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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Catalyst77 on February 18, 2009, 09:23:00 AM
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Ive had this program for what must be nearly 10 years but i still cant use it properly!
I usually start by laying down a click track or a simple drum loop. The problem i have is that every time i record a new track, i also re-record the track i'm playing along to. It means if i record 4 tracks the forth track has all the previous tracks as well!
Obviously this makes it impossible to mix, and the sound quality ends up being pretty naff; plus you can't edit out mistakes :(
I'm sure this is a school boy error, but any help would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers
Ben
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In cubase it list the track you ope IE audio 01. just underneath is two symbols a circle with a dot(this on all you tracks will be red) and a speaker.
The track you want to record leave the circle symbol red, click the ones you don't want to record on until they are not lit red
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Could be the above. ^
It could be in the basic set up of the software, routing the audio signal. Its a complex program so there could be a few things to trouble shoot. Do you get echos?
I bought a manual from amazon and gave myself a head ache trying to learn it. But once you get going things fall in to place quickly. I don't use its full potential though as I don't feel i need to, yet.
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It can do this if you've got the wrong input selected on the windows sound controls (if you're running Windows that is). To check double click the speaker icon next to the little clock at the bottom right of your screen. That'll bring up a bunch of sliders for playback volume control. Next go to the options menu & select properties. Then select recording. You'll now be able to change the recording input. If you're currently getting previous tracks re-recorded every time it'll be on something like 'what you hear' (or words to that effect). There should be a line-in option. Hopefully that will sort you out. :)
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You have more than one track record-enabled. sgmypod has it right -- make sure that the red circle is lit only on the track you wish to record on!!
Cubase has a very good manual in PDF format under the "Help" menu; there are also many guide books for Cubase. I have the "Fast Guide" to Cubase 4; I recommend it.
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Oh, there's also this:
http://www.steinbergusers.com/cubase/cubase_feat_req.php
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Cheers guys
I will try all of the above!
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Hi
Ive checked out the program its actually cubasis vst5.
I can't seem to find the red dots etc here's a screen dump of what i'm seeing.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t29/benmartin1977/cubasevst5.jpg)
THANKS :D
Ben
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Old school
Never used VST, but do those tracks expand out?
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Wow, I don't even know what half of that stuff MEANS!
Time for an update!!
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In that Cubasis the 'red dot' is the enable button beside mono in the track properties.
What's your sound card? It may be mixing your input with your output buss on it's internal mixer hence you're always recording 'whats you hear' as opposed to just the input.
Also If I recall correctly int1L is the left mono input on your sound card.
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Thanks for your help
Unfortunately im now even more confused. :(
I tried the help function, which was helpful but didn't address the issue at all.
I then tried the enable button, but rather than being seletable per track it is either selectable for all or none, i.e. it wont isolate any individual track.
here's a screen shot of what im looking at when i click the speaker sign in the bottom right of my comp.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t29/benmartin1977/myspeaker.jpg)
One thing i forgot to mention, if i were to record the click on track one, then guitar on track two, the click recorded on track two would not be in time with that of track one, there's a slight delay.
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That's VST, the one I'm using. It is an old version but it still does the job and works for me. I think you have a signal routing problem. Do you have a soundcard that is better than a standard pc one?
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Yay!
Finally figured it out! :lol:
Not sure exactly what i did but in the recording control panel you have to select between
CD VOLUME
FRONT MIC
MIC VOLUME
LINE VOLUME
STEREO MIX
Not sure what it was on before, but now ive set it to line volume the problem is solved!
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Trumpet Fanfare!! :D :D :D
So 10 years eh :lol: oh well i hope you have fun with it. If you get stuck again drop me a line, its still capable of making good recordings even though its an old version.
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It's only 6 years old!
I guess that's an eternity in software terms though.
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*L* yeah been a while since I used that one..but was stable as I remember
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Clips! :D
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Clips! :D
When i get my 5watt trainwreck from HTH i would certainly oblige!
At the moment i'm running pedals into the mixing desk and its sounds like grating a block of iron cheese :?
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Clips! :D
When i get my 5watt trainwreck from HTH i would certainly oblige!
At the moment i'm running pedals into the mixing desk and its sounds like grating a block of iron cheese :?
:lol:
Are you going to mike up your amp or use direct out?
To get you going download a backing track that you fancy and import it into a stereo track. Keep the levels under 0db. Then put your first track down with guitar pan it 30 left, copy and paste the same track and pan 3 right, get the mixer up and use a bit of auto compression on each track to control clipping. Then do the same in the master mixer, export to wav using a bit of dithering and bobs your uncle. Convert to mp3 bung it on your ipod and listen to it in the motor on the way to work! :D
It may not be the best way of doing it i'm sure so anyone who can tweak that a bit.....
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Clips! :D
When i get my 5watt trainwreck from HTH i would certainly oblige!
At the moment i'm running pedals into the mixing desk and its sounds like grating a block of iron cheese :?
mmmm sounds good
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Arggh!
Well ive solved the double tracking problem, but there's still a delay going on.
The means each time i try and layer a track, when i play it back its not in time :(
Anyone know why this might be??
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Probably your latency settings. I had that same issue with reaper and it wasnt until I got a proper interface that they were fully solved. You can get it halfway there with the onboard sound but its never quite right, at least with my stuff.
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Probably your latency settings. I had that same issue with reaper and it wasnt until I got a proper interface that they were fully solved. You can get it halfway there with the onboard sound but its never quite right, at least with my stuff.
Ok
So what's an interface?
Is it some kind of exteranl sound card like an audigy soundblaster?
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Yeah, basically an external soundcard. If you want to use a mic then you'd be best off getting something like an Edirol UA-25EX (which is what I have). It has jack sockets as well so you can plug your guitar straight in and DI into Amplitube or some other software modelling if you wish. Obviously an amp is always going to be better but software modelling is so convenient and you can tweak for hours after recording (may be a good or bad thing depending on your mindset I guess!)
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anyone got any free software that does the same things?
I have a pod UX1 and pod farm. I just want something i can multitrack with and maybe program some drums easily.
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Yeah, basically an external soundcard. If you want to use a mic then you'd be best off getting something like an Edirol UA-25EX (which is what I have). It has jack sockets as well so you can plug your guitar straight in and DI into Amplitube or some other software modelling if you wish. Obviously an amp is always going to be better but software modelling is so convenient and you can tweak for hours after recording (may be a good or bad thing depending on your mindset I guess!)
Ok cheers
At the moment i'm going in via a fostex mixing desk, which is connected to the comp via a usb cable. I'm guessing this won't solve the problem!
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I dunno really, I've never used a usb desk and I'm not that experienced with recording anyway. You could try adjusting the latency settings in cubase, it'll be the buffer that you want to reduce I think?
anyone got any free software that does the same things?
I have a pod UX1 and pod farm. I just want something i can multitrack with and maybe program some drums easily.
Try www.reaper.fm, its technically free as the evaluation version is still the full one after the "30 day trial" runs out, as far as I'm aware its not illegal unless you're using it for commercial stuff?
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so it doesnt look up after 30 days?
interesting! i may check it out! can it do basic drum programming too?
im gonna get on it
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Yeah mines still running fine. It just comes up with a nag screen every time you load it, asking you to get a license.
For drum programming I think you're going to need a vst instrument such as ezdrummer or one of the many free ones you can find on kvraudio.com and sites like that.
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Arggh!
Well ive solved the double tracking problem, but there's still a delay going on.
The means each time i try and layer a track, when i play it back its not in time :(
Anyone know why this might be??
If you're using your onboard sound card (as has been said above) then you will be using the wdm drivers which are designed for getting stereo or 5.1 sound out of your apps and to some speakers. To record you need fast driver performance and stable sync otherwise you get the delays you are hearing
Sound cards designed for Audio recording come with special drivers the Cubase type is ASIO (Audio Stream Input/Output) which allow low latency in other words what you hear while you are tracking is within a few miliseconds of it going through the CPU with a WDM driver this can be as much as half a second hence when you play back your tracking is out of sync.
You can get onboard card behaving better as someone has written a universal ASIO driver http://www.asio4all.com/ I've used this with the basic sygmatel cr@p on my laptop with decent success so it's worth a read up on and a try.
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Oh yeah I forgot about the ASIO drivers, definitely give that a go before you start spending money on an interface :)
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Well i had an old AUDIGY soundblaster external interface lying around that was about 8 years old. I was going to replace it but the guy at PC world said the technology hadnt actually changed much in the last ten years!
Ive had a tricky time installing it due to the fact its pre windows xp. Managed to find the up to date drivers off the net so will hopefully see if it works this evening!
thanks again for all the help :)
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If you still get issues when using the soundblaster try a sample rate of 48k as opposed the the usual 44.1. Some older Soundlaster cards (I used to have aLive many moons ago which had this issue) were internaly locked to 48k sample frequency which caused the sync to drift furth out the longer you played.
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An luck yet?
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An luck yet?
Yep
Problem solved!
Its all working really well now, no delay and no re-recording existing tracks!
Thanks a lot guys
Ben
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Can you forward an invoicing address please!
Glad to hear it. :D