Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: the prince of shred on April 05, 2009, 10:33:54 PM
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right i want/need a new amp...
its for modern metal really, i want to achieve sounds like machine head, children of bodom, trivium, bullet for my vallentine etc... generic modern metal really :evil:
big bass, cutting punchy mids, searing top end,
however i would also like a touch of versatility... some ok cleans n lower gain sounds...
i am currently considering a marshall dsl-50 and was considering a peavey 6505 but the price rise is ridiculous...
do you guys reckon the dsl-50 could do those kind of levels of gain? is the dsl100 "heavier"? what about the jvm205?
i played the mashall 85th aniversary edition 100 watt head n really liked it and apparently thats basically the dsl100 with a tiny touch more gain.....
sorry if you guys want me to clarify stuff as i may be unclear....
any suggestions as to what amp i should get??
my budget is around 700 quid
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i'd say whatever you like but NOT a marshall! not for the kind of sound you described...
i'm getting monotonous but have you ever tried a bugera? they're cheap but sound like great amps and mine hasn't blown up yet after a year... :)
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really? too much brittish voice in the marshalls? not modern enough??
i have but im just very dubious about them....
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I think a Bugera 6260 or 6262 would be right up your street.
Machine Head, Trivium and BFMV use Peavey 5150/6505 and the Bugera is essentially a straight copy of it.
Bodom from what I can recall use Lee Jackson GP-1000 pre-amps into a power amp. I've seen him use TSL's and Peavey's as poweramps.
Yeah, you're definitely best off with the Bugera! or a second hand Peavey.
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I was at the Bugera booth this weekend on Frankfurt MusikMesse, and I have to say their 333XL is a crushing amp for modern styles, an amazing bottom end and crunch. I cannot judge on the build quality, but your budget would give you that amp and some spare money - and when you buy at Thomann or so, you'd have 3y warranty anyways. Try it!
http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/products/333XL.aspx
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Alexei from COB has also used the Kerry King Signature amp, which has the built in noisegate and assault control, which sounds pretty good although i'd advise trying one out, should be able to get for 700 if you haggle
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I would got for a second hand 5150 or 5150-II. You'll end up saving up and buying one anyway, so why not cut out the middle man!?
PS I picked up a 5150-II plus angled 5150 cab for 700 about 2 years ago. Don't be scared of getting these amps second hand, they are built to last (and, like all tube amps, a little bit of well-spent maintenance money (or DIY time!) will keep them lasting good as new for a LONG time!)
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ok so despite everything cost wise im guna wait till my next paycheck n buy somthing around the 800 pound mark now....
so seeing as this broadens my horizons further.... what amp??
looking at: peavey 6505, engl firball, any others??
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I do know those bands ;-) and have seen them live more than once ;-) and I do have a 5150 myself.
I also have a Krank Rev Jr. I use that much more now. To be honest, both amps would nail that type of metal tone... and a Marshall JVM as well.
The Krank has a bit more slamming rhythms, the 5150 fatter solo sounds and the JVM is just a really great solid amp in all categories.
I would not recommend the DSL or TSL series at all. However somebody pointed out the Kerry King JCM800 - that is actually my "dream amp" a bit, I don't have one because it is way too large and loud.
The Fireball is a great amp, but tonally it is more in the ENGL/Mesa area (ENGL always reminds me of Hammerfall or Dimmu Borgir somehow).
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ok so despite everything cost wise im guna wait till my next paycheck n buy somthing around the 800 pound mark now....
so seeing as this broadens my horizons further.... what amp??
looking at: peavey 6505, engl firball, any others??
If you're lucky you can find a Soldano Avenger for about 900 GBP used. Doesn't get much better than that ... well maybe a bit too smooth for your tones.
I agree with the JVM, it feels a bit fiddly but sounds really great!
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does the jvm get heavier than the dsl etc then?
does the 210/205 have the same levels of gain on tap or less than the 410?
how is the firball tonally different to the peavy? tighter with less mids?
n i havnt even heard the kk marshall whats it like? doesnt it sound abit more brittish and old school thrash style??
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also anyone ever played a laney gh50l or gh100 tommi iommi sig?? what are these amps like? the ti version got lots of gain??
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Alexei from COB has also used the Kerry King Signature amp, which has the built in noisegate and assault control, which sounds pretty good although i'd advise trying one out, should be able to get for 700 if you haggle
Yes, this is one of many amps he has used as a power amp. He just uses the power sections of the amps. For which the KK head is a good choice, KT-88's in them i believe?
And it looks cool! i think thats why he doesn't use a full rack unit, the heads look cooler on stage.
I still say he should get a 5150-esque amp.
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are you saying the KK looks cool? or just having a head on stage looks cool?
since id have to say the KK is one of the ugliest amps around thanks to the tribals on the grill
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are you saying the KK looks cool? or just having a head on stage looks cool?
since id have to say the KK is one of the ugliest amps around thanks to the tribals on the grill
id have to agree with that ... it is ugly but thats not important...
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so you guys still say a 5150? over a jvm or a engl fireball?
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ok anyone...?
fireball?
5150?
jvm 410?
framus cobra??? (if i can find one cheap)
other??
i want it tight bassy punchy cutting midds but not mid heavy, n searing treble but not fizzy n harsh obv.... ;)
also what speakers would match these amps??
do g12k100's work well with a fireball or would something warmer with lower watt handling be better for this one??
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yo,
I've owned a 6505, played a 5150 II, GH100L and a recorded with a GH100TI. I also own a Soldano Avenger.
The Avenger will do what you want but its kind of out the price range.
I'd avoid Bugera because id rather get a 'built like a tank' second hand 5150 than risk the reliability issues ive read about with Bugera. though im sure not all bugera heads have problems.
GH100L is a cool head, and the TI does have some serious gain. a few guys who play harcore around london have the TI. its real cheap and it does metal well. i enjoyed it, but id try and play one first if i was you, just to check you dig it.
Id go with the second hand 5150/6505 option. my 6505 was a bit noisy for me, I also did the bias mod to mine so i could get more heat into the power tubes. but yeah. i did a few tours with my 6505 and it was super solid and reliable, and apart from the hiss (this is a super hi gain head) it was fine for me.
has anyone hear tried Leboga amps? id be down to try one of those out.
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their was actually a leboga head at my local music store a few weeks ago.... but was wayyyy outa my price range and was sold pretty quick i think they may have orderd it in for someone or summin ....
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ive never seen any anywhere. i have no idea what they sound like. i found those and soundman heads from poland through a friend. i didnt know they'd cost SO much.
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I've always liked the sound of Engl Blackmore clips I've heard for the modern metal thing.
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blackmores abit pricey for me but i agree they do sound nice....i think if its an engl ill go for the fireball, an added bonus is that i do like their cleans :)
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blackmores abit pricey for me but i agree they do sound nice....i think if its an engl ill go for the fireball, an added bonus is that i do like their cleans :)
thats cool. cleans on the 5150 blow goats
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yup, but they do sound good for my high gain shabang.... n they have some nice low mid grind going on..... damn this is a toughy... i thought itud be easier once i gave myself a bigger budget..... :shock:
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I've just come back from a gig with my 5150-II, boosted with a bloody murder, noise reduction with an ISP decimator prorackG, speakers in the cabs were: 2xG12K-100 + 2xEVM12L black label and a 2x15"+2x8" bass speaker cab I made up.
I can't recommend this to you strongly enough. Stop mucking about and get yourself a 5150 or 5150-II second hand!!!!
Roo