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Title: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 18, 2009, 08:53:45 AM
So basically i want the attack, tightness and low mids of a ceramic in a alinco package i have clod sweats and i love them but want something similar but with the alinco warmess, Same clarity and attack (Maybe a little darker)
Thinking a nailbomb would do the job what do you guys think?
I know i could just get a ceramic pickup but i want different types of p-up's for different guitars.

Guitar will be a custom shop warmoth super-strat.
Body : Mahogany, redwood top
Neck: Rosewood, ebony fret board
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: il˙ti on April 18, 2009, 12:56:00 PM
Have you considered going down in output? The VHII, Mule, Riff Raff pickups are generally considered to be clearer sounding than the high output alnico models because they retain more treble, but without the compression of a ceramic pickup. If low output is not your thing, Nailbomb should do you good.
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: Twinfan on April 18, 2009, 02:17:08 PM
Black Dogs maybe?
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: hunter on April 18, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
I would say Rebel Yell bridge.

I don't find BDs very tight, at least in my Epi they're more "warm" than tight.
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 18, 2009, 04:36:55 PM
Hmm rebel yell's could work to
Intreasting the lower output pickups i have played had been muddy
VHII'S would work but to me they sounded a little to bright that could also be because ive mostly heard them in maple neck strats.
I like compression but i dont need it to feel like a C-PIG for example even the CS is pushing it for me but i love it!
So if that helps compression a little less than the cs



Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: MDV on April 18, 2009, 04:39:28 PM
Well, the tightest of the 3 high output bks is the warpig.

Dunno if thats overkill for you, but its tight.

I dont really know the lower powered ones well (most of them at all), so shant comment. (save to say that a crawlers pretty tight as well! Tighter than a nailbomb at any rate)
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 18, 2009, 04:42:17 PM
Hmm now i guess to add which would be clearer of the two? Crawler nailbomb rebel yell?
On jazz chords with a decent amount of gain.
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: MDV on April 18, 2009, 04:44:06 PM
Out of the crawler and NB (havent played the rebel yell) - the crawler.
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 18, 2009, 04:48:48 PM
Intreasting! Didnt even think about the crawler well i Emailed Tim the same Post so ill see what he says and report back for futher discussion thanks guys!
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: Copperhead on April 18, 2009, 05:09:57 PM
That's going to be a dark sounding guitar. Maybe Cold Sweat indeed would be the best? I found the CS to be very bright in swamp ash/maple neck. Rosewood/mahogany.... the redwood top will not effect much, but the ebony board should give you a little on the bright side to balance the package. I still think it will need a bright pickup though.
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 18, 2009, 07:37:28 PM
Hmm true so maybe VHII's would be a good choice?
I love ceramics but i think that guitar would be a good choice for an alinco
Cold sweats are very bright indeed but they have amazing clarity!
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: Copperhead on April 18, 2009, 07:42:33 PM
Well....I am going to try a VHII in the neck of a Wolfgang, really.
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 18, 2009, 07:47:34 PM
Nice well to those of you have listen to dhiem's comparison videos i love the sound of nailbombs for lead but for rythm i really like the painkiller...

EDIT: I just listened to the lead one and liked the PK lead to not as much as the NB but definately something i like, I think the PK would be a good choice for a super strat with those woods MDV has won once again...
I guess im biting the bullet and getting another ceramic.
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: MDV on April 18, 2009, 08:27:31 PM
I win things?

First I've heard

No one tells me nuthin!
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 18, 2009, 08:33:32 PM
Ha! You reccomended one in another thread of mine, and so therefore you have one this one.
Congrats ha  :D
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: gwEm on April 18, 2009, 08:57:13 PM
haven't tried all, but agree rebel yell out of the ones i have
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: hunter on April 18, 2009, 09:45:30 PM
Well....I am going to try a VHII in the neck of a Wolfgang, really.

I asked Tim for the Axis and he deemed it was too bright for VHIIs.

He recommended RebelYells, but I went back to stock for it.

I think HDs would be great in an Wolfgang/Axis type guitar.
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 18, 2009, 10:35:14 PM
I guess the better question would be...what is the warmest ceramic magnet P-up that BKP offers?
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: HTH AMPS on April 18, 2009, 10:54:43 PM
I guess the better question would be...what is the warmest ceramic magnet P-up that BKP offers?

Cold Sweat imo
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 18, 2009, 10:58:59 PM
Already have a pair but a great suggestion nontheless! Hmm maybe a C-bomb or painkiller
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: Dr. Vic on April 22, 2009, 03:54:12 PM
So basically i want the attack, tightness and low mids of a ceramic in a alinco package i have clod sweats and i love them but want something similar but with the alinco warmess, Same clarity and attack (Maybe a little darker)
Thinking a nailbomb would do the job what do you guys think?


I also think the RY would be a good answer if you go for Alnico (even if I agree with il˙ti about the low output models). I haven't tried the NB yet, but from the clips I've heard it seems to me that the RY has more growl, bite, tightness, and in your faceness than the regular NB. (I love the RY  :) )

Then if you go for a ceramic you'll see in that topic that the C-NB is described like a darker CS, which might be what you're after.......

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16628.0

 PDT_003
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: MVM on April 22, 2009, 05:35:14 PM
alnico 8 nailbomb?
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 22, 2009, 07:43:35 PM
Yea ive allways loved the sound of a cbomb my favorite BKP coming from just clips,
How does a Alinco 8 NB differ to the standard version?
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: Dr. Vic on April 22, 2009, 08:43:07 PM
When I asked Tim for a A8 NB he said he was not a fan of Alnico 8 at all because it sounded very rounded in the bottom end.

But MVM speaks the truth, as I remember Tim also considering the A8 almost like a cross between Alnico and ceramic in tone, adding that "the A8 could be overbright, almost like a ceramic in some contexts due to it's low remanence".

But he also said somewhere on this board : "Just an update on Alnico 8-I've had a considerable play with it in various types of BKPs and haven't found any real advantages over the AII, III, IV an d Vs we already use.This doesn't mean I wouldn't rule it out from use in the future.I've also be playing with AVI too although it's very much like a darker IV in the the way it powers the coils. "  8) 8)

If you ask him maybe he will do a A8 NB but...dunno why....he might suggest you something else...

 PDT_008
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 22, 2009, 09:09:15 PM
Sounds intreasting! a cross of a ceramic and alinco is exactly what im looking for
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: Dr. Vic on April 22, 2009, 10:07:07 PM
With the obsession of finding the best compromise between Alnico and Ceramic with all the advantages of each and no drawbacks......he is now looking to find somewhere,.............like many of us,..........the Holy-Mirabomb-Pigkiller(*)  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


(*) copyright Darth Hellstyle !
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 23, 2009, 08:47:33 AM
Id buy that in a heart beat!
Any suggestions for something on the product that is clost to the dream pickup ha
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: ericsabbath on April 24, 2009, 05:31:20 AM
With the obsession of finding the best compromise between Alnico and Ceramic with all the advantages of each and no drawbacks......he is now looking to find somewhere,.............like many of us,..........the Holy-Mirabomb-Pigkiller(*)  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


(*) copyright Darth Hellstyle !

it was the HOLY MIRACULOUS PIGKILLER  :lol:
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: ericsabbath on April 24, 2009, 05:33:18 AM
Yea ive allways loved the sound of a cbomb my favorite BKP coming from just clips,
How does a Alinco 8 NB differ to the standard version?

there's some croatian guy with a 7-string alnico 8 nailbomb on the forum (I forgot his nickname)
my Holy Diver as an alnico 8 magnet at the moment
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: ericsabbath on April 24, 2009, 05:48:47 AM
When I asked Tim for a A8 NB he said he was not a fan of Alnico 8 at all because it sounded very rounded in the bottom end.

But MVM speaks the truth, as I remember Tim also considering the A8 almost like a cross between Alnico and ceramic in tone, adding that "the A8 could be overbright, almost like a ceramic in some contexts due to it's low remanence".

But he also said somewhere on this board : "Just an update on Alnico 8-I've had a considerable play with it in various types of BKPs and haven't found any real advantages over the AII, III, IV an d Vs we already use.This doesn't mean I wouldn't rule it out from use in the future.I've also be playing with AVI too although it's very much like a darker IV in the the way it powers the coils. "  8) 8)

If you ask him maybe he will do a A8 NB but...dunno why....he might suggest you something else...

 PDT_008

yeah, it's definitely brighter than A5
I loved it in a Duncan Custom
I installed it in my Holy Diver cause it sounded too weak, dark and loose in my SG
the A8 magnet has a way stronger field and pickup got noticeable louder, tighter and brighter
it was a good thing for that guitar, but the pickup doesn't sound as fluid and deep as the stock A5 anymore
still sounds good and maybe could sound better in another guitar, though
I was afraid that it got ultra middy or something (like the Duncan Custom with the A8), but it only changed the edges response
it was like swapping a smooth and fluid celestion greenback for an ultra-loud hard sounding celestion vintage 30
so it's more a matter of taste
the Duncan Custom was definitely better with A8 than with A5 or ceramic
Jim Wagner WCR uses that magnet a lot too in the regular models
the old Ibanez Super 70 humbuckers on 70's ibanez were A8 equiped too (the only famous tone I can think of is Van Halen on 'Ain't Talk About Love' and 'You really Got Me')
it ain't no alien experiment or something :lol:
I hope someday Tim launches a new A8 model with a special winding matching the magnet
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: sebby123 on April 24, 2009, 07:02:59 AM
Nice! well i have some spec changes to the custom build so.... more research and will post a NGD and pickup day soon
Title: Re: Tighest closest BKP alinco pup to a ceramic BKP
Post by: Dr. Vic on April 24, 2009, 01:15:52 PM
With the obsession of finding the best compromise between Alnico and Ceramic with all the advantages of each and no drawbacks......he is now looking to find somewhere,.............like many of us,..........the Holy-Mirabomb-Pigkiller(*)  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


(*) copyright Darth Hellstyle !

it was the HOLY MIRACULOUS PIGKILLER  :lol:


Then the HOLY MIRABOMB PIGKILLER IS MINE........FOREVER !!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: