Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: infernalreaper on February 06, 2009, 03:56:03 AM
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hey guys i need ur help....im thinking of swapping pickups in my Ibanez Rg1570..its a basswood guitar with a rosewood neck...neways whats the best bridge pickup should i buy for this guitar??...im lookin for a very tight death metal sound (in the vein of Nevermore, Cannibal Corpse, Aborted., Necrophagist , etc)..Also the pickup should be able to do a bit of thrash metal & a lil bit of classic rock..so wat pickups do you guys recommend ? im concerned since the guitar is of basswood.. do u think swappin it out for Bkps will do the trick??
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Hi and welcome to the forum!
I've never played a basswood guitar, so I'm not up their characteristics. But gut reaction would be a Painkiller, I'm not sure I can back that up though :)
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Well,
here's a good starting point 8)
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=247.0 (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=247.0)
Nailbomb demo on an Ibanez RG550, played by Tim Mills himself.
-Zaned
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C-Pig will give you the sound you're looking for
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As Tim described it to me, basswood is a very tonally neutral wood, meaning you can get away with pretty much any pickup in there.
The ceramic Warpig is definitely a good call, you'll be pleasantly surprised by how well it cleans up too I imagine.
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C-Pig should be great.
FWIW with a floating trem and bolt on I doubt your body wood is making all that much difference anyway. Its probably not the dominant feature of the tone - the neck will be.
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Warpig, any form
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hey thanx for the quick replies guys...after reading through many pages on the forum i've summed up that nailbombs & the C-pigs are the best for basswood....Im leaning towards the C-pig at this moment....also whats the sound of the C-pig like? as in on scale of 10 how would one define the Bass, Treble & Mids of the C-pig??...i've also read dat the sound of the C-pig is a compressed a bit?? what does that actually mean??... Also since were on the topic wats the best Neck pickup that would complement the C-pig? ...thanx in advance guys!!
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... on my Ibanez S540FM, the C-Pig is simply brutal... it snarls and squeals through fast and down-tuned riffs :)
I would say it has this kind of EQ (though I could be wrong):
Treble: 7
Mids: 6
Bass: 6
As for neck pup, I asked the same q ya had to Tim the other day and he recommended me an Alnico V Cold Sweat to compliment the C-pig.
Reg
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I have some clips and videos of me playing my Charvel Fusion Deluxe, tuned to D standard.
its basswood body
through my 5150
check the videos : terrorizer cover.
www.youtube.com/wfd666
And the clips are here in the forum
also, one of the guitars in the recording, the bolder less Fizzy one is the charvel with nailbomb.
www.myspace.com/thyresis
JP
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well i think im gonna go with the Warpig...it seems to get a very raw & crushing tone...thats probably what i'd like...neways how are the cleans on th Warpig?? Are the cleans decent enough??...
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The pig's cleans are far better then you'd expect from a pickup that hot...!
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I have a Nailbomb in the Bridge my Charvel 475, Basswood body, rosewood neck and it works a treat!
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Hey thanx guys 4 being so helpful....neways i'd like 2 know which pickup ie. Nailbomb or Warpig has more low-end??...and also which pickup is more tight on the bass aspect
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Hey thanx guys 4 being so helpful....neways i'd like 2 know which pickup ie. Nailbomb or Warpig has more low-end??...and also which pickup is more tight on the bass aspect
If we're talking about a ceramic Warpig and a regular alnico Nailbomb, the 'pig has more low end, and is tighter too.
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For your style of music, I think I would go for Warpigs.
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so what sounds better in basswood? overall? Warpig or the Nailbomb?
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so what sounds better in basswood? overall? Warpig or the Nailbomb?
Well, from what I collect, basswood seems to be a very neutral tone wood. That means that you can get away with very high output pickups without sounding like a muddy mess! I have a c-pig in my basswood guitar and it kills! :P The nailbomb is excellent too, but for heavier metal, the pig is where it's at in basswood! It takes full command of that neutral tone range and turns it into a heavy, brutal, squealing monster of a guitar :D
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so what sounds better in basswood? overall? Warpig or the Nailbomb?
The ceramic Warpig is definitely the ultimate death metal pickup, however I disagree VEHEMENTLY with the notion of basswood being neutral and friendly to all pickups. In my experience nothing could be further from reality. I find basswood extremely picky and can eat up and chew out most pickups. I think basswood lacks character, which is why it's not one of my favorite tone woods, but it's definitely not neutral IMO.
I've tried almost every pickup from every brand in the 40-50 Ibanez I've had over the years, and only very few pickups did the job. Seymour Duncans that sound great in alder, mahogany, walnut, etc often sound terrible and woofy in basswood, for example. A few DiMarzios are voiced well for basswood but as I'm sure most of us agree here, DiMarzios have a treble characteristic that shall we say - leaves a lot to be desired.
The high-output Bare Knuckles my customers and I have achieved the best results with in basswood are the Cold Sweat, Miracle Man, and Nailbomb. While the ceramic Warpig definitely is the most brutal and deathy pickup, I'm not so sure its a great match for basswood since basswood has very loose lows and the Warpig's low end is massive. I think a pickup with a bit tighter low-end like the Miracle Man would be a better option IMO.
Again, just my experiences, I'm not saying anyone else is wrong. Just trying to help :)
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so what sounds better in basswood? overall? Warpig or the Nailbomb?
The high-output Bare Knuckles my customers and I have achieved the best results with in basswood are the Cold Sweat, Miracle Man, and Nailbomb. While the ceramic Warpig definitely is the most brutal and deathy pickup, I'm not so sure its a great match for basswood since basswood has very loose lows and the Warpig's low end is massive. I think a pickup with a bit tighter low-end like the Miracle Man would be a better option IMO.
Again, just my experiences, I'm not saying anyone else is wrong. Just trying to help :)
You mentioned that you mostly deal with 7 (and 8 ) string players and I'm sure that has a big impact on your comments, but would you still say a Cold Sweat works well in a standard tuned 6 string? I get the impression (falsely I hope) that it would be a bit harsh. I'm seriously considering one at the moment for one of the 3 basswood guitars I'm planning to BKP.
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so what sounds better in basswood? overall? Warpig or the Nailbomb?
The high-output Bare Knuckles my customers and I have achieved the best results with in basswood are the Cold Sweat, Miracle Man, and Nailbomb. While the ceramic Warpig definitely is the most brutal and deathy pickup, I'm not so sure its a great match for basswood since basswood has very loose lows and the Warpig's low end is massive. I think a pickup with a bit tighter low-end like the Miracle Man would be a better option IMO.
Again, just my experiences, I'm not saying anyone else is wrong. Just trying to help :)
You mentioned that you mostly deal with 7 (and 8 ) string players and I'm sure that has a big impact on your comments, but would you still say a Cold Sweat works well in a standard tuned 6 string? I get the impression (falsely I hope) that it would be a bit harsh. I'm seriously considering one at the moment for one of the 3 basswood guitars I'm planning to BKP.
Oh I do TONS of 6-string stuff too man. I think the Cold Sweat sounds great with standard tuning too, I've installed them for customers in Ibanez RGs before and it works like a charm. Sure it's a bright pickup but not harsh. However, if you wanted something a little thicker that's when I recommend the Miracle Man since that too is voiced superbly well for basswood.
If you never intend on tuning super low, the Nailbomb or Holydiver would be excellent choices too.
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I agree with Vic - I don't think that basswood is tonally neutral - to my ears it has a very pronounced mid and lower mid range that can take out the benefits of many higher gain pickups. You want something with some brightness in it to get over the mid range - as 80s shredders do with their DiMarzios. Not being a metal fan, I couldn't help but I reckon a nailbomb.
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ok guys im a lil confused...so miracle man also works fine in basswood??...anyways i play in D standard tuning most of the times & occasionally tune to drop c...so do u guys think that the warpig will suit this tuning well??
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ok guys im a lil confused...so miracle man also works fine in basswood??...anyways i play in D standard tuning most of the times & occasionally tune to drop c...so do u guys think that the warpig will suit this tuning well??
The miracle man definitely works wonders in basswood. I have an MM in an ibanez RG470/TBL and it's brutal. Very very articulate, even tuned down to A-E-A-D-F#-B (although this is achieved so much better in my multiscale baritone loaded with a black dog, but this won't help you...).
I can definitely recommend the miracle man for normal or downtuned metal in a basswood ibanez.
Roo
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ok guys im a lil confused...so miracle man also works fine in basswood??...anyways i play in D standard tuning most of the times & occasionally tune to drop c...so do u guys think that the warpig will suit this tuning well??
I would go with the Miracle man in there too.
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The high-output Bare Knuckles my customers and I have achieved the best results with in basswood are the Cold Sweat, Miracle Man, and Nailbomb. While the ceramic Warpig definitely is the most brutal and deathy pickup, I'm not so sure its a great match for basswood since basswood has very loose lows and the Warpig's low end is massive. I think a pickup with a bit tighter low-end like the Miracle Man would be a better option IMO.
again, vic... stop make me GASing for those damn miracle men (and a new guitar to put them in, of course...)! :)
anyway i've got a set of AV WP in an RG and they don't sound loose at all! but it could be me... the loosest thing in a pickup-guitar-amp combination is always my right hand, and usually i don't play surgical riffs either...
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ok guys im a lil confused...so miracle man also works fine in basswood??...anyways i play in D standard tuning most of the times & occasionally tune to drop c...so do u guys think that the warpig will suit this tuning well??
I feel bad for adding more confusion, but Nailbombs can have a ceramic bridge.