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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: murraymurray on January 19, 2009, 10:48:18 PM
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Hey guys, been thinking about moving to london from New Zealand but dont have much saved at the mo thanks to constant GAS and a long holiday last year, just wondering if there's a minimum wage over there? and how much it is?
Just so if i do move and cant get a "real" job straight away whether i can get by on a stink jobs wages. Or whether I actually need to stop looking on the internet and constantly fueling the GAS so that I can save a lot more first (And also probably cutting back on the beer expenditure for a while I guess :( )
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there's a minimum wage here, yeah. i doubt it's anywhere near enough to live on in london, especially if you're on your own. it's somewhere around the £5 mark i think, depending on age.
you'd need to check visas and all that guff, just in case you aren't allowed to work when you get here...
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Closer to six quid if you're over 21.
But generally you'll be on higher wages in London to reflect the appaling cost of living in the City of Ignorance and Absolutely No Manners.
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Avoid London.
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I didn't know there was a 21 age bracket, but I think its £4.50 if you are above 16, and £5.50 above 18
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I didn't know there was a 21 age bracket, but I think its £4.50 if you are above 16, and £5.50 above 18
Prepare to be shocked and disgusted.
£5.73 per hour for workers aged 22 years and older.
£4.77 per hour for workers aged 18-21 inclusive.
£3.53 per hour for workers under the age of 18.
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Avoid London.
why?
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Avoid London.
why?
It's populated by roughly 1% humans and 99% mannerless, ignorant, rude, arrogant, pretentious buffoons.
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How objectionable of you. Not to say mannerless, ignorant, rude, arrogant, etc
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Cheers Guys, sorta calculates to the same as minimum wage here, but im on a fair bit over that luckily, and I think our general cost of living is less. would eventually be able to get an alright job, but just worried about the time it takes to sort something out and just having to take what i can when I first get there so I can make regular visits to the off licence for some cobra's
I was in london last may/june, there sure is a lot of horrible horrible "people", But i know some of the 1% who are all good and also theres a lot more good bands travelling through to see and laneys are cheap, also a new selection of hot birds to make a fool of myself to.
It's populated by roughly 1% humans and 99% mannerless, ignorant, rude, arrogant, pretentious buffoons.
But yeah, I thought it was more 1% humans, 90% of the others, and about 9% little bar-steward kids who wanna stab you. (im assuming any londoners on here are in the 1%)
But yeah just keen for a change possibly. Pretty much all NZers (including me) have grandparents from the UK so can get work visas pretty easily.
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Woah. Your username is my actual name... twice. That is all.
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It's populated by roughly 1% humans and 99% mannerless, ignorant, rude, arrogant, pretentious buffoons.
But yeah, I thought it was more 1% humans, 90% of the others, and about 9% little bar-steward kids who wanna stab you. (im assuming any londoners on here are in the 1%)
I dunno. I don't want to be in the 99% but I wouldn't consider myself entirely "human". It sounds a bit dull. :?
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Woah. Your username is my actual name... twice. That is all.
Yeah its my actual last name and also the name im known by mostly, so may as well be my first name too
Another related question, what %age do you have to pay in income tax over there?
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Moving to England any time soon might not be such a good idea at the moment. People are starting to lose jobs left right & centre over here.
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I'm married to a Kiwi, and my brother-in-law is over here at the moment AND living in London.
The major advantage of moving to London is the simple fact that you'll find loads of Kiwis and Aussies there, and there is a thriving Anzac community in London, so if you feel uncomfortable about moving to a new country you'll find a lot of your own countrymen and women in one place........which is useful should you wish to enjoy your rugby at any point! :D
Jobs-wise over here at the moment it really depends upon what skills you have, and what you can bring to the table. My Brother-in-law has only just got a new job in London, and even my mother (at 61) has just managed to get a new job out in the boonies, so ignore the doom-and-gloom merchants. Basically if you're willing to work, and have a brain between your ears there are jobs over here. The only thing that might hold you back is whether or not (like my wife and brother-in-law) you have the dual nationality and therefore hold a UK Passport as well as your NZ one. My wife has no problems with that as she was born over here and moved to NZ at the age of 6 months, but I know my parents-in-law had to take up the option from the NZ Government at sometime to apply for the dual nationality for my brother-in-law. The usual 2 year Visa otherwise given to Kiwis does make it tricky for employers looking to take people on for more long term contracts, and will put you at a disadvantage over others when applying for jobs, especially if you aim for work outside of London.
Otherwise you'd love it over here! :D The only thing is that you'll find it weird watching Super 14 whilst having your breakfast on a Saturday morning!
Whereabouts you from in NZ? Not a Jafa are you? lol :P
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You'll find the fact you get a teeny bit more in London of little interest, but also beware that the cost of living nearish London is in some places just as high, but you don't get as much cash to reflect this! I hate to break it to you Londoners, but life is not any less un-peachy elsewhere in the UK ;)
Roo
(PS I live in Oxford and work in London and Sutton)
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Portuguese nationality is OK? no problems at all?
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^ should be, portugal is in the EU. :)
obviously check it out, though, just in case i'm wrong.
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How objectionable of you. Not to say mannerless, ignorant, rude, arrogant, etc
Nope.
Just accurate. With the tiniest touch of exaggeration for effect.
If it wasn't for gigs I'd never ever have set foot in the place again after the first time. Hell, had it been an option I'd have have gone straight back to the airport after ten minutes. :x
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^ should be, portugal is in the EU. :)
obviously check it out, though, just in case i'm wrong.
I saw it on the EU website, but the speech is something but real life tends to be not 100% accurate :lol:
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I must say London scares me, not going to complain directly as I am scared there will be taunts of 'coun'ry folk'
Some of my distant family have been to NZ at one time or another (upon losing UK driving licenses) and from what I gather it is rather different, your main motorway is a simple dual carriageway to us, as well as the goodwill of the people there being different.
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Nope.
Just accurate. With the tiniest touch of exaggeration for effect.
If it wasn't for gigs I'd never ever have set foot in the place again after the first time. Hell, had it been an option I'd have have gone straight back to the airport after ten minutes. :x
Don't know if because I was speechless in being on 1st world for the 1st time or because I'm from third world and I'm used to rudeness, but I hadn't big problems there...
Could say three:
1) A guy on a store didn't understand me saying "pencil" (really couldn't understand why...)
2) Oxford Street, I was searching a store that only sells leather clothes and things and sellers didn't understand me saying "leather" (said in many different ways, but I think it's more because I wasn't looking to buy anything, and it's normal here in BR too)
3) Denmark Street: Unfortunatelly never have had a awesome service on any musical store I've ever been into, so, unfortunatelly there was the same, very bad service, beside a few stores I went (can't remember exactly which ones, think a bass store and the V&R, but I discovered in one of the last ones that I was misspelling Knuckle :lol: I was saying the K on it)
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Admittedly, the biggest city I regularly spend time in is Glasgow, which is examplary for manners. All the scoundrels who'll stab you in the neck for a fiver still hold doors open for folks and say please and thankyou :lol:
But compared to other big cities worldwide, compared to other capital cities especially. London is horrendous.
All my friends who live there should leave so I can go visit them :(
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Nothing you say is accurate, and in a city of 8 million residents plus lots of transients you are making giving the standard prejudiced northerner generalisation based on what can only be minimal experience. When you say Londoners - are you sure you are not referring to people coming from the north to do their shopping, because I've lived here most of my life and your description doesn't ring true for me.
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Nothing you say is accurate,
Teehee :lol:
and in a city of 8 million residents plus lots of transients you are making giving the standard prejudiced northerner generalisation based on what can only be minimal experience.
But what's the common demoninator amongst the plethora of northerners that hate the place? :lol: Given that folk from the south east seem to think everything above the watford ga is northern? That's a lot of people from a lot of vastly different cities and communities.
When you say Londoners - are you sure you are not referring to people coming from the north to do their shopping, because I've lived here most of my life and your description doesn't ring true for me.
Well, I imagine if I grew up in Tokyo I wouldn't consider New York to be very busy. Relativity no? So clearly if you have lived most of your life there you're not going to find it absurdly rude, since you're always gonna compare everywhere else to it, rather than compare it to anywhere else.
If you can find me a city where you hear please and thankyou less (anywhere in the world) I will be surprised. :lol: Now, admittedly, I've not been everywhere in the world, but I've been to a good deal of the major cities in Europe, the states and Australiasia and none of them inspire the same distaste that London does. I really wish it wasn;t the case, cause there's so much good stuff there to go visit.
Oh, and new sig, just for you.
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In my experience of cities ( & I have been to just about all the major cities in the UK and many in Europe and a few in the USA) I don't think London is any better or worse than anywhere else. Sure I moan sometimes when I have to go there for business because of the tedious nature of getting around but I was there last week (on business) and had a few hours to kill and wandered around the city and thoroughly enjoyed myself looking up old haunts and bringing back memories ( I don't normally get the time to do so). If you look for bad, you will find it just as you will find good if you look for that. For the record, I love Glasgow too.
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Each city has it's own positives and negatives.
Yes London in my experience (and I've had one hell of a lot of experience of it when my girlfriend - now my wife - lived in St Johns Wood) is a great city for seeing the sights, and getting out and doing things you only normally see on the TV. I regularly go down to take in the shows down there whether at Covent Garden or in the West End. Great fun city..........but heaven help you if you suffered a heart attack on the street because people WOULD simply walk straight past you. It's not that Londoners are unfriendly (get to know them and they're as hospitable as any Brit), it's just that they're always too consumed with their own existences.
Now Manchester you could have a heart attack in the street and someone would stop to help.......that's if some gand of kids hasn't nicked your wallet already. I spent 5 years in Manchester at Uni and loved it, but I no loner feel safe when I go back up there to see friends. Now at 6'5" I'm easilly big enough to look after myself so I don't know why I feel like that, but I just do. The people are all still just as friendly though.
Then you get the likes of Paris. Every Brit I know says that Paris is the most unfriendly city in the entire world, but I speak French and have never found a problem with it.
It's just simpler to base your opinions on your own experiences and take everyone elses views as their own.
And Fernando.......you should come to Norfolk! Portugese is the second language after English here, due to the large Portugese population who wok over here
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Each city has it's own positives and negatives.
Agreed!
And Fernando.......you should come to Norfolk! Portugese is the second language after English here, due to the large Portugese population who wok over here
Well, thanks for the tip.. Nortfolk is exactly where?
One of the reasons I'm getting out to try to become a guitar builder (or in a longer shot) tattoo artist... This means double shift for a while, I think :lol: So I *think* I might go to the big cities... But, have never been on the countryside, so not sure if I'm thinking right... Here in BR, forget about it outside cities with more than million people...
And for portuguese, damn I speak it for 24 year, want to speak a top notch english (been working on, think I got better since I start here and other things...)
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Great fun city..........but heaven help you if you suffered a heart attack on the street because people WOULD simply walk straight past you. It's not that Londoners are unfriendly (get to know them and they're as hospitable as any Brit), it's just that they're always too consumed with their own existences.
I think that's a pretty fair description.
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I don't mind London too much. I still find all the people a bit wierd (the amount, not the people....... well some of the people). I think it's what you make of it.
If you have chance to move from NZ to the UK, then give it a bash. I've been trying to move the other way for years and now that I'm married with a sprog on the way, I think the chances of it are getting les everyday. I'd do something about it before you end up living in a place that you really don't want to like I have.
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Great fun city..........but heaven help you if you suffered a heart attack on the street because people WOULD simply walk straight past you. It's not that Londoners are unfriendly (get to know them and they're as hospitable as any Brit), it's just that they're always too consumed with their own existences.
I think that's a pretty fair description.
I disagree. I'm no fan of any city, but I have lived in London, and I worked there for a year as a despatch rider.
In that time I made a lot of friends, and got a lot of help.
I fell off my CX500 in some street in the City one day (think I was EC1 going W1 POB! :) ) and a posh young yuppie guy in a business suit piled in to help me pick that big old piece of junk up, in the rain, covered in muck and bullets.
A few months later I got knocked off the bike by a van in a street in Battersea, near a market. The (mostly black) stall holders rushed over, helped me up, put my bike on the stand and detained the van driver until he coughed up insurance and other details.
People are people in my experience.
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Great fun city..........but heaven help you if you suffered a heart attack on the street because people WOULD simply walk straight past you. It's not that Londoners are unfriendly (get to know them and they're as hospitable as any Brit), it's just that they're always too consumed with their own existences.
I think that's a pretty fair description.
I disagree. I'm no fan of any city, but I have lived in London, and I worked there for a year as a despatch rider.
In that time I made a lot of friends, and got a lot of help.
I fell off my CX500 in some street in the City one day (think I was EC1 going W1 POB! :) ) and a posh young yuppie guy in a business suit piled in to help me pick that big old piece of junk up, in the rain, covered in muck and bullets.
A few months later I got knocked off the bike by a van in a street in Battersea, near a market. The (mostly black) stall holders rushed over, helped me up, put my bike on the stand and detained the van driver until he coughed up insurance and other details.
People are people in my experience.
And if you look at that against when I came off my bike on a country road (leaning in to a corner and had to sit it up otherwise I would have had a BMW badge lodged in my forehead). About 6 cars drove past looking at me sitting there hurting and the only bloke that stopped was an Aussie in a Bedford Rascal delivering flowers. BMW was long gone.
I think that everywhere you go, there are a certain percentage of nice people and a certain percentage of arseholes. There's goingto be more arseholes in London, there's more people. Although the vast majority of people I've met in London have been alright. There's no way I could live there though, way too busy for me. I went down for a party at new year and had to cross the North Circular. When I was stuck at the lights, the equivalent of the entire population of this village drove by in one go. :?
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I grew up in the country in Yorkshire (just outside Bradford in 2 different places, Calverley, which was still very much a village, and Saltaire, which had joined to Shipley to make more of a town). My job in England had me working in serveral towns, including London, and they never bothered me. In 1980 I moved to New York, which was a culture shock in many ways, but I have lived here on and off since then. In late 1988 I moved to London with work and lived first in the Isle Of Dogs (pre-Canary Wharf), and then in Bishop's Park in Fulham. I moved back full time to the the USA in 1991 and was back working in New York. In 2004, I moved back to London with work and was there about 15 months, living in Fulham again (though this time in Imperial Wharf). I also spent a lot of time in London from 1981-1984 because I was working on projects for the London office. Through the years London has got a lot more crowded and the infrastructure is severly strained (the number of times there were problems on the tube in my last spell there wouldn't be accepted in New York). I never had problems there (or in New York really, other than 2 tw@ts who tried to mug me at 3:00PM when I was coming out of work in 1992, they didn't think I would fight back and they really didn't know how loud I can shout - I can trip the noise meters by myself :D ). I do know people who have had problems in London late at night when they were worse for wear through drinking, and this has gotten more common through the years. Having said that, I am a cyclist and used to ride to work, and very rarely had problems with drivers or pedestrians and always had a nod or wave from most other cyclists. Most people do keep to themselves a bit but that is the same in New York (possibly even more so here).
Big Cities have their own dynamic and just because of that the people are more in a rush and don't talk to strangers as much (think how many strangers you meet in a day in a city versus in the country and you can see why!). However it doesn;t mean that people are not friendly. When I moved to New York at first I didn't know anybody, and within a few weeks had made many friends, though my being English might have helped with the ladies (one of the few places where a Yorkshire accent is an asset). The same thing in London, though perhaps people don't start talking as easily in London.
In terms of safety, I think you develop more awareness in a city (New York had some really bad neighbourhoods when I first moved here), and I do think that the balance has switched between London and New York, where I don't think about safety in New York as much as I do in London. Either way, you will either like cities or hate them, I don't really think there is an inbetween. If I could live anywhere then I probably would pick a villa in Italy on the Amalfi coast, which probably means that I'm still a country boy at heart, but I don't mind living in a city, and both London and New York are exciting in their own ways.