Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Gizmo on April 11, 2009, 03:33:06 PM
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:D Today is a good day. I went home to see my parents for easter and thought id pop into Peachideas guitar shop to look at their PRS as they always seam to have great pictures on their site.
I saw what i was after a mccarty tobacco burst custom 24 but it didnt have a rosewood neck which is my ideal spec. However, right next to it was a mccarty 22 with a mccarty burst top and rosewood neck.
instantly holding the rosewood neck i knew i had to have one so the guy checked with the PRS stock importer and they didnt have any with my combination and it would take 9 months to get one + they would be a the new prices and not as cheap, as shops buy in higher volume and negotiate the price down but a one off order would be expensive @ £2800 for everything i wanted.
The mccarty is a real gem. it is perfect. even the colour which wasnt my 1st choice was amazing and so old school LP style. Putting the two guitars together i even prefered it. It has a nice top without patches and missing patterns yet its not a full on over the top PRS top which i dont like. Very tactful.
The guitar had been setup by Martin Booth who makes boutique guitars in the UK. You might have seen his guitars in Gutarist Magazine which have won awards. The guitar played beautifully. The neck is a dream. Ive never played anything that good before. The humbucker tones were LP like and the tapped sound was Fender esque. Not as convincing as the Custom 24 but this guitar was special. It had a quality and a feel to it.
It was 2nd hand but it didnt even have a single scratch or blemish. This meant that it was a bargain. £1699 in a shop set up perfectly by a pro and in mint condition and played great. I think thats a good deal. Looking forward to getting home so I can plug it in and then i will upload pictures to show you guys. best guitar i own without a doubt. I can see why some people may own multiple McCarty's Twinfan!!
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Dude, you know the deal: Pics or it didn't happen 8)
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Blimey, it's a McCarty Rosewood epidemic on this forum! :lol:
Congrats! :D
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Blimey, it's a McCarty Rosewood epidemic on this forum! :lol:
Congrats! :D
It looks that way. Actually there have been a lot of NGD threads on here recently. I can't ever remember it being so busy in such a short space of time. Credit crunch? Pah!
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Rosewood necks are great. Ive wanted one a long time. I just wasnt expecting to get a mccarthy. Actually saw Hunters one on ebay and nearly bid. I'll put pics up on monday night when i get access to a camera. I know the score but i had to post before i could prove it!!
I would like to weigh it as well as it was lighter then the cu24 and cu22 i played which is suprising as i thought the mccarty was thicker and the rosewood neck is heavier? I just think its a killer guitar!! :D
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nice one :D
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Rosewood necks are great. Ive wanted one a long time. I just wasnt expecting to get a mccarthy. Actually saw Hunters one on ebay and nearly bid. I'll put pics up on monday night when i get access to a camera. I know the score but i had to post before i could prove it!!
I would like to weigh it as well as it was lighter then the cu24 and cu22 i played which is suprising as i thought the mccarty was thicker and the rosewood neck is heavier? I just think its a killer guitar!! :D
Well, congrats anyways, pics or not. You're at your parent's so you are forgiven, exceptionally :O)
They are great guitars. I'm still not sure what I'll do pickup wise. I like the sound of the originals, they have a special upper mids thing which cuts through very nice, but they squeal like crazy, and I hate that.
You plan to change pickups in any way?
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Many congratulations.
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Blimey, it's a McCarty Rosewood epidemic on this forum! :lol:
Congrats! :D
+1!
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So how many of these do we now have around here?
Hunter: 1
Gizmo: 1
Twinfan: 2 (or 3 if you cound the blue washed Dragon which is also a McCarty type with RW)
Total of 5 then or did I miss any?
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Yeah, 5 if you include the Modern Eagle. I think Hairy Chris has/had a rosewood neck PRS, but not a McCarty.
And there are also a few regular McCartys and McCarty Korinas.
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sweet :)
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Congrats.
I was thinking my next purchase would be a Gibson LP Custom Shop, but I'm hearing so many good things about PRS's at the moment, I might change my mind (plenty of time, I have extactly £0 saved up for it :) )
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Congrats.
I was thinking my next purchase would be a Gibson LP Custom Shop, but I'm hearing so many good things about PRS's at the moment, I might change my mind (plenty of time, I have extactly £0 saved up for it :) )
Hmmm, methinks a 245 in smokeburst, that would be SWEET!
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Congrats.
I was thinking my next purchase would be a Gibson LP Custom Shop, but I'm hearing so many good things about PRS's at the moment, I might change my mind (plenty of time, I have extactly £0 saved up for it :) )
Hmmm, methinks a 245 in smokeburst, that would be SWEET!
245s are very nice indeed. I owned one for about a month - I was surprised that it had a very different feel to a LP.
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I wan't sure what a McCarty was (=n00b) so I did a google and low I came up with a site that told me where they came from and that .......seems like the Ed Roman has a bee in his bonnet!
Also looked at this which is people who actually own the PRS RW and is a much better link for you NGD amazing axe by the looks of these reviews as well as all the peeps here who own one
http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/product/Paul+Reed+Smith/McCarty+Rosewood/10/1
Anyway grats on the new guitar.
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Ed Roman is considered by many to be a total p*ick. I don't think any musical instrument manufacturer has not had a 'rant' aimed at them. He also has a reputation for very bad customer service. I'm sure there are good stories out there about him but there are too many horror stories for my liking.
Personally I would completely ignore whatever he says about anything and prolly woudn't post a link to this 'rant' on to a thread about a new guitar.
Well done Gizmo - looking forward to seeing those pics!
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good work, those rosewood necks are sweet :)
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Ed Roman is the biggest jerk in the whole music industry.
His custom shop runs on nothing more than ripping off designs, he's absolute scum, and his arguments are always full of venom and bile, and more often than not lack any logic or substance whatsoever.
I love his argument about neck pickup positioning, and the so called sweet spot. He entirely misses the point that when you fret a note, the position of the nodes and anodes in the waveform move...
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I don't think there is a single item you can buy that someone somewhere doesn't think is rubbish. At the end of the day everyone needs to make their own opinion if you like it no one else matters - unless you perform and the audience think its cr@p !!! :D
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I e-mailed him once and asked if he would still do an olp axis and relabel it as an ebmm for me, he replied... :lol:
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Come on Lew - you can't not tell us what his response was!
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He said no :P
See it was more fun when I didn't give his reply and left it to your imagination :lol:
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You could have made something up! He has a bad enough reputation for us to believe anything you said.
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Modified my early reply it was st00pid to have that link - I apologise
New link is stonking not that many get a 9.9 average for sound.
Grats again
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New link is stonking not that many get a 9.9 average for sound.
That's more like it!
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I don't think there is a single item you can buy that someone somewhere doesn't think is rubbish. At the end of the day everyone needs to make their own opinion if you like it no one else matters - unless you perform and the audience think its cr@p !!! :D
I guess that's the same with music as well as the instruments to make it.
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Congrats.
I was thinking my next purchase would be a Gibson LP Custom Shop, but I'm hearing so many good things about PRS's at the moment, I might change my mind (plenty of time, I have extactly £0 saved up for it :) )
Hmmm, methinks a 245 in smokeburst, that would be SWEET!
Tempting... although I prefer the Black Sunburst I think. And I guess if I went PRS it would be a Modern Eagle or McCarty rather than a LP copy.
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Tempting... although I prefer the Black Sunburst I think. And I guess if I went PRS it would be a Modern Eagle or McCarty rather than a LP copy.
:D Surely you can't say 'LP copy'!!!! Didn't PRS win their case against Gibson!!!!!
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Gizmo,
You sure you bought a McCarty model? Or a McCarty Burst Custom 22?
Nice choice either way :)
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Gizmo,
You sure you bought a McCarty model? Or a McCarty Burst Custom 22?
Lord of the Realm of PRS has arrived!
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:lol:
Edit: Sorry - just realised I sound like a right patronising prat :roll: You've got a McCarty, great choice :D The best model PRS make in my opinion!
Did you get bird inlays, or moons????
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Tempting... although I prefer the Black Sunburst I think. And I guess if I went PRS it would be a Modern Eagle or McCarty rather than a LP copy.
:D Surely you can't say 'LP copy'!!!! Didn't PRS win their case against Gibson!!!!!
Win or no win, it's stil not original :) (Twinfan, please don't hit me)
Gizmo,
You sure you bought a McCarty model? Or a McCarty Burst Custom 22?
Nice choice either way :)
What's the difference? For that matter whats the difference between a McCarty and a Modern Eagle?
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Yes Twinfan it is def a Mccarty. Its has birds and its a wide fat neck. I have large hands so it feels very comfortable. I think one of the reviews in the harmony central link in a previous post said the neck was thin...well mine certainly isnt!!
It was born in 2005 and has the 20th Anniv logo on the plastic bit above the nut. The birds are not the 20th aniv birds though.
Hunter. Im not sure about changing the pups yet. I havent even played it on my amp, only a practice amp that I leave at my parents for when I go home. I have a LP with a Mule and Blackdog in which covers the old school sounds but I dont play it much. I bought the PRS as I love my strat and the way it plays but wanted a more LP sound. This guitar is it. I am not sure if im going to sell the LP yet. This will effect my choice of pups ie keep it old school PAF style and have a really refined LP sound or go a bit more modern.
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Gizmo,
You sure you bought a McCarty model? Or a McCarty Burst Custom 22?
Nice choice either way :)
What's the difference? For that matter whats the difference between a McCarty and a Modern Eagle?
The main difference is that the McCarty has a thicker body than the Cu22. It also has vintage style tuners, a thinner headstock (I think) and McCarty pickups, and there are probably also some arcane differences in the timbers.
The Modern Eagle has the rosewood neck, different pickups and hardware again... I'm not sure about the body thickness.
Dave will correct me on the details! :lol:
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Nice score Gizmo :) Yours is the same as one of mine then. The first one I got is an '05 with the Anniversary TRC. Peach can't have had yours in stock long as it wasn't on their website I don't think? If it had been, I'd have been tempted to snap it up myself. If you ever want/need to sell it give me a shout ;)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/junkacct/shmccartyrw.jpg)
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The main difference is that the McCarty has a thicker body. It also has vintage style tuners, a thinner headstock (I think) and McCarty pickups, and there are probably also some arcane differences in the timbers.
The Modern Eagle has the rosewood neck, different pickups and hardware again... I'm not sure about the body thickness.
Dave will correct me on the details! :lol:
You're pretty much there, Phil ;)
Custom 22 - thinner mahogany back, thicker headstock, locking tuners, 5-way switch, Dragon II pickups, wide fat or wide then neck options, 3-way switch option (plus the usual PRS 10 top, gold hardware and birds options)
McCarty - thicker mahogany back, wide fat neck only, thinner headstock and non-locking tuners, McCarty pickups, Eastern Maple top (as used on old LPs), plus the usual PRS 10 top, gold hardware and birds options. This model is now discontinued, except for the McCarty Korina and the McCarty Smokeburst and the odd special run.
Original Modern Eagle - based on the McCarty but withthe thicker headstock andlocking tuners of the Custom 22, built by the Private Stock team with some work done on the regular production line, top grade woods chosen, mixed hardware, RP pickups, solid Brazilian Rosewood neck, abalone birds, thin matt nitroceullose finish, trem option. Discontinued due to issues with the paperwork required to use/import/export Brazilian Rosewood.
New Modern Eagle II - as the old one, but no Brazilian Rosewood and 57/08 pickups in place of the RPs.
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If you ever want/need to sell it give me a shout ;)
One day, someones going to open a PRS rehab for you...
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There are guys WAY worse than me on the Birds and Moons forum!
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There are guys WAY worse than me on the Birds and Moons forum!
That sounds like some kind of posh mental asylum! :wink:
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There are guys WAY worse than me on the Birds and Moons forum!
That sounds like some kind of posh mental asylum! :wink:
:D :lol: :D
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The main difference is that the McCarty has a thicker body. It also has vintage style tuners, a thinner headstock (I think) and McCarty pickups, and there are probably also some arcane differences in the timbers.
The Modern Eagle has the rosewood neck, different pickups and hardware again... I'm not sure about the body thickness.
Dave will correct me on the details! :lol:
You're pretty much there, Phil ;)
Custom 22 - thinner mahogany back, thicker headstock, locking tuners, 5-way switch, Dragon II pickups, wide fat or wide then neck options, 3-way switch option (plus the usual PRS 10 top, gold hardware and birds options)
McCarty - thicker mahogany back, wide fat neck only, thinner headstock and non-locking tuners, McCarty pickups, Eastern Maple top (as used on old LPs), plus the usual PRS 10 top, gold hardware and birds options. This model is now discontinued, except for the McCarty Korina and the McCarty Smokeburst and the odd special run.
Original Modern Eagle - based on the McCarty but withthe thicker headstock andlocking tuners of the Custom 22, built by the Private Stock team with some work done on the regular production line, top grade woods chosen, mixed hardware, RP pickups, solid Brazilian Rosewood neck, abalone birds, thin matt nitroceullose finish, trem option. Discontinued due to issues with the paperwork required to use/import/export Brazilian Rosewood.
New Modern Eagle II - as the old one, but no Brazilian Rosewood and 57/08 pickups in place of the RPs.
Cheers TF! Saves me a shite load of research :)
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Peach can't have had yours in stock long as it wasn't on their website I don't think? If it had been, I'd have been tempted to snap it up myself. If you ever want/need to sell it give me a shout ;)
Dave, you gotta leave some PRSs for some others, too. Everyone likes to play!
;-)
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^ :lol:
I'll try, I really will :lol:
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There are guys WAY worse than me on the Birds and Moons forum!
That sounds like some kind of posh mental asylum! :wink:
Um.... it kind of is.....!
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Peach can't have had yours in stock long as it wasn't on their website I don't think? If it had been, I'd have been tempted to snap it up myself. If you ever want/need to sell it give me a shout ;)
Dave, you gotta leave some PRSs for some others, too. Everyone likes to play!
;-)
Too true! I want another, badly, but buying new atm isn't an option - don't hoover up all the 2nd hand ones Dave! Pleeeeeeaasse! :wink:
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It's only McRosewoods or cheap Modern Eagles I'll be after, so as long as you're after something else you'll be fine ;)
:lol:
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It's only McRosewoods or cheap Modern Eagles I'll be after, so as long as you're after something else you'll be fine ;)
:lol:
"cheap Modern Eagles" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Somebody call a doctor!
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:lol:
If I ever see a 'player' condition one for sale I'll snap it up. Chances of that happening? Virtually nil!!!!
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yours is probably the only one that actually gets played!!
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Why would a guitar that's supposed to be so great not get played?
I don't understand I mean people play instruments worth millions because they are the best there is, it doesn't seem there is a point to an instrument that isn't played?
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Guitars aren't just instruments though, they are (or can be) works of art, even when they are mass produced a really nice guitar is a stunning object. Guitars by the nature of them are prone to dings and general wear and tear, so I can understand a reluctance to potentially damage a great looking guitar. Although I also think if you don't play it then it goes unfulfilled, which is also a shame.
Personally I'd play it, but part of me would want to put it in a case on the wall.
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No matter how much you mothball stuff unless you have a huge amount of money for atmospheric controlled storage (temp, humidity and sterile atmosphere) they will deteriorate so it may look nice for longer but it wont last forever so it may as well be played for as long as it can!
Just my opinion and I do also understand the mentality of the collector but someone once defined art as " that which has no function other than being" not word for word but you get the gist.
I sorta think it's a bit like the auntie who keeps the sofa under its plastic cover to keep it "nice" but know one ever sits on the "nice" sofa. Although her nephew may make a fortune on it if it becomes retro chic and is in perfect condition :D
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I guess another reason might be investment. How much would a mint 'kept in the case' 1950's LP go for now? Or a Brazillian Rosewood Modern Eagle in 50 years time?
Guitars are quite possibly a better investment than the stock exchange :)
But like I said, I'd still play it. If I was going to invest I'd buy 2 :D
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I guess another reason might be investment. How much would a mint 'kept in the case' 1950's LP go for now? Or a Brazillian Rosewood Modern Eagle in 50 years time?
Guitars are quite possibly a better investment than the stock exchange :)
Yeah, but only if you buy the "right" ones and hold on to them long enough.
(That's ignoring the current state of the economy - right now almost anything is probably a better/safer investment than the Stock Exchange - unless you have money to burn and aren't averse to taking risks).
If you really wanted to go the investor-collector route, you'd either need loads of money now, to buy valuable pieces and hope they get even more valuable, or you'd have to put in some pretty hard work scouring the planet for those urban-legend guitars that have been kept in lofts by old ladies since their husbands died 40 or 50 years ago.
Guitars in general are a rubbish investment. In the last 25 years I've sold 45 guitars and lost about 10 grand on them. Better to buy 'em because you like 'em, and if one or two appreciate in value it's an added bonus. :)
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In the last 25 years I've sold 45 guitars and lost about 10 grand on them.
That's not too bad Philly - only £400 a year. See it as rental cost!
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In the last 25 years I've sold 45 guitars and lost about 10 grand on them.
That's not too bad Philly - only £400 a year. See it as rental cost!
Actually that doesn't seem too bad as an average annual loss - not much more than a single month's mortgage payment. Thanks Ian, you've cheered me up! :D
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In the last 25 years I've sold 45 guitars and lost about 10 grand on them.
That's not too bad Philly - only £400 a year. See it as rental cost!
Actually that doesn't seem too bad as an average annual loss - not much more than a single month's mortgage payment. Thanks Ian, you've cheered me up! :D
If you compare the hours of entertainment compared to say, a night at the pub or cimema, it's bloody cheap!
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Why would a guitar that's supposed to be so great not get played?
I don't understand I mean people play instruments worth millions because they are the best there is, it doesn't seem there is a point to an instrument that isn't played?
You have some people who buy them as an investment, lock them away and never play them. you also get the people that have enough disposable income to have a PRS just because they want one and they want the best. Maybe play it at home a few times and generally look after it very carefully. Good for them, if i had the money i would do it too!!
the modern eagles cost over £4K on average - you dont see them being played out often!!!
so maybe i should have said that Daves was the only one being played live, which is still an exageration but i bet less than 10% of modern eagles out there are used for gigging.
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Mine's not been played live.
Yet........
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i know you wont be able to resist taking it out one day!
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Yep, it'll go out at some point for sure!
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i know you wont be able to resist taking it out one day!
That sounds uncomfortably like a Koch joke...
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On the played vs not played I suspect a slightly battered Les Paul Played by Hendrix or Jimmy page would be worth more than the minter kept in a box ? So there is a moral get it out of the box and become famous and you will make more money - no wait if your famous the money you make on your guitar wont clean the windows for a year on your 5 mansions - there is just no way to win.
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On the played vs not played I suspect a slightly battered Les Paul Played by Hendrix or Jimmy page would be worth more than the minter kept in a box ? So there is a moral get it out of the box and become famous and you will make more money - no wait if your famous the money you make on your guitar wont clean the windows for a year on your 5 mansions - there is just no way to win.
:) About right.
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I saw what i was after a mccarty tobacco burst custom 24 but it didnt have a rosewood neck which is my ideal spec......instantly holding the rosewood neck i knew i had to have one so the guy checked with the PRS stock importer and they didnt have any with my combination and it would take 9 months to get one + they would be a the new prices and not as cheap, as shops buy in higher volume and negotiate the price down but a one off order would be expensive @ £2800 for everything i wanted.
Just found this - don't know if you're interested????????
Custom 24, McCarty Burst, Birds, Rosewood neck, £2500:
http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/electric_guitars_detail.asp?stock=08060416051529
(http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/large/99/08060416051529f.jpg)
(http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/large/99/08060416051529b.jpg)
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Also,
Blackburst one here: http://machinehead.co.uk/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/40/products_id/2223
And a Dark Cherry Sunburst: http://www.guitars4you.co.uk/guitars/2328.htm
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Dave, you PRS pimp! :P
Poor guy's just spent £1700 and you're touting Custom 24s! :lol:
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:D
I had seen that one but tbh i really like this guitar. It just feels right. + its quite a bit cheaper. I went there looking for some idea and prefered this. This was a big investment for me ( i got a bonus for finally qualifying as an accountant after 3 years of exams, no sarcastics comments please about accountants :lol:) and i'm not planning on spending anything like that again for sometime. Thanks for looking though.
Had a chance to play it on my amp last night and its really good. The whole body just resonates. When you hit a chord whilst sitting down you actually feel a tingle on your leg as the whole body resonates.
If I ever decide to change i'll let you know but i dont see that happening for a while.
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No probs mate - just wanted to let you know your original spec was out there :)
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The one at Machinehead looks HAWT :harp:
Someone buy my gear so I can buy it!
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That blackburst is gorgeous. want WANT WANT!