Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Pauldem on January 16, 2009, 01:53:20 PM
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Howdy,
I'm currently looking into baritone guitars as I have been using standards with odd string configs till now. I have a Musicman set which I really like but was wondering If I should look at the nailbomb for a grindier noise. The guitar I'm looking at will just have a bridge pickup.
Cheers
Paul
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Nailbombs are pretty grinding
Sounds fine to me.
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I normally work at drop C, so I just want to make sure I'm not losing any articulation. Cheers for the quick response :D
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Wez told us Tim suggested him Black Dog for his Baritone fannet fret guitar for Roobubba... They can give a better shot about how it sounds, but they were amazed by the tone
(as amazed that Roo played "Maybe I'm Amazed" together with his Paul's Live At Red Square DVD :lol:)
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Interesting, I don't know much about the Black dog pickups. I'l see if I can check it out. Many thanks
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Interesting, I don't know much about the Black dog pickups. I'l see if I can check it out. Many thanks
Made uppon Jimmy Page tone (old 500t on bridge), but a quick search will give you better answer than mine... :D
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I remember reading here that lower output pickups are recommended for baritone guitars, to retain clarity.
Hence the aforementioned Black Dog.
Woods and other specifications would be helpful for a recommendation :wink:
-Zaned
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Ah, well at this time it's a discussion with Jonathan at Feline. I currently use a homemade effort for the drop C, but the guitar is not really meant for such things. I was thinking about getting one made as I've not really been taken with those I've seen on sale.
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Wow! Good news! He build some damn sexy guitars!
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He built me this sexy little number and I'm hopeful to repeat much of the design on the baritone:
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/Genieworx/PICT3995.jpg)
Maybe not to everyones taste but she's a looker in my book :D Miracle man set in there to boot!
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yeah, took some convincing but we went lower output as tim suggested and couldnt be happier. Tim said he had done a lot of testing out with his pickups in baritones and Blackdog's were his favorite - so thats what we used.
For reference that was on a multi scale 26.5-28" baritone strung with 13-68's (or did we go 14-70 in the end - i gave roo some extra strings to experiment) and tuned AEADF#b
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Made uppon Jimmy Page tone (old 500t on bridge), but a quick search will give you better answer than mine... :D
I think it would be a replica of the replacement pickup Jimmy got wound when his PAF packed it in
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Good stuff, I don't know I'f i'll be sinking quite so low string wise as I'm hopeful to play a touch of lead. Does this not matter so much due to the scale length being greater? Lord knows what I'm doing at the moment, but I have a Jim root Tele with 12-52s that's doing the job. Very little know how has been applied to date :(.
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He built me this sexy little number and I'm hopeful to repeat much of the design on the baritone:
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/Genieworx/PICT3995.jpg)
Maybe not to everyones taste but she's a looker in my book :D Miracle man set in there to boot!
Nice, I've seen that on the Feline site many a time! :)
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Very kind sir. The baritone will essentially be the same but with one pickup in solid black with white binding I think. Should be fun once I get myself in gear.
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Made uppon Jimmy Page tone (old 500t on bridge), but a quick search will give you better answer than mine... :D
I think it would be a replica of the replacement pickup Jimmy got wound when his PAF packed it in
That's what I said (tryed at least :lol: he put a 500T on his '58 LP, isn't it?)
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He built me this sexy little number and I'm hopeful to repeat much of the design on the baritone:
Maybe not to everyones taste but she's a looker in my book :D Miracle man set in there to boot!
+1 on PhillyQ comment, at first I thought this was the guitar of JT, and them saw the PRSished one...
This is a sexy guitar! congrats! What was the inspirations?
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That's what I said (tryed at least :lol: he put a 500T on his '58 LP, isn't it?)
I think he got a custom SD wound thing in there, saying that, I think he went for a T top in the end :?
He had two '59s :P Apologies in general, I have been enjoying LZ quite recently and the way his tone varies is quite interesting.
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Seems I was wrong... :lol:
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He built me this sexy little number and I'm hopeful to repeat much of the design on the baritone:
Maybe not to everyones taste but she's a looker in my book :D Miracle man set in there to boot!
+1 on PhillyQ comment, at first I thought this was the guitar of JT, and them saw the PRSished one...
This is a sexy guitar! congrats! What was the inspirations?
Many Thanks it was a mixture of the following:
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/Genieworx/POI1.jpg)
and
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a238/Genieworx/937_image_zoom_Fender-Richie-Kotzen.jpg)
The top one being a Valley Arts/Samick frankenstein made for Blues Saraceno and the latter being a Kotzen Tele. I loce them both so decided to combine the 2 into the PH1 guitar 8)
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Good stuff, I don't know I'f i'll be sinking quite so low string wise as I'm hopeful to play a touch of lead. Does this not matter so much due to the scale length being greater? Lord knows what I'm doing at the moment, but I have a Jim root Tele with 12-52s that's doing the job. Very little know how has been applied to date :(.
you can probably get away with slightly hotter than we would have done but i still think its best to keep it lower powered and give it the extra push with the amp/pedals
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Yeah it's got 14-70s on it at the mo, Wez, will try the 13s at some point, but for now I'm happy with the 14s! It's fine for lead, you just need proper fingers (although you like Telecasters, so I'm guessing yours are a bit limp) :)
And Fernando: LOL :)
Re: Pickups - definitely worth considering the lower output. I have a miracle man in an Ibanez, and the black dog in my WezV baritone (see avatar and threads on these forums!), and the outputs are not all that different (less so than I had imagined they would be). The extra articulation afforded by the lower output black dogs really helps the fast low stuff, but they can still scream out lead runs too, thanks to the sheer amount of metal oscillating above them!!
Good luck with it!
Roo
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The top one being a Valley Arts/Samick frankenstein made for Blues Saraceno and the latter being a Kotzen Tele. I loce them both so decided to combine the 2 into the PH1 guitar 8)
I really like the Kotzen Tele. I've often been tempted to get one, but I've got a pretty similar Tele already so it would be surplus to requirements.
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Yeah it's got 14-70s on it at the mo, Wez, will try the 13s at some point, but for now I'm happy with the 14s! It's fine for lead, you just need proper fingers (although you like Telecasters, so I'm guessing yours are a bit limp) :)
How rude, though probably quite apt :D. I don't think Mr Roots tele is all that limp mind you, all told it's a bit of a monster. Here's my Feline monster doing its thing!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIeDrxOsWU (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIeDrxOsWU)
let me know what you think? 8)
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Yeah it's got 14-70s on it at the mo, Wez, will try the 13s at some point, but for now I'm happy with the 14s! It's fine for lead, you just need proper fingers (although you like Telecasters, so I'm guessing yours are a bit limp) :)
How rude, though probably quite apt :D. I don't think Mr Roots tele is all that limp mind you, all told it's a bit of a monster.
You'll have to get used to Roo and his Tele-phobic hangups :wink: . Although all told, I'm surprised he let you off so lightly there!
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Yeah don't take Roo's anti Tele comments to heart. It is all part of the banter and he will see the light one day.
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It's no problem at all and as I mentioned, he's probably on the money description-wise. :D
I think the thing I like about Tele's, as a metal player is that you don't see them out there. Jim Roots version is pretty much something I'd been considering for a custom guitar, until I got my Feline. Of late there has also been a new range of Charvel Teles released with the twin humbucker and Floyd rose, so there is a need for them. Along with the Kotzen Tele, I always remember Greg Howe having one with a Floyd that was amazing and a company called Robin guitars used to make a guitar called a Tedley that was beautiful. More Teles please 8)
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More Teles please 8)
That's what I like to hear! :)
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Yeah it's got 14-70s on it at the mo, Wez, will try the 13s at some point, but for now I'm happy with the 14s! It's fine for lead, you just need proper fingers (although you like Telecasters, so I'm guessing yours are a bit limp) :)
How rude, though probably quite apt :D. I don't think Mr Roots tele is all that limp mind you, all told it's a bit of a monster. Here's my Feline monster doing its thing!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIeDrxOsWU (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIeDrxOsWU)
let me know what you think? 8)
Hi Pauldem,
Really liked the video, some good writing and playing there, which is always of primary interest. I also really liked the fact that the top bulbous horn of your tele was kept mostly invisible in the video - thank God for that!
There was just one problem for me in that video: at 2:50, you lift up the axe and the top horn is visible - now, to put the next statement into perspective, I'll first have to outline why I hate telecasters:
I hate the top bulbous horn. It looks wrong, teletubby meets guitar. I also hate teletubbies, so you can see why this would be an issue.
I hate the stupid bridge with ugly metal backplate. Most 'metal' teles have done away with this, and that's to their credit.
I hate the metal strip behind the control knobs. Again, most 'metal' teles don't suffer from this hideous addition.
I hate the small headstock. It makes it look as though the guitar is in fact invented for shoving into people's arseholes. Never mind, eh.
Most of all, I have yet to see a telecaster player who looks cool with the guitar. In every single picture/video I have seen, bar none, the telecaster makes the player look like a c***muncher. It's not the player, necessarily, the vast majority are very good guitarists, and likely very nice people (as I'm convinced you are from your posts here, besides you obviously have at least some semblance of good taste, because you're on the BKP forums, right? :D). It's the guitar at fault, and it's a sad fact of life. :(
So, back to my previous statement, unfortunately, at 2:50 in the video, you have been afflicted, at the hands of the guitar, I might add, by the same problem faced by tele players the world over. It's a shame, because otherwise it's an excellent vid (and I really did enjoy it, thanks for sharing!!), and I reiterate again, good playing and good song-writing!!
Nothing personal, you understand :)
Of course, no-one else loses out by my dislike of teles, in fact, neither do I because I'm a 1-guitar man and I have the perfect guitar for me (see avatar, WezV custom baritone).
So, anyway back on topic, I think articulation is the absolute key for baritones. It's important to have an increased scale length (and I think everyone should own a multiscale instrument, too!) for the better string tension, and in this case you do need lower output pickups to cope with the increased mass of strings vibrating in the magnetic field. For your kind of music, clarity and articulation is definitely key for those fast low riffs, and I think that you'll struggle to maintain that with a high output humbucker like those in the contemporary range. As has already been said by Wez above, you can probably get away with a bit more than the black dog, but the extra gain coming from pedals/amp does give you more tonal flexibility in any case, so if it were me, I'd go for something like the black dog, or VHII. Have you asked Tim at BKP, yet? Give him a call, he's very helpful! :)
Like the others say, it's all part of the banter, and I can take a joke as well as I can give them out (better, because my jokes are rubbish...). Don't take my tele-hating ways to heart, although I'm afraid they won't change. I hate telecasters about as much as I hate the Beatles...
:D
Roo
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Oof, the Roo boy is back with all barrels burning! :lol:
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:lol:
Roo, prepare your soul, you're going to like a Tele... ;)
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Hi Pauldem,
Really liked the video, some good writing and playing there, which is always of primary interest. I also really liked the fact that the top bulbous horn of your tele was kept mostly invisible in the video - thank God for that!
There was just one problem for me in that video: at 2:50, you lift up the axe and the top horn is visible - now, to put the next statement into perspective, I'll first have to outline why I hate telecasters:
I hate the top bulbous horn. It looks wrong, teletubby meets guitar. I also hate teletubbies, so you can see why this would be an issue.
I hate the stupid bridge with ugly metal backplate. Most 'metal' teles have done away with this, and that's to their credit.
I hate the metal strip behind the control knobs. Again, most 'metal' teles don't suffer from this hideous addition.
I hate the small headstock. It makes it look as though the guitar is in fact invented for shoving into people's arseholes. Never mind, eh.
Most of all, I have yet to see a telecaster player who looks cool with the guitar. In every single picture/video I have seen, bar none, the telecaster makes the player look like a c***muncher. It's not the player, necessarily, the vast majority are very good guitarists, and likely very nice people (as I'm convinced you are from your posts here, besides you obviously have at least some semblance of good taste, because you're on the BKP forums, right? :D). It's the guitar at fault, and it's a sad fact of life. :(
So, back to my previous statement, unfortunately, at 2:50 in the video, you have been afflicted, at the hands of the guitar, I might add, by the same problem faced by tele players the world over. It's a shame, because otherwise it's an excellent vid (and I really did enjoy it, thanks for sharing!!), and I reiterate again, good playing and good song-writing!!
Nothing personal, you understand :)
Of course, no-one else loses out by my dislike of teles, in fact, neither do I because I'm a 1-guitar man and I have the perfect guitar for me (see avatar, WezV custom baritone).
So, anyway back on topic, I think articulation is the absolute key for baritones. It's important to have an increased scale length (and I think everyone should own a multiscale instrument, too!) for the better string tension, and in this case you do need lower output pickups to cope with the increased mass of strings vibrating in the magnetic field. For your kind of music, clarity and articulation is definitely key for those fast low riffs, and I think that you'll struggle to maintain that with a high output humbucker like those in the contemporary range. As has already been said by Wez above, you can probably get away with a bit more than the black dog, but the extra gain coming from pedals/amp does give you more tonal flexibility in any case, so if it were me, I'd go for something like the black dog, or VHII. Have you asked Tim at BKP, yet? Give him a call, he's very helpful! :)
Like the others say, it's all part of the banter, and I can take a joke as well as I can give them out (better, because my jokes are rubbish...). Don't take my tele-hating ways to heart, although I'm afraid they won't change. I hate telecasters about as much as I hate the Beatles...
:D
Roo
Hey Roo,
Well I'm glad I didn't post our cover of Helter Skelter :mrgreen:. This is the joy of forums for me, a common subject bringing together such a wide variety of opinions. Guitar is the perfect joy in my life and if I couldn't be outrageously biased in certain respects, well life'd be boring.
The guitars I detest look like this:
(http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Italia/PR/Italia-Guitars-large.jpg)
These guitars for me, are just the epitome of hideous and can normally be found adorning hateful bands like Franz Ferdinand. This is of course my opinion, but I can't be offering up apologies as I hate all bands of that ilk with matching kitsche guitars. Now if one of these bands had a tele, I could see myself disliking it intently. The problem is when I see Root or Kotzen I can't help loving the things and I also think they provide some good upper fret access :D.
I had a listen to the 13 Gauge toons and they've pretty much confirmed that Baritone is the noise I want moving forward. I especially liked Darklight, great bass noise as well. What Amps are you using for these recordings?
I've dropped Tim a line so hopefully I'll have a few more ideas when he comes back to me. Thanks again for all the advice and along with more Tele's, some more abuse would be fine 8)
Cheers
Paul
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Hi Pauldem,
Really liked the video, some good writing and playing there, which is always of primary interest. I also really liked the fact that the top bulbous horn of your tele was kept mostly invisible in the video - thank God for that!
There was just one problem for me in that video: at 2:50, you lift up the axe and the top horn is visible - now, to put the next statement into perspective, I'll first have to outline why I hate telecasters:
I hate the top bulbous horn. It looks wrong, teletubby meets guitar. I also hate teletubbies, so you can see why this would be an issue.
I hate the stupid bridge with ugly metal backplate. Most 'metal' teles have done away with this, and that's to their credit.
I hate the metal strip behind the control knobs. Again, most 'metal' teles don't suffer from this hideous addition.
I hate the small headstock. It makes it look as though the guitar is in fact invented for shoving into people's arseholes. Never mind, eh.
Most of all, I have yet to see a telecaster player who looks cool with the guitar. In every single picture/video I have seen, bar none, the telecaster makes the player look like a c***muncher. It's not the player, necessarily, the vast majority are very good guitarists, and likely very nice people (as I'm convinced you are from your posts here, besides you obviously have at least some semblance of good taste, because you're on the BKP forums, right? :D). It's the guitar at fault, and it's a sad fact of life. :(
So, back to my previous statement, unfortunately, at 2:50 in the video, you have been afflicted, at the hands of the guitar, I might add, by the same problem faced by tele players the world over. It's a shame, because otherwise it's an excellent vid (and I really did enjoy it, thanks for sharing!!), and I reiterate again, good playing and good song-writing!!
Nothing personal, you understand :)
Of course, no-one else loses out by my dislike of teles, in fact, neither do I because I'm a 1-guitar man and I have the perfect guitar for me (see avatar, WezV custom baritone).
So, anyway back on topic, I think articulation is the absolute key for baritones. It's important to have an increased scale length (and I think everyone should own a multiscale instrument, too!) for the better string tension, and in this case you do need lower output pickups to cope with the increased mass of strings vibrating in the magnetic field. For your kind of music, clarity and articulation is definitely key for those fast low riffs, and I think that you'll struggle to maintain that with a high output humbucker like those in the contemporary range. As has already been said by Wez above, you can probably get away with a bit more than the black dog, but the extra gain coming from pedals/amp does give you more tonal flexibility in any case, so if it were me, I'd go for something like the black dog, or VHII. Have you asked Tim at BKP, yet? Give him a call, he's very helpful! :)
Like the others say, it's all part of the banter, and I can take a joke as well as I can give them out (better, because my jokes are rubbish...). Don't take my tele-hating ways to heart, although I'm afraid they won't change. I hate telecasters about as much as I hate the Beatles...
:D
Roo
Hey Roo,
Well I'm glad I didn't post our cover of Helter Skelter :mrgreen:. This is the joy of forums for me, a common subject bringing together such a wide variety of opinions. Guitar is the perfect joy in my life and if I couldn't be outrageously biased in certain respects, well life'd be boring.
The guitars I detest look like this:
(http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Italia/PR/Italia-Guitars-large.jpg)
These guitars for me, are just the epitome of hideous and can normally be found adorning hateful bands like Franz Ferdinand. This is of course my opinion, but I can't be offering up apologies as I hate all bands of that ilk with matching kitsche guitars. Now if one of these bands had a tele, I could see myself disliking it intently. The problem is when I see Root or Kotzen I can't help loving the things and I also think they provide some good upper fret access :D.
I had a listen to the 13 Gauge toons and they've pretty much confirmed that Baritone is the noise I want moving forward. I especially liked Darklight, great bass noise as well. What Amps are you using for these recordings?
I've dropped Tim a line so hopefully I'll have a few more ideas when he comes back to me. Thanks again for all the advice and along with more Tele's, some more abuse would be fine 8)
Cheers
Paul
Christ they're repulsive
I agree completely.
However, theres PLENTY of hate to go around, and teles also deserve as much as as you can give them (though I think Roo has enough hate for telecasters to make even seasoned tele-haters such as myself superfluous to requirements!).
Rickenbackers too. By christ they're ugly.
And burns. Shockingly horrible.
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LOL MDV, cheers! :)
Pauldem - completely agree with you! Variety is the spice of life (and I also agree about 'hateful bands like Franz Ferdinand' - very well put!).
You're right, those guitars are truly hideous (and indeed I'll admit that your tele in that vid is nicer than any of those guitars - this is praise indeed ;)).
For what it's worth, those recordings weren't done with the new guitar, but a down-tuned ibanez (13-65 strings), with a miracle man. Because it's 25.5" scale length, the note definition is quite poor, but the sound tech who did those recordings with us was very good at capturing the best sounds and minimising the worst!
Since those recordings, I now have the lovely WezV Baritone and have also changed the speakers in the setup.
Those recordings were done with:
Ibanez RG -> Zoom 2.1u multi-effects -> Peavey 5150-II (ISP decimator ProRackG in the effects loop) -> Peavey 5150 4x12 cab (with Peavey Sheffield speakers)
Now the setup is:
WezV Baritone -> Peavey 5150-II (ISP decimator ProRackG in the effects loop) -> Peavey 5150 4x12 cab (with 2x EVM12L black label, 2x Celestion G12K-100) + Marshall 2x15" + 2 x8" bass speaker cab
I'm on the waiting list for a Bodenhamer Bloody murder (which I can't wait for!!!), and that should complete the setup, tighten up the front end a touch and give some more drive into the amp, too.
I'm much happier with the sound of the new setup, but haven't had a chance to record it yet (oh, and we have a new vocalist since losing the last one a year ago to knitting and poetry (aka protecting his vocal chords...)).
Hopefully we'll have some time in a recording studio before too long - we're just revamping the tracks with the new vocalist at the mo!
:drink:
Roo
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These guitars for me, are just the epitome of hideous and can normally be found adorning hateful bands like Franz Ferdinand. This is of course my opinion, but I can't be offering up apologies as I hate all bands of that ilk with matching kitsche guitars. Now if one of these bands had a tele, I could see myself disliking it intently. The problem is when I see Root or Kotzen I can't help loving the things and I also think they provide some good upper fret access :D.
Hmmm. I really, really don't want to do this :( . But.....
(http://version2.andrewkendall.com/images/photographs/livemusic/titp04_franzferdinand/main/titp04_franzferdinand_25.jpg)
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Christ they're repulsive
I agree completely.
However, theres PLENTY of hate to go around, and teles also deserve as much as as you can give them (though I think Roo has enough hate for telecasters to make even seasoned tele-haters such as myself superfluous to requirements!).
Rickenbackers too. By christ they're ugly.
And burns. Shockingly horrible.
Amen to the above good sir, horrid things that should thrown to the wastes.
Cheers for the kit breakdown Roo sounds like you have the perfect metal rig. I think Michael Amott has a similar vibe, though he may use the Rocktron hush in place of the decimator. Looking forward to hearing the WezV as well, looks like a sweet axe from the pics I've seen. Just more metal now i guess 8)
Oh and PhillyQ ....Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :cry:
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These guitars for me, are just the epitome of hideous and can normally be found adorning hateful bands like Franz Ferdinand. This is of course my opinion, but I can't be offering up apologies as I hate all bands of that ilk with matching kitsche guitars. Now if one of these bands had a tele, I could see myself disliking it intently. The problem is when I see Root or Kotzen I can't help loving the things and I also think they provide some good upper fret access :D.
Hmmm. I really, really don't want to do this :( . But.....
(http://version2.andrewkendall.com/images/photographs/livemusic/titp04_franzferdinand/main/titp04_franzferdinand_25.jpg)
This image is both shocking and heart breaking although I do believe that telecaster was stolen from The Feeling :D
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i have to say, that red hagstrom is gorgeous, spangly finish, lots of chrome, pearloid fretboard... beautiful!!!
the italia copy is awfull though
I quite like the tele!! I like the 70's ones with big strat headstocks - although me prefering bigger headstocks is in no way related to Roo's comment about where they should be shoved :P Franz were playing teles before anything else if i remember right, i did go and see them a couple of times
this is my latest tele:
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/mockup1.jpg)
going to be blue with zebra pickups i think... probably cold sweats.
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Wez, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think that's a shameful waste of a lovely bit of burl!
Still, at least it will be a lovely guitar to play...
And LOL @ Philly - that picture just about sums up modern day 'pop rock'! Interestingly, that tele only really has the top horn to hate, but even with just the one element in tact, it remains as dire and woeful as any full-blown cream/pearl/chrome effort!
Roo
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From top horn you mean the cutaway or the "belly" above the neck (on playing mode)?
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i completely agree with roo... i have always found the tele to be the worst looking guitar in the whole history of human civilization (except for those THINGS that would look much more appropriate in a dismissed bathroom - like the aforementioned Italias)... noone, NOONE can look good with one of those slabs of wood hung to his neck. and yes, the headstock gives me the exact same feeling, and i'm a surgeon - so i know a lot of things about objects born to be shoved up arseholes... :lol:
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How did this nice little thread about baritones turn into yet another "I hate Teles" thread? :? :P
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I think I might have joined the conversation... :)
And yes Fernando - I mean the top bit as you play above the neck which is not cut away. Same as the Les Paul, but for some reason the LP seems to manage not having a cutaway there without looking shite. :)
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i completely agree with roo... i have always found the tele to be the worst looking guitar in the whole history of human civilization (except for those THINGS that would look much more appropriate in a dismissed bathroom - like the aforementioned Italias)... noone, NOONE can look good with one of those slabs of wood hung to his neck. and yes, the headstock gives me the exact same feeling, and i'm a surgeon - so i know a lot of things about objects born to be shoved up arseholes... :lol:
True dat - its well known that the Zeelbacaster of Yolbinius 4 is the ugliest guitar ever created anywhere, by anyone. So unsightly and inelegant is its design that its players and anyone that goes to 'see' them live have to cut their own eyes from their head to save themselves the psychological trauma of viewing such a catastrophically hideous instrument.
But the telecaster isnt far behind.
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True dat - its well known that the Zeelbacaster of Yolbinius 4 is the ugliest guitar ever created anywhere, by anyone. So unsightly and inelegant is its design that its players and anyone that goes to 'see' them live have to cut their own eyes from their head to save themselves the psychological trauma of viewing such a catastrophically hideous instrument.
But the telecaster isnt far behind.
To quote GTA IV: "Cousin, I don't think I could love you more if you had titties!"
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the Zeelbacaster of Yolbinius 4 is the ugliest guitar ever created anywhere
WTF???
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True dat - its well known that the Zeelbacaster of Yolbinius 4 is the ugliest guitar ever created anywhere, by anyone. So unsightly and inelegant is its design that its players and anyone that goes to 'see' them live have to cut their own eyes from their head to save themselves the psychological trauma of viewing such a catastrophically hideous instrument.
But the telecaster isnt far behind.
To quote GTA IV: "Cousin, I don't think I could love you more if you had titties!"
:lol:
Fernando, the zeelbacaster is a guitar of extraterrestrial origin. Only one is known on earth, and its held at Area 51 behind 6 feet of lead in a room with no lights. The last person to take a peek at it went stark raving mad, and so damaged was his sense of asthetics by the experience he developed a crush on and began to stalk Cilla Black, and now plays a telecaster.
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It seems we have a revolution on our hands so here's the Gallery of cool:
(http://passzio.hu/kepek/koncertek/090218-Richie_Kotzen.jpg)
In an entirely heterosexual way this man is cooler and more talented than most people alive...He's even wearing Filp Flops!!
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3377/68226758bs0.png)
Ah the tele that started the 'love'!
(http://re.foto.radikal.ru/0707/2e/2a101a7b6a6a.jpg)
More sweet Tele action...No rude headstock weirdness to boot!
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/trevintieken/john5.jpg)
OOoo I just found this one, I think I need a new project! :D
Just some of the cool that comes with the Tele!!
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I'm sorry, but I can't not respond to those pics!
Top one: regardless of the quality of the player (and I don't think anyone is disputing that, the guitar still makes him look... you get the meaning. He also needs to eat more meat, but that's by the by ;)
Next up: "Electric Joy" LOL! I actually burst out laughing when I saw this pic! LOOK AT THAT POSE!!! I think he'd still look over-camp without the tele (I do have some gay friends, by the way, and the one I just showed this to agreed with me!), although the tele itself only adds to this appearance!
Next, the black 'metal' tele: Good points - lost the cr@ppy bridge and control plate, gained humbuckers. Bad points: Top 'horn' still ****ing shite, headstock awful. Overall: an improvement, but still rubbish.
Last up: LOL Good to see the sense of humour :)
You won't change my mind on this, but keep trying, it's funny :)
Roo
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Hahahah lovely picatures all round, but I will admit the Electric joy one is a touch of early 90's gay. It was more about the Ibanez which started me down the Tele road than anything else.
I could never try to convert as there are so many tele players that I can't defend, but I can appreciate the old country standard when she's done correctly. Here's some more candy that has nothing to do with my new found love of the Baritone:
(http://www.heartofaworshipper.com/Custom%20Telecaster%20FMT%20Blue.jpg)
Not too sure on the Blue but like the carve top.
(http://www.kenphillipsgroup.com/Phillips/Jeremy%20at%20Madison%20Square%20Garden.JPG)
sooper cool!
(http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/2d6fb8799aad1d741aa486934f3e87e2.jpg)
Not a tele but doing a great impression.
(http://dantheman1969.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/stef-vintage-t.jpg)
Mr Carpenter rules!
(http://www.radiokingband.com/jimmyguitar1.jpg)
Mmm Saraceno!
Ta
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Argh! My eyes!!! That white 7-string is HIDEOUS!!!! And it should be a fanned-fret build, too! ;)
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Argh! My eyes!!! That white 7-string is HIDEOUS!!!! And it should be a fanned-fret build, too! ;)
Can I ask what the fanned fretting actually does, I've seen it on some 7 and 8 strings. I'm sure it's about intonation, but I don't know the science behind it?
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Can I ask what the fanned fretting actually does, I've seen it on some 7 and 8 strings. I'm sure it's about intonation, but I don't know the science behind it?
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/done1-2.jpg)
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Argh! My eyes!!! That white 7-string is HIDEOUS!!!! And it should be a fanned-fret build, too! ;)
Can I ask what the fanned fretting actually does, I've seen it on some 7 and 8 strings. I'm sure it's about intonation, but I don't know the science behind it?
As I understand it, but bear in mind I am a bear of very little brain, the longer scale length gives better tension on the lower strings (which are correspondingly higher gauge, too) - in the same way you have 30"+ for basses and phat strings, which gives downtuned notes a much better sound - less likely to have fret buzz (proper string tension), the notes simply sound much better. But the trouble with non-fanned fret 6s, 7s and 8s, is that if you have very long strings on the treble side, in order to reach the correct pitch, the tension is too high so you'll end up snapping them all the time and it'll be really uncomfortable to play.
So, that's why fanned fret guitars are better :)
Please step in and correct me if I'm wrong, someone!
Roo
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(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/done1-2.jpg)
Thanks Fernando! :D
I take it this is your baby then Roo 8). Very cool and I like the liquid shape that still retains the metal vibe. It looks like there is a fair amount of math that goes into planning the fanned fret system. I was looking at the hardware that features on the Mick Thompson Ibanez, which of course is straight fretted. The hardware here looks all rather specialised, is it all custom?
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The bridge is, I believe, an adaptation of Doug and Blackmachine's method for his F8. The only parts that were not 'off the shelf' I believe are the tuners, and that's only because the standard locking Sperzels didn't have an aperture wide enough to fit the bottom string through! When Wez called them up, they sent out a custom set with pre-drilled holes large enough for the low strings (up to about 75ish I guess?) for a *very* reasonable price. Excellent customer service, there :)
Aside from that, the maths for where the bridge and nut go, at what angles, where your parallel point is (in this case, it's the 7th fret, but it could in theory be anywhere) is reasonably straightforward, but the exact placement of all of these (and of course the frets!) is of course more complicated than on a non fanned-fret build. It is, I've no doubt, a lot more work, but the result is a wonderfully articulate and piano-like tone on the cleans, and brutal attack when pushed.
I'm sure Wez will answer your questions much more accurately and succinctly than I can, though!
Roo
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It seems we have a revolution on our hands so here's the Gallery of cool:
I used that very same picture of Kotzen in this thread here:
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13972.105 (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13972.105)
There's no winning this argument (which is NOT to say that Roo is in any way correct).
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It seems we have a revolution on our hands so here's the Gallery of cool:
I used that very same picture of Kotzen in this thread here:
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13972.105 (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13972.105)
There's no winning this argument (which is NOT to say that Roo is in any way correct).
Yeah, but I am though, innit :)