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Title: I get the feeling
Post by: Spitfire on January 28, 2009, 09:29:47 PM
some people buy things just to show them off here...
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Philly Q on January 28, 2009, 09:53:43 PM
You need some evidence to support your case!
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Twinfan on January 28, 2009, 09:56:57 PM
I buy stuff because I like it / want it / need it.  No other reason!  :D
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Philly Q on January 28, 2009, 09:59:36 PM
And I buy stuff because I like it / want it / need it.   :P
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Ian Price on January 28, 2009, 10:07:17 PM
I buy stuff because I like it / want it / need it.  No other reason!  :D

Me too! Although I haven't really bought anything recently.

EDIT - apart from the signature lp I recently bought from Twinfan!
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Jonny on January 29, 2009, 01:53:21 AM
I kind of see your point, but you'll need to elaborate in case I'm kicking myself.

But I don't really see me buying shitee just to get my post count up.

I'm trying to keep the guitar buying urges back a bit to be honest, until I have a place of my own then I'll be spamming group shots like a mad man.

But I wouldn't think to buy something for the reason to post. Bit silly.

This is obviously about the forum, so I might as well give a little thought of my own:

I feel this forum has suddenly gone down the drain somewhat. A few are nitpicks but others are just - annoying as $%&#, I suppose the other side of the spectrum would be.

And as well as before this 'period' there were a few things that I found distasteful and somewhat - unfair I suppose, but that's life.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: ChunkyMunky on January 29, 2009, 02:06:16 AM
If you have your prized possession in the form of a guitar or amp or whatever, I'm sure you're gonna want to flash it if everyone else does it (Twinfan's and various other gas threads spring to mind), then simply why not?

Of course it'd be just plain silly to buy a piece of gear to flash it deliberately....

Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: JDC on January 29, 2009, 04:15:19 AM
if people only bought gear to show it off here, why isn't there a new pick day thread :P
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Twinfan on January 29, 2009, 09:17:53 AM
It's the nature of forums.  We talk about 'stuff', buying new 'stuff' is interest to the other posters on the forum, so we post 'stuff'.  Happens with guitars, pickups, bikes, train sets, whatever!

Not sure what you mean about this forum 'going down the drain' Jonny?  What's the problem?
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: PPPMAT on January 29, 2009, 01:04:21 PM
Would be cheaper tp 'say' I bought a few things and show them off - like that nice R9 i just 'bought' for £3456897876790 (+ VAT) - honest

It is nice to show your stuff off to people who appreciate it - If i ring my brother and tell him about my spangly new 335 I just bought he would go 'a 33 what' - isn't that a BMW?

Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: sgmypod on January 29, 2009, 01:09:12 PM
I like shiny things!!
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Jonny on January 29, 2009, 01:48:29 PM
I saw a kind of prestige-ness in this forum, but recently it's getting tarnished.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Ian Price on January 29, 2009, 01:51:22 PM
Is that a prestige-ness in terms of how we communicate to each other on here or a prestige-ness in terms of equipment/gear (or both!)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Jonny on January 29, 2009, 02:22:56 PM
The communication and overall environment of the forum.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on January 29, 2009, 02:50:40 PM
Would it be better if we had a separate section for all the NGD/ NAD  and look at all my stuff  categories?

I have certainly been a little less active on here  for a while and feel that that feel of the place has changed a bit when I look in.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Afghan Dave on January 29, 2009, 03:34:06 PM
Would it be better if we had a separate section for all the NGD/ NAD  and look at all my stuff  categories?

I have certainly been a little less active on here  for a while and feel that that feel of the place has changed a bit when I look in.

I agree on both points...

There is a time and place for NGD/NCD/NPD/NSTID... but it gets to be overkill damages the focus and utility of the forum.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Spitfire on January 29, 2009, 03:44:26 PM
I think its the lack of order.... their was order to the gallery section before... it was look at the posted pics by the BK lot.. and the seconds out, its just a big mess now.  I say bring back some order to this place.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Philly Q on January 29, 2009, 04:41:11 PM
I think its the lack of order.... their was order to the gallery section before... it was look at the posted pics by the BK lot.. and the seconds out, its just a big mess now.  I say bring back some order to this place.

I agree with that.

But coming back to the NGD threads, they tend to be the most active threads of all - so I'm a bit surprised people are complaining about them.  I don't suppose it would do any harm to have them in their own section.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Jonny on January 29, 2009, 04:51:36 PM
I think its the lack of order.... their was order to the gallery section before... it was look at the posted pics by the BK lot.. and the seconds out, its just a big mess now.  I say bring back some order to this place.
+1

Plus if people post in Seconds Out on old posts, then that knocks it up to the top. If the user just PM'd then it'd be more fair.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dave_mc on January 29, 2009, 04:54:31 PM
You need some evidence to support your case!

twinfan!

just kidding. i buy stuff because i want it... forums don't help though. i'm not buying stuff to show off (most of the time i get a NGD i don't even make a thread), but they do make you aware of cool stuff you may not have noticed without the forum's help...

EDIT: i don't have a problem with NGDs. don't really have a problem with order either, but then i only really go into the two spam forums and the gear forum... i like being able to post in seconds out. like most things, i'm not much in favour of stuff which penalises the vast majority of great members of this forum just because a few people use it badly...
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Jonny on January 29, 2009, 04:57:19 PM
Maybe someone should whack up a poll and we'll get deciding what are the most popular decisions.

Or something.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Twinfan on January 29, 2009, 05:04:35 PM
You need some evidence to support your case!

twinfan!

:o  The cheek of it.

It's a chat forum about guitars, pickups, amps, etc.  Why the surpise about NGD posts?  They're guitars, and we want to chat about them?

If you don' t like the post, or you're not interested, don't read it!  Standard forum practice  :)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: _tom_ on January 29, 2009, 05:07:38 PM
I wouldnt say the forum has gone downhill.. or does that mean I'm part of the problem? :lol:

I dont really like the ability to post replies in seconds out though, but it would be nice to be able to edit posts in there as you couldnt do that before for some reason.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Crazy_Joe on January 29, 2009, 05:11:46 PM
I wouldnt say the forum has gone downhill.. or does that mean I'm part of the problem? :lol:

I dont really like the ability to post replies in seconds out though, but it would be nice to be able to edit posts in there as you couldnt do that before for some reason.

Agreed. I used to hate the fact you couldn't edit in seconds out, you had to make a completely new thread.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Tellboy on January 29, 2009, 06:30:19 PM
Would it be better if we had a separate section for all the NGD/ NAD  and look at all my stuff  categories?

I have certainly been a little less active on here  for a while and feel that that feel of the place has changed a bit when I look in.

I agree on both points...

There is a time and place for NGD/NCD/NPD/NSTID... but it gets to be overkill damages the focus and utility of the forum.

+1 - Would find all the NGD/NAD entries to be more useful if they sometimes included soundclips, else as Feline says it just comes over as "look at all my stuff" -  after all we are supposed to play them, not just look at them.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dave_mc on January 29, 2009, 08:05:18 PM
^ i wonder how many extra orders feline/jonathan gets because of all the NGDs about Felines... ;)


:o  The cheek of it.

It's a chat forum about guitars, pickups, amps, etc.  Why the surpise about NGD posts?  They're guitars, and we want to chat about them?

If you don' t like the post, or you're not interested, don't read it!  Standard forum practice  :)

yeah, i agree, check my edit :)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Will on January 29, 2009, 08:08:58 PM
Maybe someone should whack up a poll and we'll get deciding what are the most popular decisions.

Or something.

I did put that topic about posting in Gallery + Seconds out, there aren't really that many people with a problem, so its not really going to change
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: 38thBeatle on January 29, 2009, 11:14:57 PM
I'd find it hard to believe that people buy stuff just so that they can swank it up here. I don't mind people telling us about new guitars or gear bought-it is all part of the fun so far as I am concerned. If it is uninteresting then mark as read...but can I just say that I got another Cleartone cable today. The forum is always changing and evolving as new people join and add to the chaos. I just hope the good humour and banter continue and that no-one takes themselves too seriously. There are things that irritate me on occasions ( and I am sure I have the same effect upon others) in which case I move on to something else.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: nfe on January 29, 2009, 11:24:38 PM
I think there's a lot of sycophancy here. But that'd be my only gripe. I do sometimes feel I'm very much a lone voice of disruption, in that I'm quite happy to say to what I think and often in a fairly blunt fashion, but that's probably only that I notice myself do it more than I would notice someone else, or because I take more notice of replies directed to myself than to others. But hey, I'm in that position on a lot of forums  :lol:

Some people obivously have plenty disposable income and buy loads of high end gear, and there's certainly a degree of showing off all their stuff, but so what? Obviously the majority like to eye up more gear, so I don;t see how it's a problem.

Until they start kidding on it's 'cause they NEED it, obviously  :lol:
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Matt77 on January 30, 2009, 05:57:45 PM
I have posted on here a lot less recently. 2 reasons: Firstly, I found myself getting too interested gear and my playing has dropped off a lot. Secondly, it makes me want stuff I don't need.

I love seeing the NGD threads if they are the latest model or a custom build. They yield a set of images that give a different angle in comparison to those presented by dealers or magazines
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: PPPMAT on January 30, 2009, 11:42:08 PM
I have to say that anyone who cares to share their purchases with us be it a new Gibson R9 or a squier strat is equally welcome and just as interesting. Its REAL opinions from REAL people - I like them all!

I'll stop now as I'm drunk on a web forum on a friday night .......alone..........sniff
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Adam.M on January 31, 2009, 12:07:12 AM
Some people obivously have plenty disposable income and buy loads of high end gear, and there's certainly a degree of showing off all their stuff, but so what? Obviously the majority like to eye up more gear, so I don;t see how it's a problem.

That's something i myself don't have much of, all my money goes on gear and i don't have money for anything else afterwards, this PRS i got, i've worked hard for that.... in the hope that i won't buy anything for a long time and have money to actually do things in life, haha!


I do feel though, that i should spend less time browsing these forums and more time playing, and i have been doing recently and I've improved quite a lot, these forums can be rather evil and give you GAS and that's something i want to avoid, so i might just check this forum once a day instead of the usual 5-10!


Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: hunter on January 31, 2009, 06:04:24 AM

Hmm, I think I can follow the intention of the original poster. Sometimes I hang around in HugeRacksInc forum, and I get the feeling that people value others just related to the gear they own. It's a bit of a show-off over there, and thus - although there are high profile people over there - tends to be quite superficial and elitary.

In terms of economic crisis, while people are faced with losing their jobs and having to save to survive, we have to make sure guys with less disposable income don't feel excluded from a community like ours. I remember that the mood in here used to be different, there was more of a warm welcome to new members and also a bit more on-topic (pickup talk) than today.

But still, I find it really ok if people share their new acquisitions (I do quite a bit of that myself). As long as we still value the opinion "of the less equipped", this forum can remain its uniqueness and special flair.

I am happy that I can add my stupid comments to every seconds out post if I feel like :O)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: tomjackson on January 31, 2009, 12:58:02 PM
I don't see any problem people sharing their new acquisitions with the forum.  Some guys may have saved up years for there new dream amp or guitar and have nobody to share their appreciation with.  If I said to my mate/missus/mum etc look at my new guitar theye'd be completely disinterested so why not share it with like minded mates on a forum? Whether it be just pride or showing off a bit it certainly doesn't bother me....

I sometimes find the forum a bit biased towards the younger metal / brootalz of which I have almost no interest but I happily post along side these guys and who knows might find I have something in common after all.

Forums are transient places, sometimes they go off a bit and then more people join / old members come back and things get back on track again.  In fact I'd say the planned Manchester meet is a really positive thing from the forum lately.....

It could be a lot better though if Roo just came out of the closet and admitted he loves Tele's :D
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Adam.M on January 31, 2009, 01:26:53 PM
I remember that the mood in here used to be different, there was more of a warm welcome to new members and also a bit more on-topic (pickup talk) than today.

This is true... but i think i know why.

Most of the people who are on here now have been on here for years, we've gone through the process of talking about the pickups and i'd say the vast majority of us know the pickups inside and out and we're done talking about them unless we get a new set, so the conversation has had to move off into different angles and subjects.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dave_mc on January 31, 2009, 05:42:33 PM

But still, I find it really ok if people share their new acquisitions (I do quite a bit of that myself). As long as we still value the opinion "of the less equipped", this forum can remain its uniqueness and special flair.


agreed :)

I don't see any problem people sharing their new acquisitions with the forum.  Some guys may have saved up years for there new dream amp or guitar and have nobody to share their appreciation with.  If I said to my mate/missus/mum etc look at my new guitar theye'd be completely disinterested so why not share it with like minded mates on a forum? Whether it be just pride or showing off a bit it certainly doesn't bother me....

agreed :)

I sometimes find the forum a bit biased towards the younger metal / brootalz of which I have almost no interest but I happily post along side these guys and who knows might find I have something in common after all.

i don't really mind that, but i like there to be variety too. then again i'm probably biased as i do play a bit of everything. :lol: can get annoying when you go into shops and they ask you what you play-  "bit of everything" doesn't seem to be the answer they want to hear, you get the feeling they think you don't know what you're talking about when you say that. but it's the truth! :lol: EDIT: just realised that "it's the truth" could be a bit ambiguous... best take that as a freudian slip, lol, i probably don't know what i'm talking about most of the time either...
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: AndyR on January 31, 2009, 07:41:06 PM
I've been watching this thread with interest, wanting to post but not quite knowing what to say.

Yes, I do feel there's been some sort of vague change over the last couple of weeks... but I've only been here a year so I don't think I can really put a finger on it... I was actually putting it down to Christmas(!) - I've had less to say that seemed useful recently, and I guess others feel the same. But it doesn't worry me - it's bound to change over time. I suspect the forum "vibe" seems to change as we change in what we need from the forum ourselves... NEway, as long as I've got something to put in, and more importantly as long as I'm getting something out of it, I'm happily sticking around. And that hasn't changed.

I continue to read stuff that interests me, ignore stuff that doesn't, sometimes there's nothing new I want to read, so I have to read the stuff I ignored... and holy-sh1t!! I usually learn something... :lol:

This is a fine forum, best I've ever visited, friendliest, caring-sharing, etc... Sometimes I laugh out loud at what comes on here. I like looking at the guitars and amps - even the stuff that I don't find that attractive... I've even started listening to clips of types of music I have no understanding of at all, and maybe started understanding, perhaps...

And it's also the forum I've stayed on longest so far... and there's nothing happening to make me feel like it's an effort to participate, so I don't see me drifting off yet awhile either :D
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: ailean on January 31, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
My 2p:

Gear is too expensive to buy just for the hell of it. (unless you are loaded, in which case what the hell). We've aquired a lot of nice stuff over the last couple of years, but we appriciate everything we have (barring the Pod XT Pro, bit disappointed in that). Some people like to experiment, that kind of nature will always lead to a lot of aquisitions, I suspect Twinfan is of that ilk, and a few others on here I'm sure.

I like to see new stuff posted, people find all sorts of interesting things that I'd never have seen otherwise (doesn't help my GAS though).
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Fourth Feline on January 31, 2009, 09:38:17 PM
I agree that it's interesting to see other people's new or upgraded gear - even though my own needs have been reduced to one guitar and one small amp. 

I not only love looking at beautiful and interesting guitars / amps / gear , but also I can see and understand ( via these pages ) what 'floats the boat' of folks who play different styles than me.  At heart it's the same passion - the same attention to detail.  :)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Twinfan on January 31, 2009, 09:52:52 PM
Some people like to experiment, that kind of nature will always lead to a lot of aquisitions, I suspect Twinfan is of that ilk, and a few others on here I'm sure.

Yep, 'tis true.  I'm always wondering if that 'thing' sounds or feels better to play.......
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dave_mc on January 31, 2009, 09:57:00 PM
i don't really care that much about it changing (not that i've actually noticed much difference anyway :lol: ), as andy says it's bound to happen. unless we go looking for all the people who've left, or don't post as much as they used to, and force them at gunpoint to come back... :lol:
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: 38thBeatle on February 01, 2009, 12:56:28 AM
unless we go looking for all the people who've left, or don't post as much as they used to, and force them at gunpoint to come back... :lol:

Can we do that? sounds like a plan to me.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: WezV on February 01, 2009, 02:01:26 AM
forums do tend to be seasonal... other than this one i hang around the uk guitar builders forum (UKGB = http://simnettguitars.co.uk/forum ) ,  project guitar ( http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/ ) or the musical instrument makers forum ( http://mimf.com )

all very handy for people making guitars or wanting to discuss guitar construction

this is one of the only gear based forums i frequently (as in most days) post in or read

Has it changed?   ... i am not sure, like most people i joined for a little more info on a relatively obscure brand,  i stick around because i find it a freindly place where i can be myself

i no longer ask about pickups because i always get the best answers direct from tim, but i could ask anything else about my life here and know i would get genuine thoughtfull input, rather than the abuse  and flaming some other forums bring

i like gear threads because i like gear...it may serve to enhance my GAS for things i dont really need or would even be able to use but thats fine... if i had the disposable income or guitars to trade that some other members had you could bet i would be doing the same...as it is  i am just as happy to see someones cheap pimped squier as i am their new PRS ultimately artisticly packed 10+ topped modern golden eagley in teal sunrise thing

i was genuinely surprised to see Fixxer's 'i'm off' thread as i have rarely seen many negatives on this forum, and i think i check here enough that i would notice them even if the mods caught them quickly to delete
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Adam.M on February 01, 2009, 03:53:40 AM
I think all the bad news in the papers and on the TV constantly and our current economic times have affected all of our moods, it has certainly affected mine and changed my buying habits, but in a good way as I now look for items that will most likely retain or grow in value instead of just seeing and trying just about anything. It does mean I'm ending up with more high end gear, but less of a it which is a big plus, more tone less tap dancing.

People are going to be more worried about loosing their jobs, paying their mortgage or rent and feeding themselves and the people that depend on them.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: broken cord on February 01, 2009, 02:03:19 PM
I guess I see changes here. I don't know if it is a bad thing, just natural progression. Since finding out about BKP I have them in three guitars and I am happy with the tone from all three. I will probably buy more as time goes by and funds allow, however, in the current economic climate I have refrained from posting pictures of new gear because I don't want those who are expriencing less fortune to feel any worse than they probably already do.  I mean who wants to read post like: I sold all my gear to keep the roof over my head and the computer goes next....all fades to black.

As the global economy improves I am sure the attendance on the forum will too.


P.S. I like seeing the gear; Squires to R9's and beyond.

Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Simon D on February 01, 2009, 03:54:40 PM
  i am just as happy to see someones cheap pimped squier as i am their new PRS ultimately artisticly packed 10+ topped modern golden eagley in teal sunrise thing

I couldn't agree more. I like seeing people come up with an idea and finding out how it went. I also doubt people buy stuff just to show off - buying an expensive guitar just to show off on an internet forum would be a bit bloody daft. With that said, I think the forum is a great place to share your genuine enthusiasm about a new piece of gear with people who will understand what you're on about, which is what I love about it. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: _tom_ on February 01, 2009, 04:03:12 PM
i am just as happy to see someones cheap pimped squier as i am their new PRS ultimately artisticly packed 10+ topped modern golden eagley in teal sunrise thing

Same here, I actually prefer those pimped squier type threads because the bling new PRS stuff doesnt interest me at all :)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: nfe on February 01, 2009, 05:05:59 PM
I also doubt people buy stuff just to show off - buying an expensive guitar just to show off on an internet forum would be a bit bloody daft.

It is, but I don't doubt for a second there's a lot of that about. Just go have a nose around places like the gear page, I have no doubt at all there's people there just buying gear to try and out do other folk. There are quite a lot of forums where you'll see some young lad excited about his first guitar and showing everybody, just for some arse to come along with "That's rubbish, look, I've got one of THESE!"

And if you take away the internet aspect, there are TONS of people who buy gear just to show off.

But, I don't think people on this forum are guilty of it.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: 99_not_out on February 01, 2009, 05:10:27 PM
I certainly find it hard to believe anyone would buy anything just to show off on a bulletin board, for starters if you wanted to do that you could just post pictures without buying the kit - after all how could I check if you actually own the stuff shown?

Perhaps what is perceived as "showing off" is actually a more natural human reaction of "I just spanked 2 large on a guitar/amp/whatsamajigger and now I'm thinking that was a lot of money, lets show it to some like minded folk who will hopefully remind me why it was worth it"

I at least have such panics :-)

Regards the general feel around here, there has been a little less patience with new posters asking pickup advice IMO, which is I guess because a lot of the topics (the main one being 'MM or NB for modern metal') have been discussed a lot over the years, and a search of the forum will often yield the answers.

Maybe better information on the product site would help a lot here, say some good user posts about pickups linked off the product pages along with links to threads (or copies of) discussing their usages?

Personally however I have always found this forum very helpful. I have learnt a huge amount form all of you, you caused me to buy a PRS SE and a Tele which I am very happy with; and I now understand intonation, why to use different strings, and endless other stuff that has improved my tone and playing. The opinions posted here are almost all the result of long years of experience, and also clearly separate personal preference from fact - i.e. none of the "Fender suck Gibson rulz" type posts. The fact that this is a relatively small forum helps a lot, as there is less noise - but this also leaves the forum open to a change in feel due to the smaller active demographic. This isn't bad, just human.

Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Afghan Dave on February 01, 2009, 06:10:41 PM
i am just as happy to see someones cheap pimped squier as i am their new PRS ultimately artisticly packed 10+ topped modern golden eagley in teal sunrise thing

Same here, I actually prefer those pimped squier type threads because the bling new PRS stuff doesnt interest me at all :)

Those are the type of threads I really look forward to.

Those and the custom builds that guys on the forum have ordered and then share the story of the "how and why". I love to gain an insight into the reasons behind the individual choices people make and share their sense of excitement / fulfillment.

A human interest story gets me everytime.

I can look at retailers or manufacturers sites for off the shelf "bling" by PRS or other majors.

There is nothing wrong with any polite thread and anyway who has the right to judge what is worthy of anothers interest. 

I personally just don't have as much interest in gear for gears sake as I do in the people / stories behind the gear.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dave_mc on February 01, 2009, 08:05:26 PM
unless we go looking for all the people who've left, or don't post as much as they used to, and force them at gunpoint to come back... :lol:

Can we do that? sounds like a plan to me.

yeah, i was thinking about that, but i don't know anyone's address... and don't have a gun. :sad:


There is nothing wrong with any polite thread and anyway who has the right to judge what is worthy of anothers interest. 


yeah, exactly. :)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Johnny Mac on February 02, 2009, 07:39:31 AM
I like to see what other people have bought, its interesting to me and others so why not.

I've learned more from people here than the magazines. Like others have said I value the real opinions of gear and threads with about new gear get the discussions going.  :D
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Elliot on February 02, 2009, 05:17:31 PM
I agree - its nice to see something that some has got warts and all - better than reading about it in a mag.

What is very common on these boards and really annoys me is someone gives a list of things in a certain budget range (say a Bad Monkey, a TS7 or a SD1) for recommendation and and someone else comes along and says 'get this - x3 price boutique item' (like, for example, a Keeley modded TS808).   

If a person has a budget, has gone to the trouble of listing a few items, then recommending the most expensive, latest or most obscure boutique item doesn't really help them.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dheim on February 02, 2009, 06:09:34 PM
well, i'm almost new here, so i have no idea of how this forum was a couple of years before i had ever heard of BKP... usually

i'm not a forum fan (once i made a couple of posts on a movie forum just to find myself hated and banned by half the members in the space of 12 hours...  :))... i usually hate italian forums because they're full of WORLDS GREATEST EXPERTS always ready to say the exact opposite of what everyone else is saying just for the sake of it.
here i found a bunch of relaxed people talking about guitars, amps, music, cats and other nice things with no manifest sense of superiority over younger (read less expert or less capable) members... i never read sarcastic or offensive comments about audio clips (well, if you don't like it and if you haven't got anything useful to say except "it sucks big time and you're an asshole" SHUT the hell up and go posting on some other thread!)... jokes about other's tastes are funny and i don't think that anyone can get really offended.

neither i ever read arrogant statements on others' budget or equipment...
of course if you're happy with a guitar you have just bought and think it's one of the prettiest things on earth is nice to post pics and have them commented by other guitar lovers... you can call it childish but i think it's part of the game; one of the funniest parts, actually. of course adding sound clips and "reviews" to new gear annoncements is a good idea... personally i'm trying to do it as much as possible, because it can be useful for others and of course i like to do it  :P

maybe to give some "prestige" back to the place discussion should be much more technical and specific, but where would be the fun?

i'm not answering to anyone in particular, and i don't think to be "part of the problem" (well, uh... i'm not sure... D'OH!, it's just for the sense of discontent i felt in many posts...
it's true, i'm becoming a gear thirsty maniac who actually spends more time reading about guitars than playing them, but at least for me this depends on the ABSOLUTE lack of time (work is killing me) i'm suffering nowadays... and i'm having nice advices, priceless feedback and - last but not least- a good time in here...
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dheim on February 02, 2009, 06:12:31 PM
I certainly find it hard to believe anyone would buy anything just to show off on a bulletin board, for starters if you wanted to do that you could just post pictures without buying the kit - after all how could I check if you actually own the stuff shown?

Perhaps what is perceived as "showing off" is actually a more natural human reaction of "I just spanked 2 large on a guitar/amp/whatsamajigger and now I'm thinking that was a lot of money, lets show it to some like minded folk who will hopefully remind me why it was worth it"

I at least have such panics :-)

Regards the general feel around here, there has been a little less patience with new posters asking pickup advice IMO, which is I guess because a lot of the topics (the main one being 'MM or NB for modern metal') have been discussed a lot over the years, and a search of the forum will often yield the answers.

Maybe better information on the product site would help a lot here, say some good user posts about pickups linked off the product pages along with links to threads (or copies of) discussing their usages?

Personally however I have always found this forum very helpful. I have learnt a huge amount form all of you, you caused me to buy a PRS SE and a Tele which I am very happy with; and I now understand intonation, why to use different strings, and endless other stuff that has improved my tone and playing. The opinions posted here are almost all the result of long years of experience, and also clearly separate personal preference from fact - i.e. none of the "Fender suck Gibson rulz" type posts. The fact that this is a relatively small forum helps a lot, as there is less noise - but this also leaves the forum open to a change in feel due to the smaller active demographic. This isn't bad, just human.



99, it's the second time in half an hour that i'm quoting your words and subscribing them completely... i'm not a stalker, don't fear...  :lol:
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: 99_not_out on February 02, 2009, 06:16:29 PM
99, it's the second time in half an hour that i'm quoting your words and subscribing them completely... i'm not a stalker, don't fear...  :lol:

Haha, should I hide my pet rabbit?

But it also shows one of the other things I like about this forum, that there are a lot of like-minded folk on it :-) And where people do disagree, its done in good humour and peoples opinions and feelings are listened to.

Edit: Well, apart from that thread about downtuning. And one about Final Fanatasy ... but vive la difference!
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: 99_not_out on February 02, 2009, 06:23:03 PM
On the subject of it being nice here, my name is Matt BTW, some days I regret the moniker I chose on registration as I always get refered to by the second most depressing score in cricket after a duck :P My own fault of course. And ironically it turns out I could have actually used the name matt as my login ... lol. Rock on.

Matt
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dave_mc on February 02, 2009, 06:24:33 PM
i think i'd be a lot more annoyed by 99 not out than a duck to be honest. though that's mainly to do with how often i've had a chance of getting 100 (i.e. never) compared to how often i got a duck (pretty often).. when i used to play. :lol:
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: 99_not_out on February 02, 2009, 06:28:27 PM
i think i'd be a lot more annoyed by 99 not out than a duck to be honest. though that's mainly to do with how often i've had a chance of getting 100 (i.e. never) compared to how often i got a duck (pretty often).. when i used to play. :lol:

I was a bowler, never got past 20! :P
But I did take a double hat-trick once. Admittedly in a school house match where I was the only one with any idea how to bowl, BUT IT STILL COUNTS! I should have written into to Wisden really ...
Anyway, way off topic ... but I always like to sneak a bit of cricket in whenever possible ;-)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dave_mc on February 02, 2009, 06:34:15 PM
hahahaha

i was kind of an all-rounder, not really great at either batting or bowling, but could do either at a pinch if one of the main bowlers was sick, kinda thing (actually i started out as a bowler, but all the opposing batsmen got better, but i never seemed to get any better at bowling :lol: ).

double hat trick is pretty cool, i was on a hat-trick once but never got one... :(

i actually didn't get a duck for ages when i was playing at school, but then when i finally got one, i managed to get about 5 in a row... :lol:
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: AndyR on February 02, 2009, 07:06:44 PM
:lol:

I was an opening bat, but never got past 35 in a serious match... (And actually I was caught behind second ball, but the umpire didn't give it...)

I did take a hat-trick once though (it was actually 4 or 5 wickets in something like a 10 or 11 ball over). I told the teacher I couldn't bowl, but he insisted that everyone had a go in this "trial match". At the end of the over, he said "Well bowled Andrew. But you were right, you can't bowl..."  I feel sorry for the poor git who was batting the other end - out 4 or 5 times for no runs :lol: The only two he could get a bat on, he was caught off - one of them was this high looping beamer that came down with snow on it, I'll never forget the image of him with the bat up round his head, then the wicket-keeper fumbling to catch it as it bounced off him... (we were only 11 years old :D)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dheim on February 02, 2009, 07:45:22 PM
:lol:

I was an opening bat, but never got past 35 in a serious match... (And actually I was caught behind second ball, but the umpire didn't give it...)

I did take a hat-trick once though (it was actually 4 or 5 wickets in something like a 10 or 11 ball over). I told the teacher I couldn't bowl, but he insisted that everyone had a go in this "trial match". At the end of the over, he said "Well bowled Andrew. But you were right, you can't bowl..."  I feel sorry for the poor git who was batting the other end - out 4 or 5 times for no runs :lol: The only two he could get a bat on, he was caught off - one of them was this high looping beamer that came down with snow on it, I'll never forget the image of him with the bat up round his head, then the wicket-keeper fumbling to catch it as it bounced off him... (we were only 11 years old :D)

oh my god... what you're speaking of, for god's bloody sake?  :lol:
all i know of that weird english game is that it comes from ancestral memories of the Krikkit Wars...  :)
jokes (and hitchhicker's guide to the galaxy) apart i have absolutely no idea of cricket...  :P
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: AndyR on February 02, 2009, 07:49:00 PM
:lol:

I was an opening bat, but never got past 35 in a serious match... (And actually I was caught behind second ball, but the umpire didn't give it...)

I did take a hat-trick once though (it was actually 4 or 5 wickets in something like a 10 or 11 ball over). I told the teacher I couldn't bowl, but he insisted that everyone had a go in this "trial match". At the end of the over, he said "Well bowled Andrew. But you were right, you can't bowl..."  I feel sorry for the poor git who was batting the other end - out 4 or 5 times for no runs :lol: The only two he could get a bat on, he was caught off - one of them was this high looping beamer that came down with snow on it, I'll never forget the image of him with the bat up round his head, then the wicket-keeper fumbling to catch it as it bounced off him... (we were only 11 years old :D)

oh my god... what you're speaking of, for god's bloody sake?  :lol:
all i know of that weird english game is that it comes from ancestral memories of the Krikkit Wars...  :)
jokes (and hitchhicker's guide to the galaxy) apart i have absolutely no idea of cricket...  :P

Translation of the story = I was SO bad at it, I was accidentally quite good :lol:
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: AndyR on February 02, 2009, 07:49:49 PM
I wonder in FIXXXXXER liked cricket?

:lol:
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Johnny Mac on February 02, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
I wonder in FIXXXXXER liked cricket?

:lol:

Yeah the dude loved it! He got into guitar by pretending his cricket bat was one  :D
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: 99_not_out on February 02, 2009, 08:40:48 PM
^ ^ :-D
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: headtheball on February 02, 2009, 09:45:41 PM
I'm nearly happy to admit I understand cricket only in the vaguest sense of the word. It's perfectly fine as background details, and is surprisingly relaxing to watch. It's the easy listening of sport.

Give me thirty crazed loopers running round a hurling pitch any day, though.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Lew on February 03, 2009, 02:41:06 AM
some people buy things just to show them off here...

I am guilty of sharing new gear with the forum because I get a kick out of talking about it and hearing opinions. Buying new gear is a big deal to me too - I'm full time at uni now and after spending the last ten years getting a decent wage to now part time money is...pants!

But you really think people buy gear to show it off on a forum rofl, especially one that has as relative small traffic as this? It's hard not to come across sounding sarcastic but if it's a problem to you then don't click on the thread-problem solved  8)

It has a nice family feel here, go post over at intermusic it's home to so many trolls!
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: martinw on February 07, 2009, 09:43:18 PM

It has a nice family feel here, go post over at intermusic it's home to so many trolls!

You got that right!  :D
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Ian Price on February 07, 2009, 10:54:16 PM
I am guilty of sharing new gear with the forum because I get a kick out of talking about it and hearing opinions.

Absolutely agree. I imagine that this forum would be a lot less interesting if nobody posted their new gear/current gear on here.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: dave_mc on February 07, 2009, 11:41:49 PM

It has a nice family feel here, go post over at intermusic it's home to so many trolls!

You got that right!  :D

haha, i saw your posts over there, you seemed to be getting a bit annoyed (with good reason). :)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Ian Price on February 08, 2009, 09:03:24 AM

It has a nice family feel here, go post over at intermusic it's home to so many trolls!

You got that right!  :D

haha, i saw your posts over there, you seemed to be getting a bit annoyed (with good reason). :)

I've never heard of this forum and coudn't even find it after a quick search on google! I've said it many times before and, risking a bit of repetition, will say it again. The BKP forum is the best forum on the internet.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: gwEm on February 08, 2009, 09:42:18 AM
the N?D threads are pretty interesting, and its a chance to post a review or whatever. i'm pretty tightfisted, so whenever i get something i've usually spent a while researching it, and so am proud when i finally get it. of course its nice to show it off in a way.

but feeling a bit guilty myself now, since some people are clearly annoyed by the N?D threads, and I have just posted a potentially redundant thread about my netbook. apologies for that, and i'll stop posting about new gear in the future unless its a bit rare or whatever.

this forum has been a bit quiet lately its true.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Lew on February 08, 2009, 09:45:15 AM
I wouldn't stop posting anything, I love laptops  :lol:
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: gwEm on February 08, 2009, 09:47:44 AM
there have been positive changes in the forum too - for example i really like the strat advice ianprice and andyr have been giving.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: AndyR on February 08, 2009, 10:59:01 AM
Thanks for that :D (bear in mind I don't really know what I'm talking about, I just like what I like :lol:)

I was actually about to post on the following when I saw that ^

but feeling a bit guilty myself now, since some people are clearly annoyed by the N?D threads, and I have just posted a potentially redundant thread about my netbook. apologies for that, and i'll stop posting about new gear in the future unless its a bit rare or whatever.

Don't do that! There's always something useful to someone in all of these N?D threads... None of us, as individuals, are going to find all of the N?Ds interesting or even appealling, but that's ok, we can just ignore or skim read those... twould be a shame to lose all of this shared info just because we aren't capable of liking/enjoying every single thread... :D
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: _tom_ on February 08, 2009, 11:03:55 AM
Don't do that! There's always something useful to someone in all of these N?D threads... None of us, as individuals, are going to find all of the N?Ds interesting or even appealling, but that's ok, we can just ignore or skim read those... twould be a shame to lose all of this shared info just because we aren't capable of liking/enjoying every single thread... :D

+1 :)
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: Philly Q on February 08, 2009, 12:16:45 PM
but feeling a bit guilty myself now, since some people are clearly annoyed by the N?D threads, and I have just posted a potentially redundant thread about my netbook. apologies for that, and i'll stop posting about new gear in the future unless its a bit rare or whatever.

Don't do that! There's always something useful to someone in all of these N?D threads... None of us, as individuals, are going to find all of the N?Ds interesting or even appealling, but that's ok, we can just ignore or skim read those... twould be a shame to lose all of this shared info just because we aren't capable of liking/enjoying every single thread... :D

Yeah, absolutely.  If someone starts a thread about their new Engl Savage or NOS Mullard valves I tend not to read it - because it's not of any great interest to me.

But I don't subsequently harbour a deep resentment against whoever started that thread.  :P
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: SG Thrasher on February 08, 2009, 12:23:53 PM
I like seeing all the interesting stuff people get, I usually learn something when I open a NGD thread and that can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: I get the feeling
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on February 18, 2009, 10:10:06 PM
One thing that is worthwhile about the whole New Gear threads is that you can get some insight into gear that you may have wanted to buy yourself.

Also interesting to watch the lifespan from NGD to seconds Out..... :(