Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: BL4CK_K1N6 on February 26, 2009, 11:12:45 AM
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Hi at all!
I play melodic death metal with a 7 strings, I need a power and defined sound. The Warpig with ceramic magnet at bridge and Nailbomb at neck can be good? Other proposals?
(Sorry for my English, I'm italian :D)
Thanks!
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nice avatar :D its that you?
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What guitar are you using?
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nice avatar :D its that you?
Yes :D
What guitar are you using?
Ibanez 1527... (basswood body)
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miracle man
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+1 to the Miracle Man, set my LP in B-e-a-d-f#-b yesterday, the bass end was so clear and defined it was awesome, nails the tone from 'a predators portrait', which is incidentally why i went down to B.
you will probably get a lot of suggestions for the Cold Sweat neck p/up as it seems to be increasingly popular for a clear and fat neck tone for sweeping + legato, but i'm not sure how it will match with the MM.
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Uhm... (http://forum.ioguadagno.it/images/smilies/eusa_think.gif)
Why not the ceramic Warpig or Nailbomb?
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Uhm... (http://forum.ioguadagno.it/images/smilies/eusa_think.gif)
Why not the ceramic Warpig or Nailbomb?
Possibly because the miracle man is tighter than both, and has plenty of power on tap, and also deals extremely well with low tunings :)
Another option would be a painkiller set, but I think the miracle man is probably a touch more suited to what you're after.
Roo
PS great avatar!
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Tim said me: "Warpig ceramic or Painkiller humbuckers-excellent melo/death tone."
Help! (http://www.xfox.it/forum/images/smilies/wallbash.gif) XD
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I'd have said Painkiller for a tight / defined response. Warpig is a bit more organic but is a fantastic pup and I'm a fan.
Tim is pretty good at matching the neck to the bridge, so unless you have a good reason to mix and match I'd go with a set.
The Nailbomb can have a ceramic bridge if you want to go down on the power a little.
If you want an all out war machine, get the PK or the WP. Either will put a smile on your face, and melt the face of anyone standing in front of your cab.
Oh, and don't forget that the double allen bolts on the WP look f**king cool. :twisted:
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all the contemporary line models will do the job, but the miracle man already has that huge and tight bass response, sounds more punchy than the painkiller, the low mids are more growly and grindy, but it's way more focused than the c-pig
and that's how 95% of those bands try to sound
I only played it in 3 mahogany guitars, but some say it's one of the best choices for basswood
the painkiller is a bit tighter and way more middy, but thinner on the low end, and considering you have a thin basswood body, floyd and maple neck, you'll prefer to have more punch from the pickup
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for modern melodic DM styles I'd say Miracle Man too - it's tight, clear and defined.
for more grindy end of DM I'd go with a Ceramic Warpig.
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I'll agree with the Miracle Man suggestions, though as Eric has said, you could go for any of the contemporary BKPs and be happy.
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Thanks for the answers!!
Most of you have suggested me the Miracle Man bridge... It is good also for leads and solos? Because if it's I change only the bridge pick-up...
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Possibly because the miracle man is tighter than both
no it's not, though it does have more growl than either. seems angrier
go with a CWP. you will not be dissapointed!
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I'd pick the c-pig for brutal death metal, but the miracle man is just perfect for melodic death and modern metal in general
stuff like CoB, Soilwork, Carcass, Neaera, The Haunted, Blinded Colony, Sylosis, At The Gates comes out really naturally from it
and I think it will retain more clarity on 7 string tunings than a c-pig
you can here some awesome miracle man on a basswood ibanez clips here:
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=1097
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=2473
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=2578
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=2653
not your style or the appropriate amps for that, but still great :D
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I use a ceramic Warpig for melodic death metal. Or my view of melodic death metal that is. I have a cold sweat neck to complement it.
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Thanks for the answers!!
Most of you have suggested me the Miracle Man bridge... It is good also for leads and solos? Because if it's I change only the bridge pick-up...
i wouldn't do it... you'll be begging for a neck BKP then, and you'll have to work again on your guitar later... :)
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you can here some awesome miracle man on a basswood ibanez clips here:
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=1097
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=2473
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=2578
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=2653
not your style or the appropriate amps for that, but still great :D
Nice site! Thanks!!
Thanks for the answers!!
Most of you have suggested me the Miracle Man bridge... It is good also for leads and solos? Because if it's I change only the bridge pick-up...
i wouldn't do it... you'll be begging for a neck BKP then, and you'll have to work again on your guitar later... :)
What neck pick-up do you suggest me for leads and solos?
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many would say cold sweat. it's a great neck pickup, but i tend to prefer nailbomb neck, because it has got more presence and mids... CS is a bit more scooped and warmer. both are great for leads (even if for dynamic distorted solos i generally prefer bridge pickups)... warpig neck is very very beautiful too, noone seems to ever mention it...i'd go for it in a calibrated set, though.
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miracle man
The truth Darth Hellstyle speaks. The Miracle Man you must have.
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Well, I will give you my "personal" thoughts...
I also play melodic death metal, and I've tried the Nailbombs (alnico set), Miracle man (set) and also the Painkiller bridge...
For my personal tastes, the PK didnt work at all... was too trebly with many highs - middle/highs... I had a bad time on stage when I change guitars from one with the MM to the PK... the sound changed a lot, and I had to start tweaking the amp on the fly... (bad moment).
I really think the MM are a great pickups for the style, very powerfull and great palm mutes, and it cuts really cool, nice compression... BUT I even think the Nailbomb is way better for the style... Way more... "melo-death"... more In flames/soilwork/darkTranquillity/ArchEnemy... at least, more for what I'm searching and for my guitas/amp/music/hands/ears.
I personally keep the MM in one guitar, and NB in other 3 guitars... (I'm waiting for a NB ceramic which I will put on an ESP explorer, and I think it will be really cool and thicker and tighter, I'll let you know).
But I think you cant go wrong with MM or NB... (but NB is godsent for melodeath).
Good luck and let us know when you get them... ;)
P.S. if you want to buy a set, Id go with a matched set, Iwoulnt mix, the MM and NB works perfectly theirself ;).
(Again, this is my personal taste, no more, no less... I guess there would be people who are not agree but well, just my 2 cents)
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Thanks at all for the answers!!(http://www.rockbelluno.it/forum/images/smilies/metal.gif)
Other suggestions for neck pickup?
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it strongly depends on the kind of neck sound you like best... nailbombs are sharper and middier, they sound almost like bridge pickups in terms of clarity (but of course they're undoubtably neck voiced), cold sweats are very, VERY smooth but even so note articulation is very good, holy divers are somewhere in between but have a very different voice frome the other two... more scooped than NB and sharper than CS... have you checked out my pickup shootout? they're all covered...
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it strongly depends on the kind of neck sound you like best... nailbombs are sharper and middier, they sound almost like bridge pickups in terms of clarity (but of course they're undoubtably neck voiced), cold sweats are very, VERY smooth but even so note articulation is very good, holy divers are somewhere in between but have a very different voice frome the other two... more scooped than NB and sharper than CS... have you checked out my pickup shootout? they're all covered...
A sound for leads and solos, a defined sound. I would hear the attack of the notes! I think that the neck Nailbomb can be good...
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i think it is, for sure! i would go for a balanced NB set, for melodic death...
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i think it is, for sure! i would go for a balanced NB set, for melodic death...
The bridge pickup most suggested is Miracle Man :D
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i haven't tried it (yet), but i agree with benkenove on the high opinion he has on the NB. i've got one set and i'm waiting for another... it's thick, tight but not too much, organic and defined but still not too much... and its frequencies are... well, right. at least for me.
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oh, and they're killers when palm-muted, even without the low grinding boom of warpigs...
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miracle man
The truth Darth Hellstyle speaks. The Miracle Man you must have.
when MDV and I about something agree, an unquestionable truth that shall be :lol:
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miracle man
The truth Darth Hellstyle speaks. The Miracle Man you must have.
when MDV and I about something agree, an unquestionable truth that shall be :lol:
:lol:
New forum rule :lol:
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Summarizing the options are 2:
- bridge Miracle Man, neck Nailbomb;
- Nailbomb set.
I'm very undecided :D
I know, I'm ballbreaker XD Last help!
Thanks!!
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The MM and NB are very different pickups; I'd have thought that would be an easy choice. Can you recap what youre after?
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Can you recap what youre after?
I don't understand this phrase...
However, I would a power, scooped and defined sound for rythm and a defined and equilibrated sound for leads and solos... I would to hear the attack of the notes!
(Nailbomb obviously with ceramic magnet)
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Miracle man then. Theres nothing scooped about nailbombs.
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MM bridge and NB neck? i don't think anyone here has got such a mixed set...
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Doesnt mean no one should.
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MM bridge and NB neck? i don't think anyone here has got such a mixed set...
the nailbomb neck is supposed to be hotter than a CS neck, which is a common combination with the miracle man (I don't think they match really well anyway)
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Doesnt mean no one should.
of course not, if not the contrary! ;)
but, if i've understood more or less how should a MM sound i don't think they match too well
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I dunno about that. All depends on that guitar and the person thats gonna play em. Havng had the MM bridge and NB neck in different gutars, I dont recall any aspect of it that would present a problem. the middle position has a good chance of sounding really, really cool as well!
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Doesnt mean no one should.
of course not, if not the contrary! ;)
but, if i've understood more or less how should a MM sound i don't think they match too well
Why not?
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y'know ...
get a set of Mississippi queens
:P
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Doesnt mean no one should.
of course not, if not the contrary! ;)
but, if i've understood more or less how should a MM sound i don't think they match too well
Why not?
i was just guessing, you know... bridge MM should be scooped (but i haven't got it yet so i just say what i heard on this forum), neck NB is bright and full of high mids... i'm not saying that they don't fit together, i just said they would be a strange couple... :)
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tim recomended me a miracle man bridge and nailbomb neck :?
(for sounds like machine head etc.... you guys dont rekon itul work?? maybe i put too much emphasis on cleaning up :?)
what u guys think better gettin a miracle man set?
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tim recomended me a miracle man bridge and nailbomb neck :?
(for sounds like machine head etc.... you guys dont rekon itul work?? maybe i put too much emphasis on cleaning up :?)
what u guys think better gettin a miracle man set?
The only time I ever didnt get what Tim suggested was the only time I ever sent bare knuckles back. The ones he said to get in the first place ended up being my favourite.
Do what he says.
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The only time I ever didnt get what Tim suggested was the only time I ever sent bare knuckles back. The ones he said to get in the first place ended up being my favourite.
Do what he says.
Then I should buy the C-Pig! :D
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Doesnt mean no one should.
of course not, if not the contrary! ;)
but, if i've understood more or less how should a MM sound i don't think they match too well
Why not?
i was just guessing, you know... bridge MM should be scooped (but i haven't got it yet so i just say what i heard on this forum), neck NB is bright and full of high mids... i'm not saying that they don't fit together, i just said they would be a strange couple... :)
The Bridge MM is not scooped. It is marginally more scooped than the more mid-heavy pickups such as the PK or Nailbomb, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have plenty of mids itself!! I find it can appear scooped sometimes because it accentuates the lows on the low strings and the highs on the high strings, but, at least in my experience, I find the MM a very balanced pickup.
Roo
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Doesnt mean no one should.
of course not, if not the contrary! ;)
but, if i've understood more or less how should a MM sound i don't think they match too well
Why not?
i was just guessing, you know... bridge MM should be scooped (but i haven't got it yet so i just say what i heard on this forum), neck NB is bright and full of high mids... i'm not saying that they don't fit together, i just said they would be a strange couple... :)
The Bridge MM is not scooped. It is marginally more scooped than the more mid-heavy pickups such as the PK or Nailbomb, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have plenty of mids itself!! I find it can appear scooped sometimes because it accentuates the lows on the low strings and the highs on the high strings, but, at least in my experience, I find the MM a very balanced pickup.
Roo
Then what do you suggest?
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Maybe neck Cold Sweat match better?
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Maybe neck Cold Sweat match better?
This thread really doesn't need 4 pages - go with Tim's suggestion!
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Maybe neck Cold Sweat match better?
This thread really doesn't need 4 pages - go with Tim's suggestion!
We aren't come to an end!
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i agree with roo... the fact is that EVERY contemporay BKP set works perfectly in a melodic death metal sound... they could be more or less precise but the're all tight and clear, perfect for both intricate riffing and longer lead passages... noone of them is a one-trick pony, noone of them is really dry, and noone is really loose... of course a nailbomb is middier than a cold sweat, smoother than a pankiller and brighter than a warpig or a holy diver, and so on... the thing you should ask yourself is what's the element of your tone you want to emphasize. you can't go wrong with ANY contemporary set, after all many reference tones come from stock pickups or "generic" devices like the JP or the EMG81 that is a very dry pickup indeed...
i've got EVERY contemporary set, exception made for the MMs - but i've just ordered them! :) - and the ceramic customs... i can tell you that for your genre i'd choose PK, NB or WP, but eric hellstyle could say that HD are way better, Nolly could say that CS are absolutely superior and someone else could tell you to choose vintage pickups and push them to limit. noone's wrong... you have to find what better fits your playing style and your unique sound.
if you ask someone you'll never get the RIGHT and definitive answer... but if you want something that gets close ask Tim... he's got much more experience than everyone of us!
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Sorry about hijacking the thread, but maybe we can join forces as I'm sort of in the same boat:
I’m planning to get my first 7 string guitar wich will probably be the Ibanez RG1527M if it ever comes to Europe (which seems unlikely so far) or the regular RG1527. They’re both basswood body guitars with a 25.5 inch scale.
So, right now I have a Washburn N2 tuned to B standard with a set of Evo's and I like the tone, having coil tap in both pu's, which gives you some nice options for cleans. But I don't play much in other guitars, so I don't actually know if I'm missing something.
So, since it's the “law” to swap pickups in these guitars, if I was going for BKP, what would you recommend? I like to play a lot of stuff, and although I won't be selling the other guitar (my first and only for... 14 years??), the 1527 should become my main guitar, so it won't be strictly a metal machine, although it's the main purpose. Song-wise, my references are Death-Symbolic, Carcass-Heartwork, Pantera, some more progressive stuff like Cynic, I was a fan of Dream Theater until Scenes of a Memory, then I lost interest, Devin Townsend, and instrumental guitar rock, like Satriani, Andy Timmons, Vai, or hard-rock like Van Halen (I'm always amazed with the Balance tone and songs!). These last mean less aggressive to clean tones, although not Fender clean. Tone-wise, from the above, I'll limit myself to Nevermore, Devin Townsend, some Dream Theater, Vai and Van Halen. I don't mean I want to copy those tones, just to play in the same ballpark. The other bands I mentioned, I think the tone works for them, not so much for me.
If it matters, I’m thinking about using 10-59 strings and will mostly use a Line6 X3. I also have a Laney GH50L but I can’t play it much anymore.
So, what would be your recommendations for BKP for this guitar and what can I expect from them compared to my Evo's (considering they’re in a guitar with different woods)?
I was already pointed to MM bridge (including from Tim himself) and CS neck or a CS set. I'm a bit afraid of the MM since it's said to be the less versatile BKP, and I want to have my clean tone options. From what I've red, the Nailbomb seems more versatile, but I'dd like to hear it from you.
If you feel this should be in a different thread, I apologize and I'll open a new one. Just thought I could join in.
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The only time I ever didnt get what Tim suggested was the only time I ever sent bare knuckles back. The ones he said to get in the first place ended up being my favourite.
Do what he says.
Then I should buy the C-Pig! :D
l' hai comprato? ;)
you have taken?
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ma siete compagni di band? :P
are you bandmates?
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Sorry about hijacking the thread, but maybe we can join forces as I'm sort of in the same boat:
I’m planning to get my first 7 string guitar wich will probably be the Ibanez RG1527M if it ever comes to Europe (which seems unlikely so far) or the regular RG1527. They’re both basswood body guitars with a 25.5 inch scale.
So, right now I have a Washburn N2 tuned to B standard with a set of Evo's and I like the tone, having coil tap in both pu's, which gives you some nice options for cleans. But I don't play much in other guitars, so I don't actually know if I'm missing something.
So, since it's the “law” to swap pickups in these guitars, if I was going for BKP, what would you recommend? I like to play a lot of stuff, and although I won't be selling the other guitar (my first and only for... 14 years??), the 1527 should become my main guitar, so it won't be strictly a metal machine, although it's the main purpose. Song-wise, my references are Death-Symbolic, Carcass-Heartwork, Pantera, some more progressive stuff like Cynic, I was a fan of Dream Theater until Scenes of a Memory, then I lost interest, Devin Townsend, and instrumental guitar rock, like Satriani, Andy Timmons, Vai, or hard-rock like Van Halen (I'm always amazed with the Balance tone and songs!). These last mean less aggressive to clean tones, although not Fender clean. Tone-wise, from the above, I'll limit myself to Nevermore, Devin Townsend, some Dream Theater, Vai and Van Halen. I don't mean I want to copy those tones, just to play in the same ballpark. The other bands I mentioned, I think the tone works for them, not so much for me.
If it matters, I’m thinking about using 10-59 strings and will mostly use a Line6 X3. I also have a Laney GH50L but I can’t play it much anymore.
So, what would be your recommendations for BKP for this guitar and what can I expect from them compared to my Evo's (considering they’re in a guitar with different woods)?
I was already pointed to MM bridge (including from Tim himself) and CS neck or a CS set. I'm a bit afraid of the MM since it's said to be the less versatile BKP, and I want to have my clean tone options. From what I've red, the Nailbomb seems more versatile, but I'dd like to hear it from you.
If you feel this should be in a different thread, I apologize and I'll open a new one. Just thought I could join in.
I prescribe the cold sweat. Take for 2 hours a day until all syptoms of shitety ibanez pickups tone have gone.
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ma siete compagni di band? :P
are you bandmates?
no ma, ho visto che il tizio che ha aperto il topic è italiano e volevo sapere se l'aveva provato! XD
non traduco ahahahahahah ;)
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Sorry about hijacking the thread, but maybe we can join forces as I'm sort of in the same boat:
I’m planning to get my first 7 string guitar wich will probably be the Ibanez RG1527M if it ever comes to Europe (which seems unlikely so far) or the regular RG1527. They’re both basswood body guitars with a 25.5 inch scale.
So, right now I have a Washburn N2 tuned to B standard with a set of Evo's and I like the tone, having coil tap in both pu's, which gives you some nice options for cleans. But I don't play much in other guitars, so I don't actually know if I'm missing something.
So, since it's the “law” to swap pickups in these guitars, if I was going for BKP, what would you recommend? I like to play a lot of stuff, and although I won't be selling the other guitar (my first and only for... 14 years??), the 1527 should become my main guitar, so it won't be strictly a metal machine, although it's the main purpose. Song-wise, my references are Death-Symbolic, Carcass-Heartwork, Pantera, some more progressive stuff like Cynic, I was a fan of Dream Theater until Scenes of a Memory, then I lost interest, Devin Townsend, and instrumental guitar rock, like Satriani, Andy Timmons, Vai, or hard-rock like Van Halen (I'm always amazed with the Balance tone and songs!). These last mean less aggressive to clean tones, although not Fender clean. Tone-wise, from the above, I'll limit myself to Nevermore, Devin Townsend, some Dream Theater, Vai and Van Halen. I don't mean I want to copy those tones, just to play in the same ballpark. The other bands I mentioned, I think the tone works for them, not so much for me.
If it matters, I’m thinking about using 10-59 strings and will mostly use a Line6 X3. I also have a Laney GH50L but I can’t play it much anymore.
So, what would be your recommendations for BKP for this guitar and what can I expect from them compared to my Evo's (considering they’re in a guitar with different woods)?
I was already pointed to MM bridge (including from Tim himself) and CS neck or a CS set. I'm a bit afraid of the MM since it's said to be the less versatile BKP, and I want to have my clean tone options. From what I've red, the Nailbomb seems more versatile, but I'dd like to hear it from you.
If you feel this should be in a different thread, I apologize and I'll open a new one. Just thought I could join in.
I prescribe the cold sweat. Take for 2 hours a day until all syptoms of shiteety ibanez pickups tone have gone.
+1 The CS & MM are almost always a winner in basswood Ibanez 7s.
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Sorry about hijacking the thread, but maybe we can join forces as I'm sort of in the same boat:
I’m planning to get my first 7 string guitar wich will probably be the Ibanez RG1527M if it ever comes to Europe (which seems unlikely so far) or the regular RG1527. They’re both basswood body guitars with a 25.5 inch scale.
So, right now I have a Washburn N2 tuned to B standard with a set of Evo's and I like the tone, having coil tap in both pu's, which gives you some nice options for cleans. But I don't play much in other guitars, so I don't actually know if I'm missing something.
So, since it's the “law” to swap pickups in these guitars, if I was going for BKP, what would you recommend? I like to play a lot of stuff, and although I won't be selling the other guitar (my first and only for... 14 years??), the 1527 should become my main guitar, so it won't be strictly a metal machine, although it's the main purpose. Song-wise, my references are Death-Symbolic, Carcass-Heartwork, Pantera, some more progressive stuff like Cynic, I was a fan of Dream Theater until Scenes of a Memory, then I lost interest, Devin Townsend, and instrumental guitar rock, like Satriani, Andy Timmons, Vai, or hard-rock like Van Halen (I'm always amazed with the Balance tone and songs!). These last mean less aggressive to clean tones, although not Fender clean. Tone-wise, from the above, I'll limit myself to Nevermore, Devin Townsend, some Dream Theater, Vai and Van Halen. I don't mean I want to copy those tones, just to play in the same ballpark. The other bands I mentioned, I think the tone works for them, not so much for me.
If it matters, I’m thinking about using 10-59 strings and will mostly use a Line6 X3. I also have a Laney GH50L but I can’t play it much anymore.
So, what would be your recommendations for BKP for this guitar and what can I expect from them compared to my Evo's (considering they’re in a guitar with different woods)?
I was already pointed to MM bridge (including from Tim himself) and CS neck or a CS set. I'm a bit afraid of the MM since it's said to be the less versatile BKP, and I want to have my clean tone options. From what I've red, the Nailbomb seems more versatile, but I'dd like to hear it from you.
If you feel this should be in a different thread, I apologize and I'll open a new one. Just thought I could join in.
I prescribe the cold sweat. Take for 2 hours a day until all syptoms of shiteeety ibanez pickups tone have gone.
+1 The CS & MM are almost always a winner in basswood Ibanez 7s.
I've been reading other threads in this forum and some other options came out. What do you think of the NB, ceramic NB and HD for the bridge?