Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Trev420 on April 03, 2009, 10:45:51 PM
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Hello, I'm in a fairly technical death metal band and am looking to replace the pickups on my B.C. Rich NJ V. The guitar has a neckthrough maple neck, ebony fretboard, and mahogany wings. I currently have an Invader in the bridge position and although it's decent for single note metal rythyms, it's far to saturated/muddy/harsh for the fast, complex, death metal stuff. I'm looking for a set of pickups that deliver an open, organic sound but that have plenty of midrangey grind to them. They should be able to acheive a smooth, liquid like lead tone and a grindy yet articulated rythym sound. The highs should be present but not to bright or ice pickey and the bass should be relatively tight but not uber compressed. The guitar will be run through an ENGL Savage 120 and due to the amp's inherent uber-tightness pickups like the Painkiller and C-Pig might just over compress the sound.
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Painkillers maybe.
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Would a C-Bomb bridge, A-Bomb neck setup work for what I want? Oh and the guitar is tuned to A# standard.
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I currently have an Invader in the bridge position and although it's decent for single note metal rythyms, it's far to saturated/muddy/harsh for the fast, complex, death metal stuff.
Karl and Dallas disagree. :lol:
I think Painkillers might be the way to go, mate.
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I have heard tell that for really low tunings, you don't need quite so much punch, as the muddiness comes in spades. My instinct says miracle man, but that might be way too much. Holy diver, or even a Black Dog might be all you require if you wanna keep it tight like a tiger.
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ask mdv and nolly... i'd say PK or C-pigs
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C-Pig + Engl = would definitely trigger a blip on a seismograph :)
Reg
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Painkiller
Right
$%&#ing
Now!
Seriously...we have pretty close tastes by the sound of it, and the PK is my favourite pickup. It fixes exactly what you dont (saturated/muddy/harsh for the fast, complex, death metal stuff) like about the invader and does exactly what you asked for (open, organic sound but that have plenty of midrangey grind to them. They should be able to acheive a smooth, liquid like lead tone and a grindy yet articulated rythym sound. The highs should be present but not to bright or ice pickey and the bass should be relatively tight but not uber compressed).
Its remarkably uncompressed for the level of brutality it delivers, it ticks all the boxes and is generally awesome for tech deth.
Stands up to very low tunings the best too.
Not so much tech deth, but partly, and not even close to the sound these things can make through a good amp (I play a powerball) but heres one I made earlier
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13664.0
Thats double screw pole though, and I recommend you get that to compesate for the maple throughs *probable* lack of low end.
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Oh, and I own/have owned the A-Pig, C-Pig, NB and MM of the high output humbuckers, and have played the CS. The PK is the best for the tech death and fits your bill perfectly.
I tune to drop A#, btw, 12-64.
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I currently have an Invader in the bridge position and although it's decent for single note metal rythyms, it's far to saturated/muddy/harsh for the fast, complex, death metal stuff.
Karl and Dallas disagree. :lol:
I think Painkillers might be the way to go, mate.
That frustrates me, y'know! I DESPISE the invader, for the reasons the OP stated, and $%&#ing wish karl and dallas would play some bloody PKs or C-Pigs and get the tone their playing really needs!
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I currently have an Invader in the bridge position and although it's decent for single note metal rythyms, it's far to saturated/muddy/harsh for the fast, complex, death metal stuff.
Karl and Dallas disagree. :lol:
I think Painkillers might be the way to go, mate.
That frustrates me, y'know! I DESPISE the invader, for the reasons the OP stated, and $%&#ing wish karl and dallas would play some bloody PKs or C-Pigs and get the tone their playing really needs!
Yeah I totally agree. Although their tone is pretty cool for the doomy/slower stuff, certain parts on Ithyphallic just sound way to saturated and muddy for me. Their tone was much better on ITDS IMO. At any rate, looks like the pain killer it is although it'd be interesting to read what Nolly has to say. He has the C-bomb, N-bomb combo and sometimes drops his lower string to Gb for the Sikth stuff.
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I currently have an Invader in the bridge position and although it's decent for single note metal rythyms, it's far to saturated/muddy/harsh for the fast, complex, death metal stuff.
Karl and Dallas disagree. :lol:
I think Painkillers might be the way to go, mate.
That frustrates me, y'know! I DESPISE the invader, for the reasons the OP stated, and $%&#ing wish karl and dallas would play some bloody PKs or C-Pigs and get the tone their playing really needs!
Yeah I totally agree. Although their tone is pretty cool for the doomy/slower stuff, certain parts on Ithyphallic just sound way to saturated and muddy for me. Their tone was much better on ITDS IMO. At any rate, looks like the pain killer it is although it'd be interesting to read what Nolly has to say. He has the C-bomb, N-bomb combo and sometimes drops his lower string to Gb for the Sikth stuff.
ATOTW is my favourite of their tones. I dont like ithyphalics sound because its nasal as $%&#. But anywho...edit above to recommed double screw pole.
I cant see a C-Bomb being better for low stuff than a PK, based on the NB and difference between C8 and A5 but yeah, nolly has knowledge of some configs I dont, lets see what he says...
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ATOTW is my favourite of their tones.
I just wish In Their Darkened Shrines sounded as good as Annihilation. Then what an album that'd be.
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ATOTW is my favourite of their tones.
I just wish In Their Darkened Shrines sounded as good as Annihilation. Then what an album that'd be.
Tru dat, my friend, tru dat.
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Everything written in the first post screams PAINKILLER!!!!!!
Do it and never look back!
Roo
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Everything written in the first post screams PAINKILLER!!!!!!
Do it and never look back!
Roo
i left the last word to specialists but it's my same idea...
PAINKILLEEEEEAAAAAH! :lol:
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i left the last word to specialists but it's my same idea...
PAINKILLEEEEEAAAAAH! :lol:
Yes that should be right, (listen to the other tech metal fans !) nevertheless, you show some signs of maybe an alternative to the PK :
'Invader in the bridge position and although it's decent for single note metal rythyms, it's far to saturated/muddy/harsh for the fast, complex, death metal stuff :' [/i]
Any ceramic BKP and also most of the A5 ones may cure that issue
'a set of pickups that deliver an open, organic sound :'
That is the pure definition of the NB !
'but that have plenty of midrangey grind to them :'
no one beats the PK on that point BUT don't know if the NB would be so bad here...
'to acheive a smooth, liquid like lead tone :'
NB ! NB ! NB !!! that's exactely the NB which is at his best on that field. Look at the clip from Lepermesa called "september solo" in the player section, and of course the one from Tim, those ones must convice you !
'and a grindy yet articulated rythym sound' :
no one beats the PK here, which is also very very clear so much so that it exposes your playing a lot. The NB is also very articulated (it is one of his main features) but maybe little less (don't know...). The PK is expected to be better for detuning because it is soooo articulated and sooooo clear !
'The highs should be present but not to bright or ice pickey :'
ANY BKP should fit the bill here, I suppose, no ?
'and the bass should be relatively tight but not uber compressed' :
NB ! The PK is the most tight BKP, some say it is surgically precise ! The NB is little less tight, a little....
'The guitar will be run through an ENGL Savage 120 and due to the amp's inherent uber-tightness pickups like the Painkiller and C-Pig might just over compress the sound.':
If the tech death specialists of this board say this would not be a problem for the PK, then trust'em !
When I asked Tim for a 'less-tight-less-bright-more-warm PK' he said : NB (but to put it in the context, it was for heavy metal stuff, not for tech death !)
PDT_003
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yeah! definitely NB is a great alternative to PK for leads (but for rhythms PK is better)... this is my opinion based mainly on the simple fact that my playing is not so tight to benefit from an uber tight setup... NBs are enough for me, but i see why technical players prefer PKs... anyway they sound both great.
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Ok so the V will be outfitted with PK's for super tight rythm work; and I shall soon be purchasing an ESP Horizon which will be outfitted with Nailbombs for leads.
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excellent choice!
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for a second I thought "tech death" was some awkward genre of metal unbeknownst to me, I'm not sure how many times i've scoured internet guitar forums with threads like-
"need some br00talz death metal"
"no thats melodic metal core!"
"incorrect its actaully gothic-nu metal"
"quite you fools its tech metal!"
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for a second I thought "tech death" was some awkward genre of metal unbeknownst to me, I'm not sure how many times i've scoured internet guitar forums with threads like-
"need some br00talz death metal"
"no thats melodic metal core!"
"incorrect its actaully gothic-nu metal"
"quite you fools its tech metal!"
I despise the "Tech" prefix being used to describe metal bands. 75/100 times it should be replaced with "pretentious", 20/100 it should be replaced with "Can't play remotely as well as we think we can" 4/100 it simply means "we're pretending what we're playing is really complex, but it isn't really" and the remaining one it might have some merit.
:lol:
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for a second I thought "tech death" was some awkward genre of metal unbeknownst to me, I'm not sure how many times i've scoured internet guitar forums with threads like-
"need some br00talz death metal"
"no thats melodic metal core!"
"incorrect its actaully gothic-nu metal"
"quite you fools its tech metal!"
I despise the "Tech" prefix being used to describe metal bands. 75/100 times it should be replaced with "pretentious", 20/100 it should be replaced with "Can't play remotely as well as we think we can" 4/100 it simply means "we're pretending what we're playing is really complex, but it isn't really" and the remaining one it might have some merit.
:lol:0
you're not far from my opinion... ;)
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I despise the "Tech" prefix being used to describe metal bands. 75/100 times it should be replaced with "pretentious", 20/100 it should be replaced with "Can't play remotely as well as we think we can" 4/100 it simply means "we're pretending what we're playing is really complex, but it isn't really" and the remaining one it might have some merit. :lol:
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What a scientific statement... in which the famous 'imo' might be missing ! :lol:
Anyway, back to topic, considering the fact the guy may have the chance to be in the remaining one percent you consider, what would you recommend him for his 'tech' music ?
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I despise the "Tech" prefix being used to describe metal bands. 75/100 times it should be replaced with "pretentious", 20/100 it should be replaced with "Can't play remotely as well as we think we can" 4/100 it simply means "we're pretending what we're playing is really complex, but it isn't really" and the remaining one it might have some merit. :lol:
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What a scientific statement... in which the famous 'imo' might be missing ! :lol:
Anyway, back to topic, considering the fact the guy may have the chance to be in the remaining one percent you consider, what would you recommend him for his 'tech' music ?
Thisis where my sig comes to the fore :wink: :lol:
AndPainkiller, like I did to start with :wink: :lol:
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FWIW, I tend to look at the music as a whole, rather than any one specific part. If it sounds good, who cares if it's 80% as complicated as it purports to be? In fact, it shouldn't really be purporting to be anything, much better for the band to shut up and let the music do the talking. Whether other people put my band in the hardcore category, the 'metal' supercategory, or any other random assignment you care to mention, has no bearing on the actual music, which may or may not also be cack.
Ultimately, none of it sounds like the Beatles, so we should all rejoice in that uniting fact! (Sorry 38th).
Roo
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FWIW, I tend to look at the music as a whole, rather than any one specific part. If it sounds good, who cares if it's 80% as complicated as it purports to be? In fact, it shouldn't really be purporting to be anything, much better for the band to shut up and let the music do the talking. Whether other people put my band in the hardcore category, the 'metal' supercategory, or any other random assignment you care to mention, has no bearing on the actual music, which may or may not also be cack.
Ultimately, none of it sounds like the Beatles, so we should all rejoice in that uniting fact! (Sorry 38th).
Roo
Amen ;)
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$%&#ing hails man
take a look at my stuff
nailbomb bridge in a super strat. charvel fusion deluxe
and warpig in the bridge of a american standard strat fender.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef3kVURwCdw
Hope it helped.
JP
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Welcome back WFD! You've been gone too long, man!
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FWIW, I tend to look at the music as a whole, rather than any one specific part. If it sounds good, who cares if it's 80% as complicated as it purports to be? In fact, it shouldn't really be purporting to be anything, much better for the band to shut up and let the music do the talking. Whether other people put my band in the hardcore category, the 'metal' supercategory, or any other random assignment you care to mention, has no bearing on the actual music, which may or may not also be cack.
Ultimately, none of it sounds like the Beatles, so we should all rejoice in that uniting fact! (Sorry 38th).
Roo
Yes.
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the painkiller isn't as compressed as one might imagine. it should be a good choice.
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If you're a Nile fan, as your username suggests, you really can't go wrong with the ceramic Warpig. That is the ultimate death metal pickup IMO. Extremely brutal and sinister tone, and a great match for guitars with maple necks and ebony fingerboards. The PK is great too but that's more bright and IMO well suited for slightly darker guitars.
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If he just wanted Nile, yeah - C-Pig.
That aint what he asked for though...?