Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: jibidy on April 03, 2009, 06:53:48 PM
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Its a Shergold custom Masquerader and from the serial number i can date it to 1977, so its very old. It is in very good condition neck is perfect and no major dents or scratches.
Its my girlfriends nans and shes wants to know the value as she is moving out and needs money.
Ive been able to find out that it was between 160 and 170 pounds in 1976.
Its really nice and i might have to go for it myself. If i do i'll post pictures.
Cheers all.
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No idea what it's worth, but I do remember Mike Rutherford had a Shergold bass/12 string doubleneck many years ago. He might have had some 6/12 models too. And when I was at university there was a local band called The Tallboys, their guitarist played a Shergold (or possibly a Hayman). I always thought they were pretty cool.
This page might help, but I've no idea how up-to-date it is:
http://www.shergold.co.uk/buying.html (http://www.shergold.co.uk/buying.html)
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fairly nice 70's british make. i have seen them priced between £100-£700. the £700 is unrealistic and just because someone thinks they have a valuable guitar. these are not valuable, just slightly interesting... and quite cool - even with the badly designed headstock
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I used to sell Shergold's in the 70's. They were pretty good guitars (the Hayman's guitars are just the same with different pickups because the guy's who made them were the same). Mike Rutherford was probably their best known user. Check out this link for more info http://www.shergold.co.uk/ (http://www.shergold.co.uk/). I'm not sure how much they are worth nowadays though. Probably somewhere around their original price.
The hole in the headstock was from the original Hayman logo which was clear with an H embeded in it and it went through the headstock.
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i will say this... not easy to modify, at least if my expereince with a hayman 1010 was anything to go by
http://www.shergold.co.uk/gallery.html?item_id=37
the pickups were all mounted to a pair of aluminium plates which you can see through the pickguard in that link. Basically it was one large assemby of metal and magnets that dropped into the front of the guitar
now i took the pickups apart on mine (broken anyway) to find coils that pulled right off the pickup in one go and kinda resembled something that comes off an old hairbrush - no effort to prevent microphony at all
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Seems you got the wrong one philking. Heres the one.
http://www.shergold.co.uk/gallery.html?filename=hpc_custmasq6_1.jpg
As you can see it doesnt have the clear hole through headstock logo, but the black triangle shaped badge.
Im still considering it. It looks really nice and looks like a fun challenging project.
I think I'll have a closer look before deciding wether to buy.
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Go for it but dont pay too much IMO.
Shergolds/haymans were the guitars to have in the late 70s/early 80s as the output from Fender and Gibson was not only too expensive but was questionable quality too.
Many Punk/post punk bands used them. Peter Hook and Bernard Albrecht from Joy Div and New order used them, as did bands other bands. I would jump at the chance for a Shergold myself, at the time that they were available I had to make do with Antorias, Hondos and Satellites.
I'd love an old Shergold Masquerader, or Meteor. Cracking guitars, and true innnovators too. But sadly not worth what some folks are asking for them. Good playable guitars, but not in the same league price wise as others.
Again, dont pay too much, but they are a pretty playable guitar
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We did a fret dress and clean up on one last year - came out great - was really pleased with it
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Seems you got the wrong one philking. Heres the one.
http://www.shergold.co.uk/gallery.html?filename=hpc_custmasq6_1.jpg
As you can see it doesnt have the clear hole through headstock logo, but the black triangle shaped badge.
Im still considering it. It looks really nice and looks like a fun challenging project.
I think I'll have a closer look before deciding wether to buy.
Check carefully - a lot have the hole and the black badge just covers it.
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Yep my mistake philking hole and black cover :lol:
All that needs doing is refret for the zero fret and new nut. other than that it looks good and plays nicely.
I bought it for £60 by the way. Thats seemed reasonable for a nice vintage axe to me.
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I think for £60 you probably have a bit of a bargain there. They were not bad guitars at all, though I'm not sure how the pickups stack up.
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I will pay you £65!!
seriously, i think you would be looking £200+ on ebay. We need some pics
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£60 is a steal compared to what that would go for on eBay.
I brought my old 1967 Shaftesbury LP Black Beauty for £25 from someone at work. I loved the thing and thought it would be quite nice to have a pair, but they go for nearly £200 in nice condition on eBay so that should give you some idea of how these things go up in value when they're exposed to enough people.
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Thats very nice to hear :). I'll post some piccys soon. I think i'll see if someone will do the zero fret and nut for me *cough* you busy Jonothan (feline)?? *cough*
The pickups are nice. It has three three way switches. One for each pickup and a pickup selector. Splits and phases i think. Split sounds good. and full buckers sound great, and vintagey. Quite dark compared to my emerald Epi SG.
Its incredibly warm clean, then stomp for distortion and its too think to wade through(but it ain't muddy). Almost like a big muff!! Stomp the big muff and its insane haha.
I like it. Heres a quick phone pic. I'll get some gooduns tomorrow maybe.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/jibidygar/DSC00073.jpg)
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so its in a nice condition then
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I think its good. apart from the nut and zero fret. Would that be a quick job??
The body has many dings though nothing to brutal. Around the neck there is some weird stuff going on with the paint.
It looks like some fluid has got underneath the top coat and erased the colour...I'll get photos.
Here we go!
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/jibidygar/SG-Shergold0001.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/jibidygar/Shergolddama0001.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/jibidygar/Shergoldneck0001.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/jibidygar/Shergoldnek10001.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/jibidygar/Shergoldnut00001.jpg)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c382/jibidygar/Shergoldunco0001.jpg)
On close inspection around the neck joint It looks like the paint has cracked, Im not worried though the joint doesn't seem to be affected.
Also a pic of the nut and zero fret. if any luthiers care to look.
Theres nothing here that worries me. Chips and cracks in the paint aren't bad.
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Seems like a pretty good catch for the money! I like the burst too.
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I wasn't into bursts until I saw this. Now i'm fairly fond of them! It makes a guitar more ummm.... guitary I think.
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Any chance of a shot of the headstock? I'm really into these odd 'junky' guitar shapes at the moment.
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i wouldnt replace the nut unless trings are popping out, just sand the scratches out... when you have a zero fret its only acting as a string guide anyway
so yeah, just replace the zero fret and i would get the neck joint looked at but it most likely doesnt need anything doing.
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I love the pickups and the "Rik Waller's coffin" shaped bridge.
It's cool to see old guitars with completely unique parts and components (although it would be a total pain if you wanted to change anything).
That's absolutely brilliant for £60, mad bargain! :D
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That's a real bargain! Looks great - wasn't expecting to like it, but that sunburst is pretty :D
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I love the pickups and the "Rik Waller's coffin" shaped bridge.
:lol:
Good stuff for £60.00
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i wouldnt replace the nut unless trings are popping out, just sand the scratches out... when you have a zero fret its only acting as a string guide anyway
so yeah, just replace the zero fret and i would get the neck joint looked at but it most likely doesnt need anything doing.
The 5th string jumps out quite often... causes some grief so i think i'll get that done as well.
Is it an easy job to do one fret and nut wez? cheers.
After that i think i'll get the machine heads sorted but they do there job for now.
I'll get a headstock pick up I'm sur i had one buut clearly not. :)
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Is it an easy job to do one fret and nut wez? cheers.
shouldnt be too much, you dont have to worry about levelling too much when doing a zero fret. but there is room for debate on this
when i do a full refret with zero fret i level the whole lot together and you get an amazing low action, for a while. when i just repace a zero fret i go for the closest fret size thats bigger or close to the size of the fret already, you get a good action similar to most guitars have anyway.
it depends what someone wants because zero frets do wear faster from the constant pressure and tuning wear so making them match the frets costs more (fret levelling involved) and doesnt last as long before the zero fret is worn out. just replacing the zero and not levelling gives you a bit longer before the zero is worn out, and the action is usually as good as a normal nutted guitar anyway.... but not as perfect as it could be with a levelled zero which gives (to my mind) the perfect action at the nut as it is the theoretical lowest the nut/zero fret could ever be
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Would it be worth replacing the zero fret with a stainless steel one, to prolong the life?
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just did it on gwems stieny for that very reason, its a trem equiped guitar so zero fret wear is more of an issue, even if there is very little string travel behind the 'nut' on a steinberger
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Is it something I could do myself do you think? Or is it a pro job?
Edit: A quick google and i think i'll ask a experienced refretter.