Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Will on December 20, 2008, 09:17:15 PM
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http://guitarvillage.co.uk/product-detail.asp?id=7171&catid=78&manid=119&quantity=1&product=Gibson+Les+Paul+40th+Anniversary+59+Reissue+Tom+Murphy%2C+Ice+Tea%2C+New%2C+Inc.+Case+COA+
£6,999 for that!
I specifically don't understand about the 40th anniversary listing, that would make it a (new) '99. Either that or they mixed up with the 50th next year. Mostly shocked by the price though, its disgraceful. Doesn't even look like the vintage ones, or any different from a standard R9 with all its historic incorrectness
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it is a joke. AAA maple top for crying out loud. I can get two Custom ESP Eclipse with 5A maple tops for that money and still have 1k left.
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What finish is that :? looks horrible!
I'm sure it don't look "ice tea"
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What finish is that :? looks horrible!
I'm sure it don't look "ice tea"
Indeed, it'd need to have some pretty serious re-spraying to achieve that!
(http://staging.pluggedin.com/artist/images/icet_122703_08082008.jpg)
Roo
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Bugger! :lol:
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It really does not look anything special.... but I had a Tom Murphy and let me say... I've NEVER played another guitar like it. I have 3 nice L.Ps... took me ages to get them as I played loads and loads. I guess that the biggest problem was that absolutely NOTHING I played, and I don't just mean Gibsons, ever came close! Remember SOME folk don't like over the top flame just as some love it! Shame I had to sell mine due to very personal circumstances, here's a pic or two....
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/d1dsj/Donimage001.jpg)
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yes some people do not like over the top flame but why charge them over the top price?
lets face it, that guitar is not worth more than 1500 quid at most.
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Sorry but I would disagree.... I'm not saying it is worth nearly £7000 or whatever either, but as Gibsons chief luthier he would not put together a guitar that was not something special. My mate has a Murphy aged gold top.... so painted top, but that guitar is also superb... something about that one too, for me it's even better than any of mine... '57 R.I Custom, Jimmy Page and a Custom shop L.P DC Pro and they are far from rubbish. To all intent and purpose it looks like any gold top, but there something going on with that one too. Never had the chance to compare the Murphy Gold top to the '59 R.I I had to sell... wish I still had it!
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And nobody has mentioned: thats atleast 3 x 5A(if thats what you're into) Feline with a few added extras (maybe some repro hardware etc)
I just don't know how Gibson get away with it.
Another thought, that amount of cash would cover a nice Les Paul, and a Historic make over with proper Brazilian thingy
d1dsj: You don't fancy making a thread and few pics of your JP '57 do you? ;) mini review too perchance?
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Crazy money. Looks like a £1200 standard to me.
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Sorry but I would disagree.... I'm not saying it is worth nearly £7000 or whatever either, but as Gibsons chief luthier he would not put together a guitar that was not something special. My mate has a Murphy aged gold top.... so painted top, but that guitar is also superb... something about that one too, for me it's even better than any of mine... '57 R.I Custom, Jimmy Page and a Custom shop L.P DC Pro and they are far from rubbish. To all intent and purpose it looks like any gold top, but there something going on with that one too. Never had the chance to compare the Murphy Gold top to the '59 R.I I had to sell... wish I still had it!
i see you are not up to date with Gibson's Quality control reputation.
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Sorry but I would disagree.... I'm not saying it is worth nearly £7000 or whatever either, but as Gibsons chief luthier he would not put together a guitar that was not something special. My mate has a Murphy aged gold top.... so painted top, but that guitar is also superb... something about that one too, for me it's even better than any of mine... '57 R.I Custom, Jimmy Page and a Custom shop L.P DC Pro and they are far from rubbish. To all intent and purpose it looks like any gold top, but there something going on with that one too. Never had the chance to compare the Murphy Gold top to the '59 R.I I had to sell... wish I still had it!
i see you are not up to date with Gibson's Quality control reputation.
Excuse me sir but I am indeed up to speed with some of their issues, however you are talking about a guitar made by a world class luthier. So YOU don't like it... that's cool. I had mates who are players that didn't like the look of the one I had because it looked too "nice", but when they played and heard it they changed their mind. I will say that to get my current L.Ps... 3 of them, I must have played in excess of 150 guitars... and none of mine are shoddy although I did see some that didn't look very clever. I will also say that if you think I'm just defending/ bigging up Gibson 'coz I play them then here's the funny thing, my Yamaha SG is a better built guitar than any of the Gibsons, infact it would be hard to find a guitar built to that level for the price...ANY price, but I prefer the sound of my L.Ps.
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And nobody has mentioned: thats atleast 3 x 5A(if thats what you're into) Feline with a few added extras (maybe some repro hardware etc)
I just don't know how Gibson get away with it.
Another thought, that amount of cash would cover a nice Les Paul, and a Historic make over with proper Brazilian thingy
d1dsj: You don't fancy making a thread and few pics of your JP '57 do you? ;) mini review too perchance?
Will do, here's a couple of pics with a couple of notes...
All 3 L.P's with my old amps, this was when I first had the '57 so it looked quite new...
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/d1dsj/Gibbos.jpg)
here's the '57 with damage, I've just had an aged re-fin done by Rob Williams who is a top luthier. He did a great job and I'll post some pics of it now. Just for the record, look at Rob's web site (just google Rob Williams) and you will see he does GREAT work, he commented on how resonant my '57 was for an all mahogany guitar... I was going to sell it to buy one of HIS LP.s... about £4000, he said I wouldn't bother... that's a great guitar!
Anyway, this guitar is going to get Riff Raffs in the new year, but until recently had the stock '57's in. I found them to be a bit dark... not bad at all, the guitar had a really big , phat sound. The neck did lack a bit of clarity too. I've got in there at the moment an S.D Brobucker/ Jazz neck (until I get the R.R's) and it sounds pretty good. Tim repotted the S.d's for me and fitted lightly aged gold covers. We had several conversations about the Brobucker (S.D custom shop) and he admitted that he actually liked it. I haven't played any gigs since fitting them, but at lower vols in the house it sounds much clearer, pinched harmonics are now possible with the Bro.
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/d1dsj/CIMG0192.jpg)
The Page I got from a mate who works as guitar manager in a local store. The pick ups are now S.D Bro/ Seth bridge and the wiring is RSGuitarworks vintage loom. It's a great guitar and gets a beating, the pick ups are great so no BKP's for this one as I'm happy with it as it is.
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u76/d1dsj/118-1870_IMG.jpg)
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That Jimmy Page is stunning...
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Sorry but I would disagree.... I'm not saying it is worth nearly £7000 or whatever either, but as Gibsons chief luthier he would not put together a guitar that was not something special. My mate has a Murphy aged gold top.... so painted top, but that guitar is also superb... something about that one too, for me it's even better than any of mine... '57 R.I Custom, Jimmy Page and a Custom shop L.P DC Pro and they are far from rubbish. To all intent and purpose it looks like any gold top, but there something going on with that one too. Never had the chance to compare the Murphy Gold top to the '59 R.I I had to sell... wish I still had it!
i see you are not up to date with Gibson's Quality control reputation.
Excuse me sir but I am indeed up to speed with some of their issues, however you are talking about a guitar made by a world class luthier. So YOU don't like it... that's cool. I had mates who are players that didn't like the look of the one I had because it looked too "nice", but when they played and heard it they changed their mind. I will say that to get my current L.Ps... 3 of them, I must have played in excess of 150 guitars... and none of mine are shoddy although I did see some that didn't look very clever. I will also say that if you think I'm just defending/ bigging up Gibson 'coz I play them then here's the funny thing, my Yamaha SG is a better built guitar than any of the Gibsons, infact it would be hard to find a guitar built to that level for the price...ANY price, but I prefer the sound of my L.Ps.
i see you have never played a Navigator either. Try one some day. Then you will know what a £4k LP is supposed to sound like.
the bottom line here is that no matter who made it and no matter what it sounds like, the price is ludicrous for what is on offer.
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Classic case of charging what the market will bear, they won't make many of them and there are people out there who will pay whatever the cost for a guitar made by a top class luthier.
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i see you are not up to date with Gibson's Quality control reputation.
i see you have never played a Navigator either. Try one some day. Then you will know what a £4k LP is supposed to sound like.
the bottom line here is that no matter who made it and no matter what it sounds like, the price is ludicrous for what is on offer.
Woah, hang on there, no need to start a pissingg contest. Have you actually played a Murphy? Murphys are a different kettle of fish to vos etc... it may be overpriced as far as most people are concerned but it will hold its value to the penny and will likely increase.
Gibsons general qc aint great for sure but have you actually played any old Pauls? The qc has never ever been good that's not what Pauls are about! :)
ESP are well made guitars for the price but you can't compare them to a Paul, apart from a similar body shape they are totally different! 8-)
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Sorry but I would disagree.... I'm not saying it is worth nearly £7000 or whatever either, but as Gibsons chief luthier he would not put together a guitar that was not something special. My mate has a Murphy aged gold top.... so painted top, but that guitar is also superb... something about that one too, for me it's even better than any of mine... '57 R.I Custom, Jimmy Page and a Custom shop L.P DC Pro and they are far from rubbish. To all intent and purpose it looks like any gold top, but there something going on with that one too. Never had the chance to compare the Murphy Gold top to the '59 R.I I had to sell... wish I still had it!
i see you are not up to date with Gibson's Quality control reputation.
Excuse me sir but I am indeed up to speed with some of their issues, however you are talking about a guitar made by a world class luthier. So YOU don't like it... that's cool. I had mates who are players that didn't like the look of the one I had because it looked too "nice", but when they played and heard it they changed their mind. I will say that to get my current L.Ps... 3 of them, I must have played in excess of 150 guitars... and none of mine are shoddy although I did see some that didn't look very clever. I will also say that if you think I'm just defending/ bigging up Gibson 'coz I play them then here's the funny thing, my Yamaha SG is a better built guitar than any of the Gibsons, infact it would be hard to find a guitar built to that level for the price...ANY price, but I prefer the sound of my L.Ps.
i see you have never played a Navigator either. Try one some day. Then you will know what a £4k LP is supposed to sound like.
the bottom line here is that no matter who made it and no matter what it sounds like, the price is ludicrous for what is on offer.
I'm not disagreeing that it's ridiculous that a lump of wood costs so much... let's just say that I KNOW what a real L.P SHOULD sound like, and if it weren't for my persoanl circumstance at the time I would still have the '59 R.I made by Murphy. I buy guitars that I can play, one of the reasons for selling that guitar was 'coz it was never going to be gigged. It was #8 of 10 built in '92 to launch the Historic series, and came with a certificate signed by him. If HE doesn't know how to make an L.P sound like it should then I don't know who could. Like it or not Gibson do actually make SOME good guitars... yes they've sold out and there are lots of quality issues, but from my expereince with them if you do get a good one generally it's a keeper. Also that '59 would be a real collectors piece now too (I'm no collector but don't mind admitting that I wish I still had it for my boys) and about 3 years ago was contacted by someone who wanted to pay some daft amount for it... let's just say I would have doubled my money! Would a Navigator do the same? And for your info Rob Williams also makes top quality guitars... Tele, strat and L.P types... anything you want basically, and I've played guitars that are costing up to 10K and are exceptional.... but are they worth that amount? I doubt it, but someone will buy them... I daresay if I could afford to buy one with the intention of gigging it then maybe.
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Classic case of charging what the market will bear, they won't make many of them and there are people out there who will pay whatever the cost for a guitar made by a top class luthier.
Exactly! nice one.
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This new one is not made by Murphy, just painted and aged by him.
Which makes the price all the more awful. You're paying about £4000 for his name.....
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This new one is not made by Murphy, just painted and aged by him.
Which makes the price all the more awful. You're paying about £4000 for his name.....
Doh!
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Rediculous. Anyone who pays that for that guitar should be commited.
Same old cr@ppy tuners, strap buttons and mediocre pickups.
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the phrase "a fool and his money" comes to mind :roll:
I will say though, I played a Murphy 'burst in Sound Control Newcastle (RIP) many years ago and it was a gorgeous guitar - uber-light, resonant and a fantastic tone right out the box. I seem to remember them asking £4k at the time which me and my mate thought was insane at the time (and still would even now). It did look like the real deal though, the aging was spot on.
Still, if I had £4k given to spend ONLY on guitars I'd have two R7s instead.
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acrylic inlays :lol:
not even real Mother of Pearl.
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acrylic inlays :lol:
not even real Mother of Pearl.
:? tsk tsk
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acrylic inlays :lol:
not even real Mother of Pearl.
I'm not sure the originals had MOP?
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fair enough if the originals did not have real MOP but why not give me real if you charge me that much? or why not charge me less?
I mean, where is the £7k value in this guitar? I see nothing special about it and no matter how good it plays or sounds (which is subjective), the cost of materials and the hours to make it do not justify the price.
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I find it interesting to note how adgitated people get over a £7k guitar - what really pisses me off is how expensive cars are, now that's REALLY bad value AND they depreciate much worse than any guitar. No guitar's value can go from £10k to well under £1k in ten years (unless it's smashed beyond repair).
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Look at it in context. It's just over twice the price of a VOS for a very limited edition custom shop with the Murphy ageing. From an investment PoV (and this is an investment piece, I can't see anyone buying it for gigging) not bad money. Now we can go into the evils of guitar investment all we like, but it exists and the manufacturers are in buisness to make money after all.
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acrylic inlays :lol:
not even real Mother of Pearl.
I'm not sure the originals had MOP?
I think they used abalone (sea snail shell) for inlays
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I remember visiting a Guitar Center store in San Francisco and they had a series of Les Pauls on the rack there, ranging from around $1,500 up to $11,500 - at first glance it just was not obvious what they major differences were - all Standards with essentially some form of sunburst finish - I remember my mate asking "Err, so why does that one cost 10 times what that one costs?" - good question!
I would agree with a previous answer - why does Gibson charge this much? "Because they can!" - there are folks out there who want the exclusivity of saying that their axe is a limited edition/VOS/Murphy etc and will pay $10,000 because they can - Gibson's strategy is to try to offer something to most segments of the markets and they do this via an ever increasing price banding. Not everyone thinks that this represents value for money but each to their own, I guess.
Hey ho - Merry Christmas to all the forum members
Mike