Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Pierre on January 15, 2009, 03:06:10 PM
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Besides Tonepros (Which are a little expensive for me...), what can I get as an upgrade for my LP? The hardware on it should be Gotoh though it says so nowhere (they are cast with 'Made in Japan' though, and Edwards uses Gotoh so I'll go with that). But I want black hardware for her, so I figured I'd upgrade a little...Looking for tailpiece + bridge sets or to buy seperately, if appropriate.
Where should I look into and what should I look for?
Thanks guys!
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Gotoh hardware would get my vote. Jonathon at Feline Guitars should be able to get what you need :)
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i am happy with Gotoh
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Or try WD Music.
The TonePros stuff is mostly modified Gotoh anyway - if you buy a TonePros tune-o-matic or tailpiece it's a Gotoh piece with a couple of locking grub screws added to it.
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Alright thanks... Looking into it, but I found some much cheaper Tonepros so it's likely I'll go for these.
However my LP uses ABR style posts (i.e the screw is in the body without inserts, and the thumbwheels are used to determine the height of the bridge. They don't screw in inserts).
Can I safely go with a Nashville style bridge? The T3BP seems to fit the bill, with similar post measurements, saddle spacing etc...
(http://donereachwest.com/guitar/images/BB/abr1.jpg) like this... thumbwheels are seperate.
This the type I want to use:
(http://media.zzounds.com/media/feed/large/GIBABRN.jpg)
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The post spacing is usually the same - 74mm - but it does seem to vary a tiny bit with different manufacturers. The T3BP has slightly bigger holes than the TP6, so you should be OK anyway.
With TonePros tune-o-matics, I think it's better to use Nashville-style posts rather than ABR-style (even with an ABR bridge). If you use the ABR posts, once the bridge is locked in place with the grub screws there's nothing to stop the thumbwheels moving around - which seems to defeat the object a bit, as the bridge could easily slip.
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Might not be appropriate but you could try this guy too
http://www.fake58.co.uk/
Mike
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Probably going to go for:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gotoh-Tuneomatic-guitar-bridge-BLACK_W0QQitemZ130281480734QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Guitar_Accessories?hash=item130281480734&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gotoh-Tuneomatic-guitar-bridge-BLACK_W0QQitemZ130281480734QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Guitar_Accessories?hash=item130281480734&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gotoh-Stop-Tailpiece-Black-Chrome-gibson-les-paul-sg_W0QQitemZ260241933036QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Guitar_Accessories?hash=item260241933036&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gotoh-Stop-Tailpiece-Black-Chrome-gibson-les-paul-sg_W0QQitemZ260241933036QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Guitar_Accessories?hash=item260241933036&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318)
The bridge looks like a simpler unit to mine which I prefer, and in total that'll be £36.9.
If I went for the Tonepros set from Thomann it'd be close to £75...
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One thing to watch out for: the Gotoh tailpiece studs have metric threads (M8) but your LP will probably have imperial threads (assuming it's a US model).
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Nope it's an Edwards, so it's all good. The tailpiece is definitely a Gotoh (I'd forgotten to check but it was cast on the underside of it. Doh) so that'll fit, and the bridge has got the correct hole size etc...
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job done :lol:
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Indeed, I just ordered the bridge + tailpiece from WD Music, for a little cheaper. Woot! Should be with me Saturday morning or Monday.
Issue now, I need to shim the nut :(
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Probably just as easy to get a new nut fitted, I'd have thought.
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Indeed. I usually do my own nuts but I can't be arsed this time, I've never done one for a Les Paul either... And this one keeps its tuning VERY well so it's easier keeping it, just taking it off, shimming, back on, et voila.
I can't do this myself as I don't have the right tools to plan the nut shelf if needed (glue tends to stick to wood and tear it aside when you pull the nut away) and the nut is also laquered along with the neck... I don't want to mess up the finish.
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I can't do this myself as I don't have the right tools to plan the nut shelf if needed (glue tends to stick to wood and tear it aside when you pull the nut away) and the nut is also laquered along with the neck... I don't want to mess up the finish.
Point taken. That's the thing that makes me hesitant about changing nuts, too.
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I can't seem to find decent CTS wiring kits in the UK.. :(
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Isn't there one on Axesrus?
It says:
£35.00
GIBSON STYLE LES PAUL ELECTRICS PACK
BLACK,IVORY OR AMBER TIPS
And:
4 CTS 500K LONG SHAFT AUDIO TAPER POTS. 60" WAXED WIRE MONO SOCKET GIBSON(loose packed) SWITCHCRAFT gibson TOGGLE SWITCH TWO .022 ORANGE DROP CAPS,
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Wow thanks! That's great!
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No problem, glad to help :)
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Got them today. They messed up my order... I'd ordered this baby http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/product/%27NASHVILLE%27_BRIDGE_BLACK_CHROME_GE103BB (http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/product/%27NASHVILLE%27_BRIDGE_BLACK_CHROME_GE103BB) and they instead sent me this one: http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/product/TUNAMATIC_BRIDGE_BLACK_CHROME_GE101BB (http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/product/TUNAMATIC_BRIDGE_BLACK_CHROME_GE101BB)
It fits but it's not the one I wanted dangit :( The thumbwheels fit onto the existing posts though and the bridge fits fine but still...
As for the tailpiece they sent the right one, but for some weird reason the studs are either metric and my guitar uses imperial, or the opposite...So until I check this out, I can't order the correct ones...The tailpiece is fine on itself, weighs a bunch, feels sturdy and looks amazing. But I wanted to use its black studs too. I'd rather not change the inserts alltogether as this could damage the guitar.
Disappointed...
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WD are very efficient, but they do have a tendency to occasionally mess up an order. They send me a long-shaft pot instead of a short-shaft one, and just last week they sent some CTS pots when I'd ordered CGE (but I wasn't really bothered either way).
As it happens, I quite like the narrower bridge they sent you - it's a neat modern replacement for an ABR-1. But it's not what you ordered.
I'm surprised about the tailpiece studs - I've replaced tailpieces on Edwards guitars before and they definitely use metric studs. And the Gotoh studs I've bought have also been metric. Is the guitar second hand? Maybe a previous owner pulled the metric bushings and replaced them with imperial ones? :?
WD will exchange the parts, if you contact them and send them back. Don't know how you'd get the correct studs though.
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For the studs I'll just order a set, will cost me around £12 shipped, I can then sell on or give away the older ones. But for this I gotta check which parts come with the set, and which I need... The website doesn't specify and they're not replying today on the phone, so I'll phone back on Monday.
I'm pondering keeping the bridge but dunno... It's got those reversed saddles, which the current bridge doesn't have, and the one I ordered doesn't have either. I don't want to dismantle it all in order to get the saddles back to how they should. So I think I'll send it back anyway.
Thanks for the tips :)