ideas for this - clearly been looking at it for a while (see pic he posted - 10W SLO-clone!)
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MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!! - this will...
:D :D
TO, the splawn is pushing it in power and price, but thanks, I'll look into it.
JDC - the chimera is still on the cards. In that I'm GASsing for it like a madman, but the exchange rate at the moment made them rather a bit less appealing, and, though its the thing I want most in my GAS list, its the thing I need the least. Much as I hate to have to acknowledge this fact - a 100W valve amp is no practice amp! I have a powerball, and thats sitting nearly unused since I'm not gigging and I recently moved next door to two very old folk! I'm building an Isolation cab, and the instant its finished, the Chimera will go to the top of the list. Right now its a big 100W, £1500, untested and untestable Nice-to-have (*Probably* - like I say, its untested).
I thought the 50W chimera and the 100W were exactly the same apart from volume, so why do you want the 100W version?
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Because.
Thats why.
Anyway, 50s loud as all hell, 100 isnt that much louder, and I may as well have the hreadroom for when I need it and the extra tightness anyhow.
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I just re-did the numbers for a Chimera + shipping with the current exchange rate: £1900.
It was about 1450 when I first looked into it about 3 months ago :(
I do so love my powerball. All br00tal and shiny! Yay powerball!
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If you're after metal distortion and tightness at lowish volumes, but have an amp to run through, you could try a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Mayhem. I have one, and it pretty much does what it says on the tin, and does it very very well. Retails at around £130.
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The POD Farm is free, MDV. It was part of the Pod X3 but now Line 6 have raped them over with this free application. If you have the Metal Shop, you have models of a Triple Rectifier, Uberschall, Powerball, 5150, VH4, Einstein, etc., obviously they're models of the real amps. But you can stack two (i.e. Triple Rect. w/ Uberschall, which is what I use) and multi effects too. It's pretty much twice but as Tony says you can fiddle with it a bit so in reality you could get a better tone out of two rather than just one.
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Given that I have all the gear but none of the soundproofing to record proper amped guitars I have been having pretty enjoyable results with Guitar Rig 3.
I would love to find a really small amp that would do all my grind and black metal sounds though. The Splawn Competition and Cornford Hellcat have been of interest. Really I need an isolation cab.
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If you're after metal distortion and tightness at lowish volumes, but have an amp to run through, you could try a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Mayhem. I have one, and it pretty much does what it says on the tin, and does it very very well. Retails at around £130.
daft question of the month for me
you know how you can boost an amp to get a tighter sound, can you boost a distortion pedal for a tighter sound?
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If you're after metal distortion and tightness at lowish volumes, but have an amp to run through, you could try a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Mayhem. I have one, and it pretty much does what it says on the tin, and does it very very well. Retails at around £130.
daft question of the month for me
you know how you can boost an amp to get a tighter sound, can you boost a distortion pedal for a tighter sound?
you can cascade gain stages of pedals into one another, and it can sound sweet!
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I'm waiting for more reviews of the Blackstar HT-5 before I bite the bullet. A 5 watt 2ch valve head. Looks like it could potentially do everything you're after. Sadly the only demos of it up at the moment have it being run clean or a bit rocky. Not real high gainy stuff. Cheap as chips too at a shade over £200.
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I just re-did the numbers for a Chimera + shipping with the current exchange rate: £1900.
yeah, now's the wrong time to buy anything from abroad, unfortunately.
just to check, you included customs and VAT in those numbers, right?
:)
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I'm waiting for more reviews of the Blackstar HT-5 before I bite the bullet. A 5 watt 2ch valve head. Looks like it could potentially do everything you're after. Sadly the only demos of it up at the moment have it being run clean or a bit rocky. Not real high gainy stuff. Cheap as chips too at a shade over £200.
Ah hell, just done it. I guess it'll give me motivation to recover the cab and get a suitable driver for it.
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I'm waiting for more reviews of the Blackstar HT-5 before I bite the bullet. A 5 watt 2ch valve head. Looks like it could potentially do everything you're after. Sadly the only demos of it up at the moment have it being run clean or a bit rocky. Not real high gainy stuff. Cheap as chips too at a shade over £200.
http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/amplification/instrument-amps/guitar-stacks/ht5-s-mini-stack-179251/review
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I just re-did the numbers for a Chimera + shipping with the current exchange rate: £1900.
yeah, now's the wrong time to buy anything from abroad, unfortunately.
just to check, you included customs and VAT in those numbers, right?
:)
No I didnt!
DOH!
Well, thats it, no way I'm getting a peters now.
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I'm waiting for more reviews of the Blackstar HT-5 before I bite the bullet. A 5 watt 2ch valve head. Looks like it could potentially do everything you're after. Sadly the only demos of it up at the moment have it being run clean or a bit rocky. Not real high gainy stuff. Cheap as chips too at a shade over £200.
http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/amplification/instrument-amps/guitar-stacks/ht5-s-mini-stack-179251/review
Yeah, I read that and it pretty much made the decision for me. Given their scarcity right now (combo and stack are already pretty much out of stock everywhere) I thought I may as well snaffle one in the knowledge that if I don't like it, I reckon I won't lose a great deal selling it on.
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No I didnt!
DOH!
Well, thats it, no way I'm getting a peters now.
yeah, that's going to up the price by around a quarter... on ~£2000, that's about £500. Sorry, man... :(
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No I didnt!
DOH!
Well, thats it, no way I'm getting a peters now.
yeah, that's going to up the price by around a quarter... on ~£2000, that's about £500. Sorry, man... :(
Well, its certainly crossed into excessive x indulgencexrisk coefficient now. The moneys better spent on other things.
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MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!! - this will...
Oh - you tease!
HTH is building me a 10w version of the Tim Caswell/SIR Number 39 modified Marshall that Slash used on Appetite and George Lynch used for most of the Under Lock and Key Tour
We are using an 80s Transistor Marshall as the donor amp - giving us a nice stable cabinet , Chassis and Celestion 12" speaker.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/amps/30wMarshall.jpg)
I've got that #39 preamp in one of my own amps and its a face-melter for sure if you want to play 80s metal. It'll do other stuff too, but it's really tricked out and voiced for that hi-mid crunch that typifies 80s metal. I have another mod of my own that suits pretty much everything else (Catalyst77 has this in his 2204, as does Tim)
The amp me and MDV are talking about will come in somewhere between a Recto and a 5150 in terms of tone/gain.
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Krank Rev Junior?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200274972548&cguid=dc48342d11c0a0e205364046ffce828c (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200274972548&cguid=dc48342d11c0a0e205364046ffce828c)
Clip review
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t2VVPv8WUKE (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t2VVPv8WUKE)
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If you're after metal distortion and tightness at lowish volumes, but have an amp to run through, you could try a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Mayhem. I have one, and it pretty much does what it says on the tin, and does it very very well. Retails at around £130.
Just took a look at that. Looks good. I like.
I think I'll get something like this (all-valve-signal metal preamp) as well. You can never have too many distortions/tones available. So it might not be this exact one, but thats for the reminder that such things exist
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A bit on the dear side, but as you asked for the BEST, I think you should take a look at the new Voodoo Amps 10 Watt versions, they have released for most of their big amps.
Here is the VRock 10W:
http://www.voodooamps.com/home/Products/Amplifiers/VRock/VRock10watt1x12Combo/tabid/287/Default.aspx
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I have the HT5 and it'll need a pedal for *&^%$£" metal!
I use the distortion channel for a slight gain and have a pedal (thanks to twinfan) for distortion.
It works very well and i am very happy with the sound. Its darker and warmer than any amp I have had before. Great for Muff like tones and takes pedals very well.
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Oh, I got the duncan mayhem. Dont bother with them. Its ok, I suppose, but nothing special, and it broke really fast.
Hunter - 80s high gain =/= high gain!!! ;) We're talking low gain BR00TALZ here :twisted:
Anywho, HTH has something evil cooking...
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i suggest to you to get a preamp unit only,
like:
damage control demonizer
engl e530
engl e570
vht gp3
mesa boogie rectifier preamp
and that you can plug in whatever you want..
for example i have my demonizer connected to a compact mixer (mackie onyx 1620) , and that is connected to a small fullrange pa.. i can play over headphones, or over the pa, very quiet, our very loud too.
for several times, when i was at a friend for a jam, i had plugged my demonizer into tthe fx return of his 2dn amp he had, voila...works too.
and for recording you can also work with impulse-responses if you like.
cheers
exoslime
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Oh, I got the duncan mayhem. Dont bother with them. Its ok, I suppose, but nothing special, and it broke really fast.
Hunter - 80s high gain =/= high gain!!! ;) We're talking low gain BR00TALZ here :twisted:
Anywho, HTH has something evil cooking...
Yeah allright, I'm from yesteryear y'know :)
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duncan mayhem broke? what happened?
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Went very, very noisy, and moreso with slight taps of the finger and moving wires not connected to it nearby, so I figure a valve went microphonic on me.
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Dude, What about the Cornford Roadhouse????
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Its 30W
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Blackstar HT5 seems to be the best thing so far. I'll let you know what its like when I go back to play mine next week!
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Went very, very noisy, and moreso with slight taps of the finger and moving wires not connected to it nearby, so I figure a valve went microphonic on me.
hmmm, not great then. sorry to hear that. :(
btw, i've since been able to try the cornford carrera- assuming you're after br00talz, then it probably wouldn't do it. it's just about heavy enough for me, and i'm more 80s. :) (to be fair, though, that was with pretty vintage output humbuckers)
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Brewtalz tones are characterised by low headroom preamps/high headroom power amps. All you hear is basically the preamp. Bands like InFlames and Meshuggah sometimes even just plug in PODs into the PA live.
If you want low, low wattage for recordings, then even 1W is going to be too loud by the time you get to crank it all up.
I'd use the line out in one of your amps, or simply the master volume... Unfortunately because of the very design of metal amps, they're not meant to be pushed to 10 on the MV (hence the 50 to 100W ratings and the 50 to 100 preamp valves in :lol:)
Probably not what you wanted to hear, if your issue is volume. If not, then forgive me and I hope you find a compromise :)
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Check out the Egnater rebel.
I think this clip sums up nicely what it can do.
(note, not me)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1AX4LSQJkA
Keep in mind, that for the distortion tones he has it set to 1 watt.
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^I actually prefer his Blackstar HT5 demos to that, though obviously its hard to judge through a youtube video.. I think he's the guy I bought my HT5 off actually :)
edit - btw this is one of his blackstar clips, it's more metal than I'll be able to record :lol: http://www.petermiles.com/ampclips/Scary%20Psycho%20Rabbit%20-%20Mix%201.mp3