Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Skybone on October 13, 2005, 01:14:56 PM
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I've just been looking at prices for a Vintage 30 on the ole t'interweb, and everyone seems to be doing them for about £55-60. I then went to http://www.award-session.com/, and they are selling them for £44.00 plus postage! That made it £52.95 for postage to an address in the UK Mainland, absolute bargain for a V30!
Just thought I'd share this finding with you guys! ;)
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I'm sorry; I don't know much about speakers; could somebody give me some basic info. Whats the best? Do different speakers use different magnets (they use magnets right?)? Would it ever be worth thinking about changing the celestions in my JCM800 combo?
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I've just been looking at prices for a Vintage 30 on the ole t'interweb, and everyone seems to be doing them for about £55-60. I then went to http://www.award-session.com/, and they are selling them for £44.00 plus postage! That made it £52.95 for postage to an address in the UK Mainland, absolute bargain for a V30!
Just thought I'd share this finding with you guys! ;)
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ooh cheers! As with all new guitar things I see, Id like a v30 or similar for my HRDx to give it more of a rock tone :lol: Anyone tried one in a HRDx?
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indysmith,
As you know, I've got the same amp as you, a 4104 800 combo, I found out not long after I bought mine that one speaker wasn't working, so I had to replace it. I've had a V30 loaded combo before, and they do sound sweet, so I went for one, and as I had it serviced at the shop I bought it from, I got it cheap.
The OEM speakers G12M-70's aren't made anymore, the closest is the G12T-75 found in most 4x12 cabs etc IMO don't sound that sweet, where V30's have supposedly been engineered for a better tone and what have you. I like 'em anyway, and most large amp companies fit 'em as standard equipment I believe (MESA/ENGL/some Marshall...)
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thanks, i think i'll read into it and make some decisions. Do they make a large difference to the tone? what i'm trying to say is it worth it? - or could i spend the money better on other tone-sweetening devices?
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V30s aren't for everyone - personally i am put off by the "scooped mid" sound. greenbacks or g12h30s are IMO better, but they might be too low watttage for you. give matamp an email about the celestion "hot 100", they seem to use it a lot
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V30s aren't for everyone - personally i am put off by the "scooped mid" sound. greenbacks or g12h30s are IMO better, but they might be too low watttage for you. give matamp an email about the celestion "hot 100", they seem to use it a lot
what the hell, scooped mids? Not in my amp ta! I thought v30s had a mid emphasis, as usual I'm probably wrong though..
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PM dave_mc on UG, he had side-by-side soundclips of four celestions and the v30 definitely had a more scooped sound - to my ears, anyway. maybe it was just compared to the greenback - i don't know.
what wattage is your amp? if it is 30w, the g12h30 could be a great speaker - low-end handling like the v30, but all the warmth of a greenback. i'l probably get one for my laney lc30 at some stage
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I thought v30s had a mid emphasis, as usual I'm probably wrong though..
I thought that also... but only because I assumed it because they are "Vintage"30s, and vintage sounds usually have more mids than moderner sounds.
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what wattage is your amp?
My amp's 50W. I'd like something sweet and warm, that does hi-gain sounds, but tints them a bit towards the vintage end of the spectrum. Kind of brown sound
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what wattage is your amp?
My amp's 50W. I'd like something sweet and warm, that does hi-gain sounds, but tints them a bit towards the vintage end of the spectrum. Kind of brown sound
I think im after the same kinda thing, but not really high gain, more vintage-medium gain like Slash/Dave Kushner tone!
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hmmm... that's a tricky one indeed... perhaps you'd be better looking into something Eminence, i seem to recall they have more vintage voiced stuff at higher wattage ratings - i'm not too sure though.
:lol: , i've been really helpful here - confusing people who thought they knew what they wanted in a speaker
the best advice i can give is, avoid the g12-75 like the plague.
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Vintage 30's are just what they're called. Most other Celestions have the number as a wattage rating, but not the V30, it's rated at 60w. Perfect for a 50w amp like the 4104 JCM800 combo's that both indysmith and I have. As the output impedance is 8 ohm, the speakers are both rated at 16 ohm, but the wiring is done in a way that it can take an 8 ohm load (I can never remember whether they are wired in series or in parallel!).
Like _tom_, I've always thought that the V30 was voiced more for mids, but Celestion say that it's voiced for "Tight bass, fat mids and a smooth, harmonically rich top end" and that "The Vintage 30 resulted from Celestion’s early steps to preserve the tonal characteristics of vintage speakers while using contemporary materials and construction techniques.".
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You can wire two 8 ohm in series to get 16 ohm (wire from one jack lug to first speaker + tab, - tab to next speaker + tab, next speaker - tab to other lug on jack). If you want 8 ohms, you get two 16 ohm in parallel ( two wires from jack tip lug, one to each speaker + tab, 2 wires from barrel lug, one to each speaker - lug).
When wiring multiple speakers you need to check that they are in phase. You do this by putting a battery across the each speaker's conections for a second. See which way the cone moves (it will be towards the front of back of the speaker). Do the same with the other speaker(s). You want them all to move the same way.
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Vintage 30's cost £45.33 from CPC and there's free shipping on that 'cos it's over £35. For info I'm pretty sure V30's are rated @ 60w rms these days.
The G12T-75 has a lot of extended top and with some Guitars/amps can sound quite shrill. A really nice combination in a 2 x 12 is a Vintage 30 and a G12T-75 or G12H. Quite a few of the boutique cab makers in the US extol the virtues of mixing a V30 with a slighly more toppy G12.
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Speakers can change an amp just as much as a pickup can change a guitar.
The only problem with V30s is in amps that don't have negative feedback in their design, you get a weird sounding harmonic as the speaker gets pushed hard. For years we'd settled on V30s as the main speaker at Matamp, and Dave and I spent ages trying to figure out where the harmonic was coming from, one day we plugged a different speaker in....
V30s have a better high mid, and I have to say I'm not sure I'd describe it as scooped. No celestion sounds that scooped to me, that's the celestion tone, Jensens do have a more scooped sound. Anyway, the V30 has the ability to make dodgy sounding amps sound better, and good amps sound good too. But, I find they don't always let the sound of the amp through, it always sounds like a V30!
It’s a loud speaker, very efficient, which is good, and the mid helps you be heard in a band. Sometimes an Alnico Blue sounds better, and sometimes G12Hs, Ts or Greenbacks, but you know that the V30 will give you the V30 sound with most amps. If you like it, then great go for it. I do! I guess the V30 is a but like an EMG….
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:lol: seems like i've caused quite a commotion here - i was just using my ears, it was acording to some side-to-side soundclips i'd heard. the v30 sounded scooped to my ears, but i suppose that was just because i'd just heard the same clip played through a heritage greenback, with its warm mids etc...
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hmm maybe I should try and get one of those greenback speakers then.. I bet theyre really expensive now ive said that!
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Just to add a bit to what HJM said about the V30 stamping it's own identity on the sound. Lots of guitar speakers will colour the overall sound, they're designed to, and I agree that the V30 does this more than most.
I guess the choice revolves around how much you want to depend on that feature and use it to get what you want.
However, from personal experience, and let's face it every opinion expressed here is to some extent subjective, the only 12" guitar speaker that is relatively neutral in this respect is the G12 Century. The century with it's neodymiun magnet (very small, very light) seems to faithfully replicate whatever your amp is putting out across a wide frequency range. Having said that it will not cover for short comings in you gear like the V30 will.
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hmm maybe I should try and get one of those greenback speakers then.. I bet theyre really expensive now ive said that!
Tom, FYI there's a post about G12M Greenback prices.
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a greenback has 20, 25 or 30 watts rating, depending on which one you get. (standard are 25, the more expensive "heratige" come in g12m, at 20w, and g12h, at 30w - but it is a greenback, not a g12h30. confusing? very.) not enough for a HRD afaik...