Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Philosoful on January 23, 2009, 09:40:53 PM
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I've just fitted a milimeter riser for my nut (yes, 1mm) and oh my, the tonality is soooo much better, it's amazing. Combine that with my new found love for extremely tight strings (65-11 on a 27" 7 string, soon to be 75-11) = bell like tone, and running it all through a Diezel Herbert = Bliss, I just need some decent cables now :lol:
Anyone else a fan of huge strings or higher action?
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Anyone else a fan of huge strings or higher action?
Me :D
What did you use to rise the nut?
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Anyone else a fan of huge strings or higher action?
No! :wink:
I can hear that it "improves" the tone, I guess, but that's no good to me if I can't play it. I have enough trouble playing with light strings and a low action, I don't want to be constantly fighting the guitar.
I glad you like 'em though, whatever floats your boat! :)
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Anyone else a fan of huge strings or higher action?
Me :D
What did you use to rise the nut?
And me. My action isn't THAT high, but I pick hard as hell if I'm playing aggressive riffing and it's buzz city if you've shredders type action.
I can't get on with anything lower than 12 in standard tuning. 11's at a push on strats and teles for some extra spankiness.
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I don't want to be constantly fighting the guitar.
I just LOVE :twisted:
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Fernando, a single mm piece of stainless steel my friend machined for me! Check it out:
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/35/l_b707970b35bb4f3dbbb741464316789c.jpg)
You can just about make it out...
Anyone else a fan of huge strings or higher action?
No! :wink:
I can hear that it "improves" the tone, I guess, but that's no good to me if I can't play it. I have enough trouble playing with light strings and a low action, I don't want to be constantly fighting the guitar. I appreciate how you worded your responce, seen too many forums where if it's not the same as the narrator of the post, you ARE wrong/can't appreciate it, etc. Rant over :lol:
I glad you like 'em though, whatever floats your boat! :)
Haha, nah man, your spot on, I don't like the awkwardness! However sound over playability for me anyday.
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Huge strings, yes, high action, no.
Has your intonation over the board held up after doing that?
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I can hear that it "improves" the tone, I guess, but that's no good to me if I can't play it. I have enough trouble playing with light strings and a low action, I don't want to be constantly fighting the guitar.
I glad you like 'em though, whatever floats your boat! :)
same here. :lol:
EDIT: i don't use too low an action, though, i find bends etc. easier with a slightly higher action. not high, but higher than "as low as it goes". i definitely set my guitars up to be as easy to play as possible...
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Tried the huge strings, yeah they sound bell like, but I am thinking that I prefer all those classic guitar tones.
I have 10-52 on one of my guitars, and thats bell like enough that I am not actually playing it, far more fun with the 10-46 (kahler won't take larger guage without a bit of filing).
I prefer higher action for lead playing :?
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Fernando, a single mm piece of stainless steel my friend machined for me! Check it out:
You can just about make it out...
Thought it was on yours build (with no floyd, if I remember right) :)
Some FR bridge comes with a set of it, if I'm not wrong
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EDIT: i don't use too low an action, though, i find bends etc. easier with a slightly higher action. not high, but higher than "as low as it goes". i definitely set my guitars up to be as easy to play as possible...
Yeah, I agree with that. I said I like light strings and a low action, but I guess it's really low-"ish"- high enough that I can hit a string fairly hard without it buzzing.
And the strings are bog-standard 10-46 - light, but not rubber bands. I like to be able to do bends and vibrato and feel like I'm controlling the strings, they're not going to pop out from under my fingers.
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Yeah I like higher action as well, low action feels weird to me. 11s on a Les Paul in Eb is just the right amount of tension as well, it feels solid yet somehow slinky at the same time.
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Lowish action (but not too low!), and phat strings. Currently using 14s.
Roo
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I use 10-52s in standard, but the larger you go, the less brilliant harmonics you get coming off the string. Too large and you'll really dull down the sound of your instrument.
I set my guitars up so that the nut slot is cut as low as possible - literally can't fit a rizla between the first fret and the string, the neck is kept completely straight, and the action is controlled by the bridge. It's odd at first, because even with the action stupidly low, there is no fret buzz, and I pick pretty damn hard.
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I use 10-52s in standard, but the larger you go, the less brilliant harmonics you get coming off the string. Too large and you'll really dull down the sound of your instrument.
I set my guitars up so that the nut slot is cut as low as possible - literally can't fit a rizla between the first fret and the string, the neck is kept completely straight, and the action is controlled by the bridge. It's odd at first, because even with the action stupidly low, there is no fret buzz, and I pick pretty damn hard.
Absolutely +1
Too thick strings are too stiff, they don't ring out right to my ears.
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I set my guitars up so that the nut slot is cut as low as possible...and the action is controlled by the bridge
thats what i go with too
... tuning suffers if you have to push the strings too far... bridge intonation adjustment can only correct for so much of that and has very little effect near the nut so i wouldnt be surprised if raising the nut has made your first few frets a little sharp... worth checking!!
but if somebody does like playing with a higher nut action thats ok, but they should really consider getting some kind of compensated nut on there to correct it. this is sometimes also usefull for people who want to swap between slide and normal playing on the same guitar
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I set my guitars up so that the nut slot is cut as low as possible...and the action is controlled by the bridge
thats what i go with too
... tuning suffers if you have to push the strings too far... bridge intonation adjustment can only correct for so much of that and has very little effect near the nut so i wouldnt be surprised if raising the nut has made your first few frets a little sharp... worth checking!!
but if somebody does like playing with a higher nut action thats ok, but they should really consider getting some kind of compensated nut on there to correct it. this is sometimes also usefull for people who want to swap between slide and normal playing on the same guitar
Oh, by way of "while I remember", in one of our new tracks, I'm playing a riff with a slide on the Vociferator - takes a bit of getting used to the angles required for slide-chords (A-E-A strings, for example) though!
And I'd like to highlight the 'normal tuning' in Nolly's statement: bigger strings don't dull the sound of the instrument if you tune down (and even with a black dog, I'm finding pinch harmonics really really easy on the Vociferator!)
Roo
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Yeah, I agree with that. I said I like light strings and a low action, but I guess it's really low-"ish"- high enough that I can hit a string fairly hard without it buzzing.
And the strings are bog-standard 10-46 - light, but not rubber bands. I like to be able to do bends and vibrato and feel like I'm controlling the strings, they're not going to pop out from under my fingers.
yeah, same here (with the action).
i generally use 9s on a 25.5" scale... need to do a little experimenting with 24.75" and 25", from what i've seen so far, 9s can be a bit slack but 10s are a bit stiff... :lol:
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And I'd like to highlight the 'normal tuning' in Nolly's statement: bigger strings don't dull the sound of the instrument if you tune down (and even with a black dog, I'm finding pinch harmonics really really easy on the Vociferator!)
Roo
Hmm, I disagree on that. Also, I'd say the tuning itself alters the tone a guitar produces quite massively. It was quite an eye-opener to go back to tuning in E standard-based tunings, the additional punch and directness is very noticeable, and we're talking about correspondingly balanced string sets here too.
I wasn't talking about pinch harmonics btw, I mean the sets of harmonics that the vibrating string creates.
In your case as well, you've got an extended scale, which fundamentally changes the way your instrument sounds, and would certainly help accentuate the higher frequencies.
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As much as that's your view and cool for you! I disagree Nolly, I am loving the tone of huge strings and they ring out like crazy, my guitar has never resonated more. Not saying your wrong or right but, yeah :)
Huge strings, yes, high action, no.
Has your intonation over the board held up after doing that?
That was one thing I was fearful of and it is fine! Going to double check it soon but it is pretty much spot on, one or two strings need replacing but otherwise all is pretty awesome!
Fernando, a single mm piece of stainless steel my friend machined for me! Check it out:
You can just about make it out...
Thought it was on yours build (with no floyd, if I remember right) :)
Some FR bridge comes with a set of it, if I'm not wrong
Ha, nah, that's my Conklin 8, simularly like the above poster Bill (Conklin) is concerned that it would raise intonation issues but I've mailed him with my recent experimentation and I'll see what he says soon. He said ages ago my guitar will have low action and great tone but re emailed the above latley - great tones one thing, greatER tone is another :D