Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: MDV on March 20, 2009, 02:50:22 PM
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That isnt a schaller 456
Something that will work with a non-angled neck.
Suggestions?
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Kahler 3300?
http://www.edroman.com/parts/kahler/3300guitar.htm (http://www.edroman.com/parts/kahler/3300guitar.htm)
(http://www.edroman.com/parts/kahler/images/3300.jpg)
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Not a bad suggestion at all!
But its not black! (And doesnt come in it). And its hideous.
Other than that, its pretty cool! I could see me getting on with that in all funcitonal regards. But still, not black, and hideous.
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I'm surprised it's Chrome only - Kahler certainly used to manufacture it in Black because the Jackson Mustaine KV1 & Friedman KE1 used to have them. Perhaps trawl ebay because I'm certain they do exist.
Only other thing I can think of is a recessed Tune-o-matic with fine-tuning tailpiece (not sure if you can recess that though...)
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Comes in black http://www.wammiworld.com/u7330.html
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Yeah, it looks like you can get the 7330(is that a budget version?) in black here:
http://www.wammiworld.com/u7330.html (http://www.wammiworld.com/u7330.html)
Or the 3300 in black here:
http://www.banzaieffects.com/Kahler-3300-B-pr-21111.html (http://www.banzaieffects.com/Kahler-3300-B-pr-21111.html)
I can't do anything about it being "hideous", though. :P
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For some reason the black one isnt hideous, its actually cool. Thanks.
Now, I just dont trust thost gay little tree things to not suck tone.
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I cant find any differences between the 7330 and 3300 - the site has them as having identical spec??
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7330 is korean. Probably aint such a bad thing, but anywho
Expanded search criteria - best fix bridge for non-angled neck?
Bob pointed me toward ABM and cos I like schaller, the 3Ds. Its a bit hard to find a photo that doesnt make them look like tele bridges, but once you do - very nice solid looking chunk of bridge with good adjustment capability
http://www.thomann.de/gb/schaller_1477_3d6_steg_black.htm
However, I dont like little allen screws for action - not so comy for palm muting.
Any other contenders?
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the 2000 or 3000 are milled in the USA custom shop, the 7000's are cast i believe and are the standard factory model - still USA made. 4000's are factory made in china
http://www.wammiworld.com/Faq's.html
The first of 4 numbers in the family hierarchy represent the location of manufacture and manner of distribution. A "2" or "3" means it is hand milled through the USA custom shop. Sold only through Kahler International Inc., it is stamped Kahler "Made in USA". It is known as the "Professional" version. A "4" means it was factory made in China under exact SAE specs for Kahler and is primarily a lower price point trem for a guitar manufacturer to use. Stamped the "X-Trem", they are not sold thru retailers. A "7" means it was factory made in the USA and is the retail version most players will see. It is stamped Kahler "USA Hybrid"... Hybrid because it incorporates a locking screw to lock it into a fixed bridge. It's a full trem and a fixed bridge in one.
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Thanks Wez. Korean was just best guess. Probably would have been better not to state it as fact.
Any issue with the cast models, quality wise?
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Bob pointed me toward ABM and cos I like schaller, the 3Ds. Its a bit hard to find a photo that doesnt make them look like tele bridges, but once you do - very nice solid looking chunk of bridge with good adjustment capability
http://www.thomann.de/gb/schaller_1477_3d6_steg_black.htm
If you're bot bothered about fine-tuners anymore, how about Hipshot:
http://www.allparts.uk.com/hipshot-nontremolo-bridge-steel-saddles-p-2424.html?p=product (http://www.allparts.uk.com/hipshot-nontremolo-bridge-steel-saddles-p-2424.html?p=product)
Or good old Gotoh:
http://www.allparts.uk.com/gotoh-nontremolo-bridge-steel-saddles-p-2418.html?p=product (http://www.allparts.uk.com/gotoh-nontremolo-bridge-steel-saddles-p-2418.html?p=product)
They both have allen screws, but both have through-body stringing, better than the Schaller 3D, IMO.
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That fine tuner -hardtail design is great, makes you wonder why more guitars don't have them.
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Thanks Wez. Korean was just best guess. Probably would have been better not to state it as fact.
Any issue with the cast models, quality wise?
i have used the 7300 hybrid trem and am quite happy with it. i still havnt tried a milled one to compare it to but its a damn fine bridge... i imagine there will be a slight tonal change with the milled one
check here for comparisons
http://www.kahlerparts.com/Other_Pages/Compare.htm
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Would these units be low enough to work if the distance between the body and the strings was just the fingerboard? Like with a neck through guitar where the neck was completely flush with the body, the only height coming from the fingerboard...
Mark.
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Would these units be low enough to work if the distance between the body and the strings was just the fingerboard? Like with a neck through guitar where the neck was completely flush with the body, the only height coming from the fingerboard...
In that case, assuming there's also no back-angle on the neck, I don't think there's any bridge low-profile enough.
You'd probably have to recess the bridge, and use flat metal pickup rings (or direct mount them).
I think it would be too low, to be honest. You'd hit the top of the guitar with every pick stroke.
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no, fretboards are about 6mm/1/4" , add 2mm ish for frets and the same for action. very few bridges come in at less than 10mm. and these kahler designs work best with sadddles higher so you would struggle mounting them at the lowest possible position
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What do you folks think of the schaller hannes? Seems like a logical idea. Do try to cut through schallers borderline hysterical "we've got a new product and we're plugging it as hard as we can" blurb though :lol:
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http://www.schaller-guitarparts.de/hp112984/Schaller-Steg-_Hannes.htm
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my first thought was that it looked interesting... never seen one though so thats how it will remain till i try one or see one on a builders guitar i respect... ( more drunken friday night talk :) )
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What do you folks think of the schaller hannes? Seems like a logical idea. Do try to cut through schallers borderline hysterical "we've got a new product and we're plugging it as hard as we can" blurb though :lol:
It looks clever and sexy and high-tech, I guess, but there are too many component parts for my taste. I like simple things.
I'm sure it would be great on a "modern" guitar.
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my first thought was that it looked interesting... never seen one though so thats how it will remain till i try one or see one on a builders guitar i respect... ( more drunken friday night talk :) )
AH! BUT! What if I ask bob to put it on my new legra. You gotta respect bob, he da man, BUT I can be an idiot, so then its my fault and you might end up thinking its good cos bob did it cos I asked him to.
Sorry, just babbling
I fully see your point. Its got no rep. Its untested. Its got lots of endorsment blurb (a few luthiers have used it, but I dont know if they're good or not - if youre interested, the info is readily googlable)
Philly, I know how you feel about complex bridges, but I like the schaller 456 ;)
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Philly, I know how you feel about complex bridges, but I like the schaller 456 ;)
Yeah, I know. :lol:
FWIW, I think a Legra's just the kind of guitar the Hannes would look good on.
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Philly, I know how you feel about complex bridges, but I like the schaller 456 ;)
Yeah, I know. :lol:
FWIW, I think a Legra's just the kind of guitar the Hannes would look good on.
But...but....but....there is no "Legra". Bob makes anything. Theres everything in there from a battle-axe thing to a double necked les paul.
Now, my new Legra, thats another matter. Its most certainly not the norm, but asthetically it would be great on it. But thats not a significant concern. The kahler you suggested was front runner till I found this, and that was when I thought it was hideous. Now they're about equal. The idea behind this bridge (transmitting the vibration of strings independently) seems like a very good one. I like, but am suspicious.
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But...but....but....there is no "Legra". Bob makes anything. Theres everything in there from a battle-axe thing to a double necked les paul.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... but he has a "house style". And it is a modern style. Even his Teles look modern.
That's not meant as a criticism. It's almost a compliment.
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Mark, I say go for it. From what I've heard Bob likes new technology, and I think that PQs right - it's the kind of bridge that goes with the Legra image, if you know what I mean.
I think that it's a great looking bridge.
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Just to clear up a few points; MDV's new guitar is neck though but won't have the simple "plant a fingerboard on that plank" type of construction; the bridge needs to be about 11mm high; unfortunately the Schaller 455/456 only goes down to about 17mm in the centre.
Seems like you've got me sussed I am a sucker for new technology but only if the blurb about it stands up to rigorous scrutiny; I think the tech spec for this new Schaller bridge does.
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Coming in a little late here, but how about the FX Edge bridge Ibanez put on the JS2000CG?
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q50/sld5150/js_0001_small_medium_4.jpg)
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That Ibanez bridge looks like it is recessed into the body; unfortunately routing the top is one of things that have been ruled out by the bloody awkward customer other wise I could have used any bloody bridge. :lol: :lol:
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Coming in a little late here, but how about the FX Edge bridge Ibanez put on the JS2000CG?
I'm sure that works a treat for Joe Satriani, but it seems bizarre to me that anyone would want a fixed bridge that incorporates all the annoying, fiddly features of a Floyd Rose.
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That Ibanez bridge looks like it is recessed into the body; unfortunately routing the top is one of things that have been ruled out by the bloody awkward customer other wise I could have used any bloody bridge. :lol: :lol:
:lol:
The cheek!
I have been a right pain on this though - bobs been a saint putting up with it!
Anyhow, thanks for the suggestions chaps, but I'm going for the Hannes.
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er... what's wrong with routing the bridge in?
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floyd speedloader fixed?
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er... what's wrong with routing the bridge in?
I dont wanna, thats whats wrong with it :P
Besides I've quite thoroughly warmed to the idea of the Hannes now. I thought it had some good ideas behind it, and thought that it looked like it might be well excecuted, wasnt too sure because it was all hype-speak in the articles, and you dont know if people endorsing it were paid to or got free stuff or are after different things that you or whatever - but bob agrees that its got some good ideas behind it and in the design (enough that he was gonna get one to try it out anyway), and I cant find anything I like more. The kahler and the speedloader fixed are pretty good, but I want to give this independent string coupling thing a whirl now. Sure its not gonna work miracles - I mean it connects to a neck and body that dont decouple each string, but it might have some effect, and it looks really, really comfortable for palm muting :D