Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: aethyria on March 19, 2009, 03:09:30 AM
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Hi I want to put some bare knuckle pickups into a 7 string mahogany neck through guitar.
I want to have the same tone as the Irish black metal band Primordial I notice they use SG guitars but I do not know if they use stock pickups or not.
Another band that has a similar tone is the Norwegian band Enslaved they also appear to use SG's but once again I am unsure what kind of pickups they are using...
It is possible that both bands are using stock or even vintage Gibson pickups...
Which Bareknuckle pickups would be a close match to these bands?
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I will be playing it into an ENGL Ritchie Blackmore AMP, has anyone tried that amp with Bare knuckles?
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I use an ENGL Blackmore with BKP pickups. Two BKP-equipped guitars: a PRS McCarty with Cold sweat set and a vintage style strat (LQG -brand, built by a finnish luthier Lassi Nurmi) with BKP 'No. 1' set.
Works wonderfully! I'm not familiar with those bands, maybe someone else is. I did a quick listen with youtube though. Maybe Miracle man?
Do you mean that your guitar has a mahogany neck, or wings of mahogany? Or both? If it's all mahogany, there has been discussions on this forum that with mahogany, you should either get low output OR high output, somewhere in the middle it seems to get lost..
-Zaned
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Mahogany neck and wings 7 string carvin fixed bridge
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIdygkphYPk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIdygkphYPk)
Here is a link to some primordial...
Although they are an extreme metal band I think they are using a more vintage setup and are just pushing them hard.
I don't think they are using very hot pickups but I could be wrong. Their SG's don't look like they have been modified.
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i think they used stock Gibson pickups... anyway Cold Sweats are perfect for Enslaved, in my opinion.
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Primordial are all stock gear I believe. I'd suspect Enslaved are too.
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Yeah, I thought they were using stock Gibson pickups...
Would the Abraxas be a good match for this tone? or is the cold sweet a better match?
After reading everything in the product descriptions I was leaning toward the mule and the abraxas but I have no idea what would work best and have no experience with bare knuckle pickups...Most of my guitars are loaded with very hot dimarzios...like the X2N and the D-activators and I love them plenty but I wanted something more vintage on this next guitar
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i've got no experience with the abraxas... anyway i don't know why but many say that hot-vintage pickups don't work too well in SGs. in the contemporary range i'd say cold sweat for sure, they have an almost vintage voice and they've got great sharpness and clarity... so they're perfect for the sound of enslaved. if i'm not wrong they're voiced after ceramic gibson pickups - only better - so they should be similar to the real thing... only better!
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Your Description of the Cold Sweet sounds cool...I was hoping for something alnico because all my other pickups are ceramic and very hot...You described the pickup as having a vintage tone and I always mentally associated that with alnico instead of ceramic...but I have only tried maybe 10 different pickups so far and can't say I am an expert.
I currently have one guitar loaded with Dimarzio X2N and Super 2 and a 7 string loaded with D-Activators.
I love the above pickups but I really want this next guitar to sound very vintage but I intend on using it to play metal.
Is the Cold sweet extremely bright? I ask because I mainly only play neck through body guitars and they tend to be a little bit bright but I always get them with mahogany necks and bodies.
I really want to try for a vintage Gibson tone and I know I will not be able to get it exactly since I will be playing a 7 string neck through body guitar but I figure I will try to get as close as I can. I want more of a primordial tone then say enslaved...they sound similar but enslaved are brighter and thinner and primordial are thicker this may be due to EQ because the general tone is very similar between the two bands.
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no, they're not too bright, they're just very, VERY articulated... you can play full chords and still hear every single note and every subtle harmonic variation, even with heavy gain. they're not exactly vintage, but maybe the closest in the contemporary section... i know it's not the kind of sound you're after, but you can hear some CS tone here:
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16280.0
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dheim
Hey man, I am a huge Paradise lost fan I grew up on that stuff as well...cool clips man I can't believe how damn close you nailed the paradise lost tone on that clip. The leads and rhythms are spot on paradise lost tone. Great song man, the clips seems to be more of a holy diver sample though. you must be around the same age as me, I am 33. I actually bought Paradise Lost Gothic on Vinyl when it came out, I also love middle period PL but the later stuff got really weak.
I am also surprised you got such a good tone from the POD Xt...I have one as well after $%&#ing around with it I broke down and bought a Engl blackmore amp because I got so sick of damn pod XT fizz..
Here is a clip of me playing my 6 string carvin with X2N and my POD XT Live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIHjlpOgBI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIHjlpOgBI)
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Do you have any idea what would be good for an Ophthalamia - Via Dolorosa tone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPKCC0H0Qo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPKCC0H0Qo)
Above is a clip from that album. I love the guitar tone. Once again this band also has a very vintage kind of tone but they play extreme metal. They have a very Sabbath tone, I bet they are using SG's as well.
or better yet check out the song "slowly passing the frostlands" it is the first track on their myspace mp3 song list check it out below. I love this song it rules.
http://www.myspace.com/ophthalamia (http://www.myspace.com/ophthalamia)
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Anyone know how vintage (70's) a metal tone you can get with Nailbombs?
And anyone know how metal you can get a set black dogs to go?
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nailbombs in my opinion sound very modern, but they're very versatile, and can be used almost for everything... for a true vintage sound i'd choose something else, though...
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Like what?
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I just ordered my second Carvin DC727 so I need to pick something soon.
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Like what?
uhm... the only vintagey pickups i've got are a set of Mississippi Queens (humbucker sized p90s, that rock but are not what you 're looking for) (i'd try to play some black metal with them, though... if i'll have the time to do it i'll post something wicked soon! ;)) and a Sultan sincle coil (that definitely is not what you look for!)... i've got every contemporary pickup except for MMs, but they'll arrive soon...
so this is a long way to tell you that i can't but suggest you something obvious, like the Mules. there's plenty of heavy samples made with them, if you search the forum. tom did most of them, but he's into doom-stoner mainly.
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I dig stoner doom...like what some early Cathedral or Sleep? I mentioned enslaved but mainly because they have a more vintage tone then most other black metal bands...I really like bands like Enslaved, Primordial and Opeth they all seem to take Vintage equipment along with vintage ideas and merge it with death metal or black metal...out of the three I like Primordial's tone the most.
And essentially I want a similar tone on my new 7 string that I just ordered. Therefore I have been looking at the The Mule, Black Dogs and Abraxas.
However, I mainly play death metal etc. and I know I would be satisfied with the Nailbomb, warpig and painkiller but if I can take the vintage pickups and push them with my Engl blackmore head into something nice then that would be great.
I already have one 7 string with Dimarzio D-Activators and I have a 6 string with Dimarzio X2N and Super 2...so it is safe to say I usually buy hi-output pickups designed for the heaviest of metal...and like I said I am never unhappy with pickups of that nature I just would really like to be able to get a tone more like a Metal band in the late 70's. Those bands always had more character in their tone due to the lack of good distortion. These days everything sounds the same...I want it to be very clear chords under hi-gain and I want it to be beyod organic and non-metallic...
I already have several guitars that sound smooth compressed and modern
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a mule bridge with a MQ neck or a mule set is an effective combination (i haven't got yet mules but they're next - and last, i've finished my guitars! - in the list)... you could try also PiG90s in MQ cases... they're fat single coils wound hotter than most humbuckers (usually they're paired with warpigs)... i have got one in neck position and it's simply outrageously nasty and HUGE sounding while retaining every bit of a single coil clarity and attack... if you look for an unusual sound and love 70s metal this could be your choice!
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15397.0
here's a little comparison among the lead tones of a lot of pickups... i think it's clear that i love PL! ;)
for more incisive rhythm samples of bridge pig90 look again for _tom_ , he's done quite a bunch of them.
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Just wanted to chime in and bump this thread, for the sake of others looking for "vintage" black metal tone....
There's a band out there, that absolutely follows no previous formula of tradition with their black metal, and their sound is as Vintage as black metal can get - Christicide...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7U_5YA5gaM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7U_5YA5gaM)
Would have picked a different song, but sound quality of other youtube videos hosting their songs was complete ass. Would not be the least bit surprised if this band used BK's, as the tone is always thick, tight and articulated. No Dimmu Borgir ass-clown facepaint here.....aux légions noires françaises!
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very nice song, french BM bands are really emerging lately... their tone is very "classic", mildly distorted and very clear... i hear some burzum influence in riffing, here.
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Haha, well it's fair to say you'll hear Burzum influence with any music involving Satan to emerge within the last 20 years...
He (Burzum) belongs in the prototypal category along with Bathory, Venom, and Darkthrone, while evolving it's own complete entity within the genre.
France is really ascending its own torch of originality in this genre, that nowadays suffers so greatly from too much of the same.
BTW, i just checked out a couple Primordial albums and LOVE it!!! See what you mean about the vintage BM tone, so i figured i'd share some more (with Christicide). Blood Revolt is also killer, more cuz of that same singer (as Primordial), but with a different feel to the music and content. If you guys are into this stuff and are sick of all the same old shiteee, fear not, there's alot of great bands out there, and most of it's mostly popping up in France and a few random places around the US.
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Haha, well it's fair to say you'll hear Burzum influence with any music involving Satan to emerge within the last 20 years...
I like to think that there's plenty extreme metal, including black metal, out there that owes nothing to that Nazi asshole.
I also thought it a little odd to read you cite Burzum as fathers of black metal, but not Mayhem or Emperor.
Anyroads, France IS doing well for itself currently, in terms of black metal. Celeste is another to look for. But Britain is doing itself proud at the moment and in recent years with the likes of <code> (even if I'm being a wee bit sneaky claiming them), Caina, Fen, The Meads of Asphodel, A Forest of Stars, Dragged into Sunlight, Anaal Nathrakh...
EDIT: The above post comes across more hostile than I intended, wont change it though, as it makes a point, and I've strong feelings on the matter, playing militantly left wing black metal influenced bands and being extremely involved in the UK extreme metal scene, it's a cause of endless frustration that folks still insist on idolising several murderers, racists and bigots in black metal circles. :(
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Haha, well it's fair to say you'll hear Burzum influence with any music involving Satan to emerge within the last 20 years...
I like to think that there's plenty extreme metal, including black metal, out there that owes nothing to that Nazi asshole.
I also thought it a little odd to read you cite Burzum as fathers of black metal, but not Mayhem or Emperor.
It was more to state him being a proto-patriarch in the type of black metal niche he does; it wasn't for the sake of stating lineage. Those bands surely belong in there, but if any fairweather reader feels they that info, he can just crack up on black metal historical knowledge via wikipedia or something.
You missed my context, i said involving 'Satan', not black metal or extreme metal. Not that his music is nowadays a strong advocate thereof - simply that the darker, more atmospheric bands (with direct or indirect influence from burzum) tend to follow that subject matter and/or would undoubtedly be aware of his presence, at the very least.
And you can't judge his influence on black metal based on your view of his politics, that's we call bias - plus, alot of those guys were capricious enough in their youth to swing from many different contradicting angles; even Dark Throne claimed NS ideals for a short time. Just like he's out of jail now and claims nothing of the sort, by way adorning SS fatigues and other shock value hijinks - he simply grew out of it. Read the lyrics for Belus; just more folky, mythological tales about mountains and pagan lore.
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Haha, well it's fair to say you'll hear Burzum influence with any music involving Satan to emerge within the last 20 years...
I like to think that there's plenty extreme metal, including black metal, out there that owes nothing to that Nazi asshole.
I also thought it a little odd to read you cite Burzum as fathers of black metal, but not Mayhem or Emperor.
It was more to state him being a proto-patriarch in the type of black metal niche he does; it wasn't for the sake of stating lineage. Those bands surely belong in there, but if any fairweather reader feels they that info, he can just crack up on black metal historical knowledge via wikipedia or something.
You missed my context, i said involving 'Satan', not black metal or extreme metal. Not that his music is nowadays a strong advocate thereof - simply that the darker, more atmospheric bands (with direct or indirect influence from burzum) tend to follow that subject matter and/or would undoubtedly be aware of his presence, at the very least.
That's even farther removed, potentially. Any music involving "satan" owes influence to Varg Vikernes, you said, really? Come now. Aware of his presence, well, most will be, but it doesn't make it an influence.
And you can't judge his influence on black metal based on your view of his politics, that's we call bias
I didn't judge his influence based on his politics. I judge him based on his politics.
- plus, alot of those guys were capricious enough in their youth to swing from many different contradicting angles; even Dark Throne claimed NS ideals for a short time. Just like he's out of jail now and claims nothing of the sort, by way adorning SS fatigues and other shock value hijinks - he simply grew out of it. Read the lyrics for Belus; just more folky, mythological tales about mountains and pagan lore.
You're right many of them did, for the most part they were daft little boys trying to kid on they were evil. They weren't all trying to get books about their stance on blood pollution and the Aryan Front published in their 30's though. The new record, the one with this press release?
"As you might already know, my dear ladies and gentlemen, and others individuals too, I am no friend of the modern so-called black metal culture. It is a tasteless, low-brow parody of Norwegian so-called black metal anno 1991-1992, and if it was up to me, it would meet its dishonourable end as soon as possible. However, rather than abandon my own music, only because others have soiled its name by claiming to have something in common with it, I will stick to it. The 'black metallers' will probably continue to 'get loaded,' 'get high,' and in all other manners too behave like the stereotypical Negro; they will probably continue to get foreign tribal tattoos, dress, walk, talk, look and act like homosexuals, and so forth.
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This reminds me of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKzlfqmzpQ
Which cracks me up.
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Haha, well it's fair to say you'll hear Burzum influence with any music involving Satan to emerge within the last 20 years...
That's even farther removed, potentially. Any music involving "satan" owes influence to Varg Vikernes, you said, really? Come now. Aware of his presence, well, most will be, but it doesn't make it an influence.
Absolutely. Although I should have narrowed the label to "atmosphere-heavy black metal", as most people wouldn't immediately recognize the contextual main force and message behind a band such as Christicide. As your quote relates, Varg does not stand behind the modern wave of black metal, doesn't mean we can't site him as a proto-influence to this type of music (again, not all black metal.. HIS type!).
Any black metal band that adorns a baphomet in their log or album over owes a little, however small, homage to something like Venom or Bathory; as does any black metal band with a song over 7 minutes and involves a long, drony, 2 chord melody owes a little nod to Burzum.
You're right many of them did, for the most part they were daft little boys trying to kid on they were evil. They weren't all trying to get books about their stance on blood pollution and the Aryan Front published in their 30's though. The new record, the one with this press release?
"As you might already know, my dear ladies and gentlemen, and others individuals too, I am no friend of the modern so-called black metal culture. It is a tasteless, low-brow parody of Norwegian so-called black metal anno 1991-1992, and if it was up to me, it would meet its dishonourable end as soon as possible. However, rather than abandon my own music, only because others have soiled its name by claiming to have something in common with it, I will stick to it. The 'black metallers' will probably continue to 'get loaded,' 'get high,' and in all other manners too behave like the stereotypical Negro; they will probably continue to get foreign tribal tattoos, dress, walk, talk, look and act like homosexuals, and so forth.
Hmmm... is this suppose to convince me that he's a Nazi? Cuz, i'm not sure throwing the word 'Negro' around constitutes anything more than it's intended context, saying he thought modern black-metallers were full of shite party fag frat dudes... Sounds like fairly typical cynicism to me; if you're lookin for "PC" thoughts to come out of any strong-voiced, opinionated black metal band, then you're feelings are gonna get hurt pretty damn bad!!! If any central theme is shared between all those associated with this music, it's alienation, which he summarizes here pretty well.
As to not completely saturate this thread i'd please ask that you continue this debate in PM, as it seems we've gone way off topic. Although Primordial might just have a slight bit of Burzum influence (just a nibble, snack-size, maybe....hahah.)
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Anyway, back on topic - I have Mules in an all mahogany Yam SG200, and they do a great vintage Sabbath, if that helps you at all.
Mark.
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This reminds me of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKzlfqmzpQ
Which cracks me up.
well, i found this one. hilarious...
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Whoever thought it was a good idea to put two black metallers in a room together??? They always start arguing about exactly what is and what isn't black metal, and each is convinced they are the only person in the world who likes their type of music.
:)
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Whoever thought it was a good idea to put two black metallers in a room together??? They always start arguing about exactly what is and what isn't black metal, and each is convinced they are the only person in the world who likes their type of music.
:)
Its one of the things that irks me, actually
I'm not sure that this discussion exactly fits, but when metallers start talking about what amounts to musical taxonomy its incredibly annoying. Just listen to the bloody stuff and like it or not - free that grey matter youre using to categorise it all neatly into sub-genres for something more valuable, like tits and tit appreciation.
I know its music that generates strong opinions and has passionate followers, but metal chaps can get just a little bit rabidly opinionated and preoccupied with trainspotting trivialities.
But I sympathise with nfes....perhaps not view, but endeavour - he clearly loves whatever it is he thinks is black metal and whomever he believes it owes its existence to, but recognises the individuals that pass for luminaries in the field as the degenerate scum they are/were and is trying to distance himself and the current scene from those people and their idiologies.
Now I dont know or care if hes right or wrong in creating/defending that seperation, I'm just saying that if the bay area thrash and NWOBHM guys were, ostensibly at least, a bunch of murderous hyper-bigots I'd try and distance myself and what I like now from them too! Probably try and pin modern death metal on Atheist and all thrash on Exodus - metal hippies and libertarians are preferable to that!
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Seems like you guys are unnecessarily adding fuel to the flames - we saw it getting off topic and gave it a rest. As you've just shown, sometimes everyone just wants to add their opinion.... It's obvious opinions can cause fires and make things spiral in different directions, hence we gave it a rest. Sometimes it's just better to remain objective about things and leave opinions as they lay...
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Flames?
Fuel?
Nah. Just saying stuff.
Damn, theres a pic of hetfield I wanted to post there that says
GIMMIE FUE!
GIMMIE FIE!
GIMMIE JABADABAZAI!
That cracks me right up. Not making itself apparent though.
(Chill dude, its all in good humour :))
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No mate.... There's one far better than that -
(http://www.buddyhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/1.jpg)
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:lol:
That one rules too.
Robs face is class in it - he looks so dismayed and confused.
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(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/fuel-fire-lead.jpg)
Thats the $%&#er!
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Whoever thought it was a good idea to put two black metallers in a room together??? They always start arguing about exactly what is and what isn't black metal, and each is convinced they are the only person in the world who likes their type of music.
:)
:lol: :lol: :drink:
Seems like you guys are unnecessarily adding fuel to the flames - we saw it getting off topic and gave it a rest. As you've just shown, sometimes everyone just wants to add their opinion.... It's obvious opinions can cause fires and make things spiral in different directions, hence we gave it a rest. Sometimes it's just better to remain objective about things and leave opinions as they lay...
Relax. Going off topic is what we do here. :wink: