Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Frank666 on April 27, 2009, 02:07:25 PM
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Hi all, as the title suggests I'm stuck for what pickups to stick in my dean ml (well it will be mine soon, waiting on delivery). It's a USA made dean without the floyd, I'm looking for a hard rock pickup but able for sabbath and early metallica and megadeth stuff too. So far I'm stuck between a Crawler set or a Nailbomb set. Any other suggestions?
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I advise you not to go for a crawler. It's a versatile pickup, able to play some heavy metal, but it will be too warm and rounded in that guitar for Metallica stuff, and far not enough tight, agressive and sharp for some Megadeth riffage.
The Nailbomb is said to be great for the Modern 'deth tone (since youthanasia). But once again I'm not sure it will pair well with that huge slice of mahogany you have as a guitar ! But it will be the best Alnico choice, I think.
If you are not against Ceramic, then it might be a better option for you... :guitar4:
Imo, the CS combo will fit you just fine : tight and very clear sound, with a great versality to play some great cleans. I am expecting him to give a spectacular result in this guitar and a great cuttin' sound with enough chunk. You'll nail both Megadeth and Metallica with it thanks to it's even EQ that doesn't color the natural sound of your guitar..
BUT For a fuller sound with more power AND tightness you can go with either a Painkiller or a Miracle Man, still with a CS neck. :twisted: :twisted:
The upper mid cut / tightness / clarity of the Painkiller IS the countdown / RIP sounds, whereas the low mids push of the MM will be more in the Metallica / modern Deth sound, but less versatile than the PK and of course the CS.....
so many options...... :good:
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It's not that I'm against ceramic, just never had any. What I've got so far are a set of mules in a les paul (fantastic sound too) and trying to sort out a heavy sounding guitar. Cold sweat eh? Must give it a go
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Does your ML have a Maple Cap? If yes then both Nailbomb and Cold sweat are an option and it comes down to your personal taste, if it has no cap then definitely cold Sweat!
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It'll have a cap but not a particularly thick one, think it's more ornamental than anything else
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cold sweat or painkiller
similar pickups, but the sweat is a bit more crunchy, balanced, versatile and slightly warmer
the painkiller is louder, more middy and cuts "harder"
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I'd say Painkiller.
It'll do most of what you want, it's always a good choise for V's and Explorers that want to do metal and it would be pretty close to what you would have found in a seventies or early eighties Dean.
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I'd keep well away from the CS and PK for sabbath capability. That would be NB or WP.
It may seem overkill on the gain front, but so long as you can use a volume control and your amps gain, I recommend a warpig.
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I'd keep well away from the CS and PK for sabbath capability. That would be NB or WP.
It may seem overkill on the gain front, but so long as you can use a volume control and your amps gain, I recommend a warpig.
I guess your over 900 years eyes aren't working properly anymore, old jedi
I think you read:
I'm looking for a sabbath pickup but able for sabbath and early sabbath and sabbath stuff too.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I think I have found something even more funny !
cold sweat or painkiller
I'd keep well away from the CS and PK.. .
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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That said i'll be very curious to listen to a WP in such a big mahogany-bodied guitar.. Won't it be faaaaaaaaarrr to beefy for Metallica and faaaaaaaaarr to dark for the EARLY 'Deth tone, (unless you set your Amp gain to 1) ????
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I'd keep well away from the CS and PK for sabbath capability. That would be NB or WP.
It may seem overkill on the gain front, but so long as you can use a volume control and your amps gain, I recommend a warpig.
I guess your over 900 years eyes aren't working properly anymore, old jedi
I think you read:
I'm looking for a sabbath pickup but able for sabbath and early sabbath and sabbath stuff too.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Your dark powers shall not avail you, evil one!
For the full breadth of the tones required, the warpig is the best pickup!
The CS and the PK are both too light-saber-like in their razor edge, whereas the WP is tight and aggressive enough for the thrash, but evil and grinding enough for the sabbath. Its more versatile than most (mainly Dr Vic in this thread ;)) give it credit for. It can handle this job, provided one can dial in an amp and use a volume pot. The ceramics are all a bit too razor-edged to cover all the bases here. If it were just metallica.....but its not!
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The CS and the PK are both too light-saber-like in their razor edge, whereas the WP is tight and aggressive enough for the thrash, but evil and grinding enough for the sabbath. Its more versatile than most (mainly Dr Vic in this thread ;)) give it credit for. It can handle this job, provided one can dial in an amp and use a volume pot. The ceramics are all a bit too razor-edged to cover all the bases here. If it were just metallica.....but its not!
I was more on what Tim told me when I mention him the WP exactely for the same Megadeth / Metallica Stuff (But I wasn't in sabbath tones though...)
Quite strange Yoda to see you not singing the praises of ceramics over alnico (especially in that guitar) for some EARLY YEARS 'Deth / metallica tones... :twisted:
This is not to contradict you (you know the Pigs better than me :mrgreen:), but still wondering how some holywars track would sound in a big mahogany bodied guitar with a WP in it... :roll:
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We arent talking the sounds of specific songs....are we...? For getting all that lot, the WP is my suggestion. Yes its overkill low end for most early metallica, but not AJFA or the black album, (if its your thing theyre great for a load and reload sound (and dont let anyone tell you different....but nailbombs are better for it)), and a lot of deths in there, plus theres the sabbath. Want it all in one pickup? I has. Its called a warpig and an EQ and gain dial. Most amps have them.
Anyway, no BK sounds as irritating and spiky as the tone on holy wars :P
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Anyway, no BK sounds as irritating and spiky as the tone on holy wars :P
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Don't even try to speak again like this about this state-of-the-art-speed-metal-masterpiece !!
But.....Yes, I have to admit....love rust in peace for its songs, not for its sound, which is indeed, cr@ppy...
...but it will be even more cr@ppier.... if played with the Pig ! :P
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You've never played a pig, how would you know :P
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Well.....
Because Megadeth use very low gain. They never use massive amount of distorsion, so that the sound is crystal clear and you can ear ALL the notes played with ease.
And the Pig is the most gainy / distorted in the BKP range : Even if I haven't played it, with a DC 22K I suppose you are ready for an earthquake !
You say you can solve that while dialing your vol knob on the guitar and the gain on the amp, and once again (seriously this time) I am not going to contradict you on that, if you think it's the solution to nail all the tones wanted here, then it's surely the way to go.
I must be false (once again! :wallbash:) but I always thought a pickup will give his best with the vol knob of the guitar on full position, and that rolling back the volume would prevent him to deliver his best result (or should I say deliver the goods!) while altering it's temper.
To me it's like driving a Ferrari while always staying on the 1st gear. BUT once again I must be false...I never drived a Ferrari...and my vol knob are always full on, because always dialing knobs bore me to death !! :lol:
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Well.....
Because Megadeth use very low gain. They never use massive amount of distorsion, so that the sound is crystal clear and you can ear ALL the notes played with ease.
And the Pig is the most gainy / distorted in the BKP range : Even if I haven't played it, with a DC 22K I suppose you are ready for an earthquake !
You say you can solve that while dialing your vol knob on the guitar and the gain on the amp, and once again (seriously this time) I am not going to contradict you on that, if you think it's the solution to nail all the tones wanted here, then it's surely the way to go.
I must be false (once again! :wallbash:) but I always thought a pickup will give his best with the vol knob of the guitar on full position, and that rolling back the volume would prevent him to deliver his best result (or should I say deliver the goods!) while altering it's temper.
To me it's like driving a Ferrari while always staying on the 1st gear. BUT once again I must be false...I never drived a Ferrari...and my vol knob are always full on, because always dialing knobs bore me to death !! :lol:
Specs are just indicators. Truth is in hearing.
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You want the truth, you can't handle the truth
On a second note the guitar tech who is fitting my RY really likes the WP they are capable of a huge working range far more versatile than he expected I think those and Nailbombs surprised him most.
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He's right on both counts - far more versatile pickups than people (naming no names) give them credit for.
FAR more versatile.
But the specs say 22k, so they can only do bone-crushing metal.
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I sense a disturbance in the Force
the OP mentioned 4 types of tone
the warpig is great for 1 of them, fine for the others
the painkiller and cold sweat are great for 3 of them, ok for the other
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He's right on both counts - far more versatile pickups than people (naming no names) give them credit for.
FAR more versatile.
But the specs say 22k, so they can only do bone-crushing metal.
No, this is a too much shortcut, too simplistic, !
:? Am I in the no named ones ? :D
You know I don't think that the Pig is not versatile, right ? :wink:
If Franck666 want to know about the versality and capabilities of the Pig, he has all the informations there
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16921.0
As you know I said there that I saw and heard french jazzmen playing with the Pig and the result was stunning ! But this is off topic !
You seem not to have read my last post from end to end....What I said is that I thought - but maybe I was wrong - that the WP was too much for the needs here, especially in that guitar (not that it couldn't do it), and that all this arsenal wasn't worth the 'sacrifice' of always dialing the vol knob to go on the sounds wanted...
And yes, the 22K are too beefy for both Megadeth and Metallica (just not necessary), and as for the sabbath, I heard some clips covering their songs in the player section played with a Riff Raff !. And the result wasn't that bad...
Now you're right :
Specs are just indicators. Truth is in hearing.
So there you go : Megadeth played with a Pig !
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=14485.0
The clip is good quality, good playing, good everything.
So yes the Pig can do it. The leads part and the chorus lines are almost excellent.
BUT, on the main rythm figure of the song, the Pig says all it's personality and voicing :
There is too much grind / growl in it's voice. It is also too dark and far too loud and fat in the bass.
I haven't played the Pig but I know Megadeth, and this sound is not the signature of this band, imo.
But Yes the Pig can do it...that way. :P
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I sense a disturbance in the Force
the OP mentioned 4 types of tone
the warpig is great for 1 of them, fine for the others
the painkiller and cold sweat are great for 3 of them, ok for the other
:tin:
^+100 on that. 3 lines that sum up my last (long) post !
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New forum rule - if youre gonna talk about pickups you havent played, you have to qualify your opinion as such and defer to those that have. Just common sense really. Specs arent the whole story, clips arent the whole strory, teh only way to get the whole story is playing them :P
So, to recap
1 Tim knows his pickups, do what he says first
2 If darth hellstyle and I agree, then we're right unless in violation of rule 1
3 If you havent played the pickup, your opinion doesnt count if in contradiction with someone that has
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Vic, I dont care about the clip, I have an A5 warpig right here that I can get megadeth sounds out of with the cunning use of the controls on my amp.
Yes, the PK and CS are better for the early deth and tallica, but they arent 'ok' for sabbath - they're much too sharp and tight. The WP is the best for all 3, IMO, followed by the nailbomb.
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wtf?
Just heard the megadeth clip - its detuned 1/2 step and mixed with a tonne of low end and recorded with much more gain than the original.
These things have to be taken into account - was he trying to replicate the tone or make a heavier version?
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New forum rule - if youre gonna talk about pickups you havent played, you have to qualify your opinion as such and defer to those that have. Just common sense really. Specs arent the whole story, clips arent the whole strory, teh only way to get the whole story is playing them :P
So, to recap
1 Tim knows his pickups, do what he says first
2 If darth hellstyle and I agree, then we're right unless in violation of rule 1
3 If you havent played the pickup, your opinion doesnt count if in contradiction with someone that has
Yes I really agree with all that. Refering to your recap number 1 I just said here earlier that I also asked Tim sometimes ago for a pup to play 'deth and 'tallica and linkin Park (not sabbath though) in a mahogany bodied guitar, and he advise me NOT to go for the WP because it was an absolute OVERKILL, for me, for the tones I was after.
And as I said earlier you know the Pig better than me, AND you are far more experienced than me which is why your advices have highly to be taken into account, far more than than the vague pointers I put here to help on the tones I like to play.
PDT_002
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Word, thanks, just sayin'.
To reiterate - I agree that the PK (especially) and the CS are better for the old thrash, but they cant do the sabbath nearly as well as the pig can do the thrash. Its not in its power, you dont need to use all of it, its in its voicing. Thats my recommendation, and why, with the nailbomb as backup. Thinking about it now I may recommend the NB more higly for this, but alas I dont have it now (I most recently played it in a customers guitar a short while ago), so it partly falls victim to rule 3 there, but if you want thrash and more organic tones as well, its a superb choice.
For your choices theres more common ground in the tone and its easier - I'd have said a painkiller would do all of them (if you scoop your amp out for the linkin park).
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It was interesting (and also a funny :mrgreen:) to converse with you on that thread. I knew that it was necessary for the debate here to 'force' you to give more details on your recommendations (that is certainly not the right word but you get the idea, Jedi), so much so that Franck666 will have now all the info possible to make the best choice between the possible options.
Thanks for the input anyway ! :good: