Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: MDV on April 06, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
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Like title says...
The objective of this exercise is to find a trem thats good, well engineered, etc, most importantly SOUNDS good (low end and sustain are musts), fits an OFR routing, is low profile and doesnt cost more than the guitar.
Any ideas?
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how about an off the wall suggestion ;)
these are currently in development and starting to interest me
http://guitarworks.thestrandbergs.com/
the current version needs an extra recess behind the floyd route... the next generation ones should be a drop in if they work out alright
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No thanks, not fussed for it.
Besides, need it now. If I get some good suggestions I'll be ordering today.
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doesnt matter, ordered a gotoh, the whale tale doesnt bother me that much.
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Ping 'floyds are decent.
(no pun intended, but didn't stop me from chuckling lol)
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^ :lol:
the sustain on the gotoh's pretty good, and pretty warm tone too from the brass block. i *think* it's the same size as an ofr, but i have a sneaking suspicion that the studs are marginally bigger. the fine tuners are well out of the way, so although it's not like a lo-pro, it's not as "bad" as an OFR either ("bad" meaning if you prefer the feel of a lo-pro, that is).
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how about an off the wall suggestion ;)
these are currently in development and starting to interest me
http://guitarworks.thestrandbergs.com/
the current version needs an extra recess behind the floyd route... the next generation ones should be a drop in if they work out alright
hey wezv, what's the advantages of these things? I'm looking at the site and I can't work out why anyone would want one
I can't even figure out how your suppose to change strings unless I missed something
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hey wezv, what's the advantages of these things? I'm looking at the site and I can't work out why anyone would want one
I can't even figure out how your suppose to change strings unless I missed something
they are a headless bridge so the strings get locked at the other end and tuned using the bridge thumbwheels. my main interest is in the single string bridges for a headless fanned fret design... i guess i just like the look! Not sure the trem is a viable option just yet but the new version could be interesting... also - how many aluminium trems are there in the world. could be good if they get it right... and its good to see the development.
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ah I didn't notice it was aluminium, is it stiffer than steel? I would have presumed steel would be better material and stiffer and so it would transfer more tone from the wood, not that I have much of a clue what I'm on about
now I've given myself a random thought, what about carbon fibre as a bridge material? probably a bit fiddly and rather expensive though
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not stiffer, aluminium can be quite soft compared to other metals which is why the knife edge he is using is a removable piece of hardened steel - i think he experimented with bearings as well
But there are some nice sounding bridges/tailpieces made from aluminium so the idea of using it for a trem makes some sense... if it can stand up to the abuse
the fact its 1/3rd the weight of a floyd is interesting.
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Carbon fibre is very strong in tension, but not very strong in compression and it isnt very hard.
Tungsten knife edges, thats what you want. Its real lifes adamantium.
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depleted uranium is nice too. a bit heavy, maybe.
:|
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Its not very hard though. Its used in shells for its density and how it deforms on impact (shears off outer layers maintaining a point, rather than compressing to a flat surface, increasing penetration).
Tungsten is still the one.
And in hindsight, I feel a bit silly getting a gotoh and planning to block it. I suppose, maybe, just maybe, I might learn to use a trem.
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go for it, trems are awesome. :D
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And in hindsight, I feel a bit silly getting a gotoh and planning to block it. I
i was about to tell you this very thing, before my armoured warfare fetish made me almost forget it... :)
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Good calls on the Gotoh, dave - the whale tale is shallower and further back and doesnt interfere with picking at all, and the posts were wider - a pain when you dont have a drill bit of the correct diameter!
Got it all in though. This things very nice. Well put together bit of kit. No idea how it stands up to abuse though - I quite likely wont. Its locked down at the moment. maybe if the whim takes me.
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cheers mark :) though if i'm wearing long sleeves when playing (very rarely do), i still sometimes get my sleeve caught under the whale tail... :lol:
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http://guitarworks.thestrandbergs.com/products/
Reminds me of the steinberger ones.
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cheers mark :) though if i'm wearing long sleeves when playing (very rarely do), i still sometimes get my sleeve caught under the whale tail... :lol:
In the winter I'm constantly wearing a hoodie because the house is kept cold, so whenever I play my Ibanez guitars with original edge trems I always catch the sleeve and get those unintentional warbling flutters! :chain:
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I found a video of the steinberger ones trems the other day!
they bend all the strings down by the same amount of pitch so you can use them on chords, and you can lock it standard or any drop tuning!!!!! I want one!!!!!
I'd love to know how they work, very fancy piece of engineering
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how about an off the wall suggestion ;)
these are currently in development and starting to interest me
http://guitarworks.thestrandbergs.com/
the current version needs an extra recess behind the floyd route... the next generation ones should be a drop in if they work out alright
Well found Wez, in fact I was going for a steinberger for my guitar, but I'm gonna order one of these next week. Only thing is, the trem's are $400, and the fixed bridge's are $50, so I'm going to get a fixed bridge.
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In the winter I'm constantly wearing a hoodie because the house is kept cold, so whenever I play my Ibanez guitars with original edge trems I always catch the sleeve and get those unintentional warbling flutters! :chain:
:lol:
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Titanium could be a good choice especially the alloys - titanium, tungston, uranium alloys are used in high velocity ballistic projectiles ( aka armour piercing shells ) I believe. Sounds ideal for a heavy metal guitar?
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I want a yellow cake uranium bridge on my Viper. Now.
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I want a yellow cake uranium bridge on my Viper. Now.
Yellow cake is about as hard as an actual cake. Your bridge would disintigrate when you tried to string it up. Its just an aggregated powder.
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I want a yellow cake uranium bridge on my Viper. Now.
Yellow cake is about as hard as an actual cake. Your bridge would disintigrate when you tried to string it up. Its just an aggregated powder.
What's your point?
I want a yellow cake uranium bridge.
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The point is it wont hold strings. Or shape for more than 10 seconds of resting your hand on it.
You basically want a sand bridge. Same sort of structural strength.
Now, an aggregated carbon nanorod bridge - thats another story.
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Titanium could be a good choice especially the alloys - titanium, tungston, uranium alloys are used in high velocity ballistic projectiles ( aka armour piercing shells ) I believe. Sounds ideal for a heavy metal guitar?
titanium is used mainly in armours, it's too light and elastic to work effectively in armour piercing projectiles, i think...
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I want a yellow cake uranium bridge on my Viper. Now.
Have you not heard? Cake is bad for you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwylBRucU7w)
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That programme was class!
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From my memory and it's a long time ago the titanium was used as a thin layer on the outer casing as it behaved better in the barrel.
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the way this thread evolved from floating bridges to terminal ballistics is quite fascinating... :)
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The point is it wont hold strings. Or shape for more than 10 seconds of resting your hand on it.
You basically want a sand bridge. Same sort of structural strength.
Now, an aggregated carbon nanorod bridge - thats another story.
I still want one!
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The point is it wont hold strings. Or shape for more than 10 seconds of resting your hand on it.
You basically want a sand bridge. Same sort of structural strength.
Now, an aggregated carbon nanorod bridge - thats another story.
I still want one!
Well you cant have one!
Even if you got the yellow cake your bridge would be as durable as a sandcastle.
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The point is it wont hold strings. Or shape for more than 10 seconds of resting your hand on it.
You basically want a sand bridge. Same sort of structural strength.
Now, an aggregated carbon nanorod bridge - thats another story.
I still want one!
Well you cant have one!
Even if you got the yellow cake your bridge would be as durable as a sandcastle.
Hell, the whole guitar could fall apart in my hands but I'd still be able to tell people I have a yellow cake uranium bridge on my guitar - And be the coolest guy on the planet.
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But you wouldnt have a yellowcake bridge, because it would turn to dust almost instantly. Thus no longer being a bridge, but rather a highly transportable alpha-source contaminant, that would likely get on your hands, all sorts of nearby surfaces, in your mouth, digestive system and blood stream and you'd be the coolest terminal cancer patient on the planet :P
Aggregated diamond nanorods > Yellowcake.
In fact aggregated diamond nanorods > every other substance ever. Your hair can fall out and the kemo make you sick as a dog while I have a bridge that takes a gigawatt laser to marr the surface.
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But you wouldnt have a yellowcake bridge, because it would turn to dust almost instantly. Thus no longer being a bridge, but rather a highly transportable alpha-source contaminant, that would likely get on your hands, all sorts of nearby surfaces, in your mouth, digestive system and blood stream and you'd be the coolest terminal cancer patient on the planet :P
Aggregated diamond nanorods > Yellowcake.
In fact aggregated diamond nanorods > every other substance ever. Your hair can fall out and the kemo make you sick as a dog while I have a bridge that takes a gigawatt laser to marr the surface.
Is it technically correct to call them 'diamond' nanorods? Are you talking about Buckminster-fullerene type carbon nano-tubes? If so, they definitely don't share the same structure as diamond!
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They dont, and they are buckyrods, but they're called diamond rods.
Dont know why (I agree with you, but thats what they're called)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggregated_diamond_nanorods
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I'll have one of those aswell then MDV.
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Probably because 'pencil nanorods' sounds a bit cr@p!
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Hi! Through the wonders of technology, I noticed a flood of referrals to my web-site from this forum so I thought I would introduce myself.
I think this thread already captures most of what I am aiming for in my design, namely:
- reduced weight (material choice, removal of regular tuners, weight of the head)
- better distribution of weight (move weight closer to the body's centre of gravity by removing weight off head)
I then chose to make it fit a Floyd-Rose cavity to reach beyond the luthier market, i.e. to folks who are handy and want to experiment but that don't necessarily have the skills to design a guitar around the hardware.
I am currently selling my prototype stock of trems to fund future development and have production fixed bridges for sale.
I also invite collaboration and ideas, so feel free to check in!
Cheers,
Ola
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.strandbergGuitarworks* - Innovation & Collaboration
http://guitarworks.thestrandbergs.com/
http://elutherie.org/
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i still want one ola!!!
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i still want one ola!!!
I look forward to working with you :D I like your designs a lot.
Cheers,
Ola
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Welcome to the boards ola