Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: MDV on April 23, 2009, 07:13:29 PM
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I'm going to give it a refret to practice refretting
Then maybe another
and another
But, what else should I do to this guitar?
Its basically worthless. I paid 30 quid for it and have no intention of keeping it. Its practice and modding fun. I'll give it to a school....if it survives :twisted:
All suggestions welcome.
Break the headstock off to see if I can get it back on
Route for 3rd pickup/trem/whatever
What?
My teching skills peak at doing a (pretty bloody good even if I do say so myself) fret dress. What else should I learn?
And, yes, I am willing to inflict damage to it to fix said damage, but please keep your suggestions realistic! (I'm not going to set it on fire, throw it off the roof, drive a car into it or anything else like that!)
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Make sure you remember to video and youtube any impressive damage you inflict on the poor guitar.
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I dont have a video camera :(
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Do all of these to it... :lol:
Route for trem
Put in a middle pup
Re-radius the fretboard
Re-fret
Put in a new nut
Think of more ways to butcher a les paul
Oh what a horrible guitar that will be :P
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Do all of these to it... :lol:
Route for trem
Put in a middle pup
Re-radius the fretboard
Re-fret
Put in a new nut
Think of more ways to butcher a les paul
Oh what a horrible guitar that will be :P
New nut I can already do.
The others though - thats a good list! It'll be a tasteless abomination, but if even only modestly successfull it'll be played by teenagers, so who cares?
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Change the fretboard and put a new truss rod (a double one?)
change the neck for a 59' spec
convert it to wraparound and p90 pickups (will need refinish)
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Change fretboard and neck?
Thats pretty hardcore, and I believe too far beyond my skill.
Thanks for the suggestions though!
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LED fret markers!
LED scatch plate
cold cathodes behind the pups for a eeiry glow from inside the cavities
routing for a battery or 5?
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scallops?
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scallops?
Good call!!
Its got cheap fake abalone blocks though - will that not $%&# it up?
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Practice inlays
Add a Trem
Try an earvana nut
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install a smoke machine
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Its got cheap fake abalone blocks though - will that not $%&# it up?
whats your point? ;)
there is no way to know how thick they are untill you start - a bit of filler is wonderfull stuff :P
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Its got cheap fake abalone blocks though - will that not $%&# it up?
whats your point? ;)
there is no way to know how thick they are untill you start - a bit of filler is wonderfull stuff :P
:lol:
Well I was hoping to make a competent job of whatever I do, not Devries it. But, yes, there shall be scalloping.
Thats the 2nd thing. After (the first) refret.
Others that I'm liking - 3rd pickup and trem routes.
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Install pube hairs instead of strings then use a banana as a slide. I has to go stupid as what you do already is something I've never tried. Perhaps it is time to learn.
In case one is struggling
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Install rails either side of the neck for a custom sliding capo (JKing)
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Has it got a bound fingerboard? If it has then try renewing the binding when you re-fret it.
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Has it got a bound fingerboard? If it has then try renewing the binding when you re-fret it.
It does, and I will!
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Well I was hoping to make a competent job of whatever I do, not Devries it. But, yes, there shall be scalloping.
indeed, its one of those things that can be advised on better once you have started.
i will say this - dont scallop too far. its really easy to do but also really easy to over do. so go slow and do less than you think to start with
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Do a monster custom job on it. Burn it. Burn the fecker then stand on it with big f off site boots to leave an imprint on it. Stick a plastic dog turd on the headstock and voila!
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gold leaf finish. or copper or silver. but try it
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So,
I'm going to do
None of what Johnny said :lol:
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refret
Do another refret (because thats really the main thing for me, I want to be able to do them and do them well) and do the binding again while they're off.
Scallop it (which will be nice to the bind I'm sure, but who gives a shitee?)
then, as the outsiders, route for a 3rd pickup
Then if that goes well do the ostensibly more complex routing for a trem.
Sounds like fun :)
I need a router though - I was looking at this, but it doesnt seem to have good visibility to where youre routing http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00074ELX6/ref=s9_sims_gw_s2_p60_aw_t1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0Z9M164W4ZM74GRTD8KJ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467198433&pf_rd_i=468294
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You can't route for a third cavity and put a trem in can you?
I thought the bridge had to be a bit closer (in other words, no third pickup would exist)?
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The best routers are made by trend they do a very small one a mid size and a full 2kw
You want a T4EK or T5EB
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You can't route for a third cavity and put a trem in can you?
I thought the bridge had to be a bit closer (in other words, no third pickup would exist)?
You mean move the bridge pickup upwards to get the trem in? Perhaps. I havent measured it up, but you may be right.
Which would make the 3rd pickup a single coil (and double my fun in moving a routing!)
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The best routers are made by trend they do a very small one a mid size and a full 2kw
You want a T4EK or T5EB
I'll have a look at them, ta
Do I hear a second for the Trend routers?
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You can't route for a third cavity and put a trem in can you?
I thought the bridge had to be a bit closer (in other words, no third pickup would exist)?
You mean move the bridge pickup upwards to get the trem in? Perhaps. I havent measured it up, but you may be right.
Which would make the 3rd pickup a single coil (and double my fun in moving a routing!)
Yes.
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You can't route for a third cavity and put a trem in can you?
I thought the bridge had to be a bit closer (in other words, no third pickup would exist)?
You mean move the bridge pickup upwards to get the trem in? Perhaps. I havent measured it up, but you may be right.
Which would make the 3rd pickup a single coil (and double my fun in moving a routing!)
Yes.
Well, that'll be an interesting bridge to cross, should I encounter it. No pun intended, for a change!
And I will be putting a trem in, provided the LFR I have spare has string spacing that will fit it. So if move the bridge pickup is what I have to do, thats what I'll do.
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I thought the bridge had to be a bit closer (in other words, no third pickup would exist)?
that has to do with scale length and bridge choice... rather than number of pickups. although 3 pickups on an LP is tight. but if it fits between the current two pickups its fine. if the bridge studs end up close too the bridge pickup cavity then you need to worry - but thats what rulers are for
one thing. refretting a guitar is all well and good. but re fretting a refretted guitar is something else. the slots do wear out so there are more issues to think of with a re-refret than there are a refret.
also, bobs suggestion of redoing the binding is good - because refrets with binding are the hardest type and you probably dont want to do that just yet. well actually gibson refrets where you have to keep the binding nubs are the hardest type. so yeah, if you redo the binding your options are more and cost is less (allowing for the extra cost of tools involved for doing a gibson style refret)
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Turn it into a tele just to annoy Roo
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The best routers are made by trend they do a very small one a mid size and a full 2kw
You want a T4EK or T5EB
I'll have a look at them, ta
Do I hear a second for the Trend routers?
There's a lot of better stuff about IMHO. If you want to spend loads of money on a router that's fair enough but if you want something in the DIY bracket for price but in the "Light Trade" bracket for performance you might want to have a look at Bosch. Speaking as one who has knackered many a router that is :D
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The best routers are made by trend they do a very small one a mid size and a full 2kw
You want a T4EK or T5EB
I'll have a look at them, ta
Do I hear a second for the Trend routers?
There's a lot of better stuff about IMHO. If you want to spend loads of money on a router that's fair enough but if you want something in the DIY bracket for price but in the "Light Trade" bracket for performance you might want to have a look at Bosch. Speaking as one who has knackered many a router that is :D
Which brings me back to this one
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00074ELX6/ref=s9_sims_gw_s1_p60_aw_t1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1KHX7DRJ8ZPPPNHE51C2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467198433&pf_rd_i=468294
Any opinion on it/its ilk?
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I thought the bridge had to be a bit closer (in other words, no third pickup would exist)?
that has to do with scale length and bridge choice... rather than number of pickups. although 3 pickups on an LP is tight. but if it fits between the current two pickups its fine. if the bridge studs end up close too the bridge pickup cavity then you need to worry - but thats what rulers are for
one thing. refretting a guitar is all well and good. but re fretting a refretted guitar is something else. the slots do wear out so there are more issues to think of with a re-refret than there are a refret.
also, bobs suggestion of redoing the binding is good - because refrets with binding are the hardest type and you probably dont want to do that just yet. well actually gibson refrets where you have to keep the binding nubs are the hardest type. so yeah, if you redo the binding your options are more and cost is less (allowing for the extra cost of tools involved for doing a gibson style refret)
All duly noted, thanks.
I'm quite looking forward to the extra challenge of a bound-board refret, actually. Should be a tad more interesting, and make a normal one seem easier :)
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rout van halen style for a steinberger trans-trem
built-in korg kaoss pad
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rout van halen style for a steinberger trans-trem
built-in korg kaoss pad
No. Perhaps I should have added the qualification "for little money". I dont mind buying tools that I'll use again, but I'm not spending an order of magnitude more than the guitar cost on gear for it. Doubly so that the guitar isnt worth it (in tone and quality), tripply so that I'm not keeping it and quadrouply so that I have no interest in those things!
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rout van halen style for a steinberger trans-trem
built-in korg kaoss pad
No. Perhaps I should have added the qualification "for little money". I dont mind buying tools that I'll use again, but I'm not spending an order of magnitude more than the guitar cost on gear for it. Doubly so that the guitar isnt worth it (in tone and quality) and tripply so that I'm not keeping it.
well, you did ask for wild ideas ;)
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rout van halen style for a steinberger trans-trem
built-in korg kaoss pad
No. Perhaps I should have added the qualification "for little money". I dont mind buying tools that I'll use again, but I'm not spending an order of magnitude more than the guitar cost on gear for it. Doubly so that the guitar isnt worth it (in tone and quality) and tripply so that I'm not keeping it.
well, you did ask for wild ideas ;)
Not quite....I seem to have been slightly misinterpreted there...I can see how that would happen from what I said.
Theres nothing innately wrong with the suggestions, but I'm not gonna do them. Have any others?
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yeah but... if you do want a trans trem - you have two experts at your disposal. gwem and i have that thing sorted ( well as close as we can - maybe ned could get it closer)
whilst we are on that topic i would like to put out a request. if you know anyone that has a transtrem equiped steinberger i really want to spend a few minutes with one. not long, just long enough to see if the steinberger marketing and neds claims can compete with a peterson tuner.
we got gwems as close as its ever going to be and i want to know if thats within neds vision
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well, something realistic - steinberger gearless tuners are quite the trend these days, why not try a set out?
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what else should I do to this guitar?
Its basically worthless. I paid 30 quid for it and have no intention of keeping it. Its practice and modding fun. I'll give it to a school....if it survives
All suggestions welcome.
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well, you did ask for wild ideas ;)
Not quite....I seem to have been slightly misinterpreted there...I can see how that would happen from what I said.
;P
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Again, gwem, this isnt a guitar thats going into my own collection and if I wanted to try out something as easy to swap out as tuners, I'd just put some on one of my guitars.
Its to practice doing less common but in-the-grand-scheme-quite-numerous maintenance and modification tasks on that are potentially damaging to the guitar if you do a devries on it. The primary objective is to familiarise myself with the use of the required tools and techniques ascociated with those mods to train me to be able to do it to a standard that I can apply to my own instruments in future, and when I'm suitably shitee hot at it, sell as a service.
Not to try out gear!!
Sorry, Wez, I dont know anyone with the transtrem. If I run into one that I can arange access for you to then I'll tell you.
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chrome/mirror finish!!!!!!
ala mr satch
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Which brings me back to this one
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00074ELX6/ref=s9_sims_gw_s1_p60_aw_t1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=1KHX7DRJ8ZPPPNHE51C2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467198433&pf_rd_i=468294
Any opinion on it/its ilk?
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I have a Bosch PF1200AE among others. I only use it for fairly light work but it's a great little router for the price. If you buy something in the 1600 to 2000 watt class it can be a bit unwieldy for small jobs and the propensity for doing damage while you're learning to use it properly is immense. A small router is fine for most guitar work on a hobby basis as long as you don't try to take too much off in each pass.
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How many frets does it have? If it's 21/22, you could try to extend the fingerboard...
Mark.
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Sorry meant to post this link
http://www.powertooldirect.co.uk/trend_woodworking_from_trend_routers-cm-119-3814.html
Although the T5EB is cheaper here
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/74218/Power-Tools/Routers-Planers/Trend-T5EB-850W-Router
The T4EK is an 850w router very easy to use as it has a very small body
The T5EB is an 850w low power professional router which benefits from electronic speed control
I would probably recommend the T4EK because it would be really easy to use
Trend set the industry standard for routers most manufactures use their dimensions so that all the trend jigs etc will fit their routers.
Bosch tools are excellent but they do three grades green, and two grades of professional blue tools in general the green tools are designed for light domestic use. Any router will do the job as long as the bit is sharp, you are not cutting too deep or with too large a bit depending on the hardness of the woods. High quality router bits can be very expensive £20 each but there are some decent sets at a reasonable price. I have a ternd set. I spent a lot of time investigating routers and talking to professional woodworkers before I got one.
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Sorry meant to post this link
http://www.powertooldirect.co.uk/trend_woodworking_from_trend_routers-cm-119-3814.html
Although the T5EB is cheaper here
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/74218/Power-Tools/Routers-Planers/Trend-T5EB-850W-Router
The T4EK is an 850w router very easy to use as it has a very small body
The T5EB is an 850w low power professional router which benefits from electronic speed control
I would probably recommend the T4EK because it would be really easy to use
Trend set the industry standard for routers most manufactures use their dimensions so that all the trend jigs etc will fit their routers.
Bosch tools are excellent but they do three grades green, and two grades of professional blue tools in general the green tools are designed for light domestic use. Any router will do the job as long as the bit is sharp, you are not cutting too deep or with too large a bit depending on the hardness of the woods. High quality router bits can be very expensive £20 each but there are some decent sets at a reasonable price. I have a ternd set. I spent a lot of time investigating routers and talking to professional woodworkers before I got one.
Thanks but they're a bit much till I have some router skillz - I'm gonna go with the bosch
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Hehe I was actually suggesting the T4EK because it would be much easier to use than the bosch and it is about the same price, I am sure the bosch will serve you well.
The bosch equivalent to the TK5EB is something like
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/68002/Power-Tools/Corded-Screwdrivers/Bosch-GKF600-600W-Router
The main difference for the more expensive routers is the high precision depth adjustments which you need for inlays and the like
NB I have about 7 Bosch powertools (4 green) 1 Trend a few Hitachi and a Dewalt so its not that I am obsessed with Trend :chain:
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Hehe I was actually suggesting the T4EK because it would be much easier to use than the bosch and it is about the same price, I am sure the bosch will serve you well.
The bosch equivalent to the TK5EB is something like
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/68002/Power-Tools/Corded-Screwdrivers/Bosch-GKF600-600W-Router
The main difference for the more expensive routers is the high precision depth adjustments which you need for inlays and the like
NB I have about 7 Bosch powertools (4 green) 1 Trend a few Hitachi and a Dewalt so its not that I am obsessed with Trend :chain:
Ah, so it is, I only looked at the tk5.
I'll um and ah a bit.
Why do you think the trend will be easier to use?
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Size mainly and if you can handle them with one hand it is easier to see what you are doing. The small body offers less obstruction to know where you are. If you can nip to a DIY shop and try holding them and seeing how you would see what your are doing and control the bit. Some are designed to work well with jigs and guides others for freehand work. Only issue is if using one hand have to limit how much wood you are trying to cut.
Gets some scr@p hard and softwood and practice before you go near anything that matters - avoid high resin woods like new pine and any old woods with tars or laquers as this will wreck your bits.
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Just ideas, contour the body and put in a Jem style monkey grip. Spray it blood red and replace the binding with real ebony to practice wood bending. Reshape the back of the neck (been said already I think), install a fender S1 switch and see how many pickup combinations you can make. Rout out a battery cavity and build an active booster circuit, and finally strip it all back and reverse engineer everything you've done and start over. Filling in cavities for trems and holes is hard to do well I'm told.