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=> BKP Sound Clips => Topic started by: Tim on April 24, 2005, 06:39:26 PM
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Here's a demo of the Miracle Man I put down at HJM's last weekend.
Guitar-LP with Miracle Man humbucker set
Amp: HJMs stock JCM800 into 2x 12 cab
Effects:Keeley SD1 and Real McCoy Wizard Wah.
Like the Mule demo, the cab was close mic'ed with a SM57 mike, the volume was low so the speakers aren't working that hard :evil: but HJM's got neighbours!!
No EQ added and the amp was set the same as The Mule clip.
The rhythm is doubled and panned 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock. Solo 1 is bridge and SD1 only, solo 2 is neck, SD1 and Wah
There is a clean bridge/neck tone in the 2nd break if you listen hard although bare in mind the Miracle Man is a weapon of war :twisted:
Hopefully you'll get the idea of what can be done with the Miracle Man although this is only a brief clip and depending on amp/guitar combinations you can do so much more. Let me know what you think :!:
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cheers tim, ill just give this a spin...
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Here's a demo of the Miracle Man I put down at HJM's last weekend.
Guitar-LP with Miracle Man humbucker set
Amp: HJMs stock JCM800 into 2x 12 cab
Effects:Keeley SD1 and Real McCoy Wizard Wah.
Like the Mule demo, the cab was close mic'ed with a SM57 mike, the volume was low so the speakers aren't working that hard :evil: but HJM's got neighbours!!
The rhythm is doubled and panned 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock. Solo 1 is bridge and SD1 only, solo 2 is neck, SD1 and Wah
There is a clean bridge/neck tone in the 2nd break if you listen hard although bare in mind the Miracle Man is a weapon of war :twisted:
8) Yer Loved It !!! Pinch those Harmonics !!
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Rude not to :D
Hopefully the clip gives you an idea of what the Miracle Man sounds/performs like, as if you hadn't guessed :twisted:
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Just thought I'd add that the Miracle Man humbucker was what started this all off(BKP I mean). That and the Stormy Monday humbucker were the first I worked on. The R&D stage of BKP was over a year long before we went 'live' as it were and I still tweak specs all the time if I find a better way of doing a wind or better materials.
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That was alright, I guess, if you're into that sort of thing ...
J/K
That was freaking awesome!! I hope I can do this forum some justice with my clips ... this place is very intimidating!! :!: :shock:
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Nice playing, ok tone.
The above statement may be slightly under exaggerated.
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I've only heard top notch stuff in this room so far, and with the head of the company having chops like that, bkp is gonna go far
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Like I said, I recorded this through HJM's rig not my own and we had to record very quietly so the full force of the Miracle Man humbuckers didn't really come across but it gives you a ballpark idea of the tone they can produce. For a more organic tone the Nailbomb is the way to go(check Steve's great clip) although if you're into the Zakk thing these are the ones.
The Warpig takes the saturated gain tone even further.
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Wow.....
I need to go practice. A lot...
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Wow.....
I need to go practice. A lot...
+1 !!
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All the clips sound great, and the playing damn good too. But it's not making it easy to pick the next set of pickups. Looking forward to the Warpig & VH 2 demos. :D I think I'll practice some more before posting any demos of my own :oops:
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I've been thinking about recording something with my Warpig equipped beast but how am I gonna fit sparkling clean, rock 'n roll overdrive, drop tuned metal and a bluesy fiddly bit into one song. And how am I gonna get that onto my computer?
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These sound awesome.
I'd love to get a set, alas, I'm getting some Trilogy Suites instead :D
Great playing too!
Andy!
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Im up for getting a set of these fitted into my LP, i cant wait to give them a bash! Tim said these pickups are good if you are into the whole Zakk thing - that sums me up almost completely! Zakk is a god and is a real inspiration to my playing so hazar i think ive found my pickups!
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Zakk is a god and is a real inspiration to my playing so hazar i think ive found my pickups!
Hmmm ... you obviously didn't hear about his meltdown in Hollywood last night.
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Zakk is a god and is a real inspiration to my playing so hazar i think ive found my pickups!
Hmmm ... you obviously didn't hear about his meltdown in Hollywood last night.
nor did i...what happened?
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I'll post it up in Off Topic ... it's quite pathetic.
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Looking forward to the Warpig & VH 2 demos.
me too!
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All right spill it... what happened :?:
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All right spill it... what happened :?:
I posted all the deails in Off Topic. :)
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You sure you didn't get zak in to do the playing hehe
Dam that was good, just as my mind was made up i listen to this, now i gotta start thinking all over again heh
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It sounds spot on Tim. I can't wait to get my Charvel modified by Jonathon with the M/M and Trilogys. I went to my local guitar shop in Palmers Green this morning and jotted down the URL for them as I feel they are missing out on the action. Their not hungry enough any more in a way as they have been at it for years and dealers can get a bit jaded but hopefully as I was bursting with enthusiasm they may get up to speed!
I love what you the BKP team have done for guitar players with your work. It makes you proud to be British!
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It sounds spot on Tim. I can't wait to get my Charvel modified by Jonathon with the M/M and Trilogys. I went to my local guitar shop in Palmers Green this morning and jotted down the URL for them as I feel they are missing out on the action. Their not hungry enough any more in a way as they have been at it for years and dealers can get a bit jaded but hopefully as I was bursting with enthusiasm they may get up to speed!
I love what you the BKP team have done for guitar players with your work. It makes you proud to be British!
Keep spreading the word, why are shops and guitarists so backwards when it comes to new brands? Especially without a review....at least now BKP has a Gold award we should start to see more of them!
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$%&#, this pickup reminds me of the Seymour Duncan JB in Megadeth“s CD Rust In Peace. but more "AIR" Sound .
is that possible to have a Miracle Man , nailbomb, the mule or warpig in Alnico II with the same tight and Solid Bass response? and retaining the articulation under HIGHHHHHHHHH GAINNNNNN situations?
J.P
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Absolutely not, Alnico II is totally incapable of driving high gain pickups, all you'd hear is a dull mush.That's why I spend so long voicing them, so I know what does and doesn't work.
As a general rule, once you're over DC14K Alnico II and Alnico III are no goes, even Alnico IV can struggle if the wind isn't right at these kind of resistances.This is where Alnico V and Ceramics come into their own as they have the power to drive higher gain pickups.
As with all things there are acceptions but gemerally the above applies.
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HUUUUUUMMM, very INteresting
thank“s for chimming IN tim.
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S'what I'm here for :D
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Hails Tim, did you get my Pm about BKPickups?
:P
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Nope!
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Keep spreading the word, why are shops and guitarists so backwards when it comes to new brands? Especially without a review....at least now BKP has a Gold award we should start to see more of them!
Yep, I've been recommending BKP to people just because of the top class customer service, as I've not actually installed my Mule yet. People dont seem to want to spend £100 on a pickup that will sound superior to almost anything else..I dont get it :? I'm in the middle of trying to convince a metalhead friend to try a BKP instead of the EMG's he is after :P
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The price thing is a funny one........£90 gets you a completely handmade pickup,higher spec materials than any production pickup in the world, with a lifetime warranty............expensive,I don't think so.
The huge volume of US orders coming through now is testament to that-with the $ being so weak to the £, they're really getting hit hard but tone is the first priority to alot of folk.
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I don't get it. I've seen players who are willing to spend thousands on guitars, amps and FX, but seem unwilling to invest in a good set of pickups.
Maybe it's a status thing?
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I don't get it. I've seen players who are willing to spend thousands on guitars, amps and FX, but seem unwilling to invest in a good set of pickups.
Maybe it's a status thing?
I guess a lot of players dont understand that the pickup is the voice of the guitar and that they think by changing their amps/pedals and guitars they will eventually stumble across the sound they where looking for. I know cause i was one a year ago. I have been educated, and pickups are much more inexpensive than valve heads.
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A matched pair of Gibson anything is £210+, the new'calibrated'SDs are £205(wonder where that idea came from!!), a pair of Lollar humbuckers are £240,Fralins come in at £220+,import a set of WCRs and they'll be £200+...............a calibrated covered set of BKPs are £190..............who's expensive especailly considering out of all the above we're the only one's to honestly handwind ours,don't charge extra for gold or 4 conductor,warranty for life and use far more expensive bespoke materials.
I rest my case. PDT_045
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Just you Erland-I gig this one weekly and fuzzy is one thing it is not, it's tight as a nut!
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Is it just me, or does the MM sound very fuzzy?
:roll:
Just you.
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It's sharp. Wich means it cuts like a knife.
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BE CAREFUL TO, you "soft" hand can be cutted by the miracle mans HIGHS
HHAahAhaHahaHAhaHAhAHAhaH
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I cannae wait to get mine, with scratchplate, all black with the BKP logo engraved into them in gold. Metal as $%&#?
I certainly think so! :D
Just need to sell my Duncans...
Andy!
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I've got calibrated Nailbombs in a battered old Vee & a Mule in an older Ibanez RS1010SL. Both PUPs excellent & superb customer service - e-mail advice from Tim, ordered at PJs, Portsmouth, that day, wound that evening, delivered next day. Can't beat that. MMs in a Les Paul next, after hearing the sound clip! Awesome stuff - when do Ozzmosis next play the Wedge (must see the MMs in action!). :band5:
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I'd chip in on the value for money thing. I am still absolutely delighted with my Apaches- they just get better as far as I am concerned. I have been messing around with amp settings like never before. Not because I can't get happy-quite the opposite in fact because of the responsiveness -it is more rewarding than ever before just messing around. To me, BKPs are worth every penny as we have all found out.I agree that pups are the main voice of the guitar- get that right and everthing else follows. I have found also that I have reduced f/x settings-I don't think I have seen any mention of this and it'd be interesting to see what the rest of you think
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just wondering how it was actually recorded...
mics into ??? into ??? then onto a PC?
Getting confused about recording stuff at mo, want to sort some cheap gear which will let me just mic my amp, then record onto something, then transfer that onto my pc...
dont want to be bothered with onboard amp models + effects, just my tone, captured onto my pc :)
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just wondering how it was actually recorded...
mics into ??? into ??? then onto a PC?
Getting confused about recording stuff at mo, want to sort some cheap gear which will let me just mic my amp, then record onto something, then transfer that onto my pc...
dont want to be bothered with onboard amp models + effects, just my tone, captured onto my pc :)
I take a direct out of my Koch Loadbox and run it in to my soundcard. I think those Hotplates that are causing so much GAS can do that too. I can mike my amp too but you have to crank the $%&#er up and it's not always possible!
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Good idea!!! i've ordered the Weber Mass and was thinking of that, but i cant rellay play near my pc (past amps have picked up a buzzing noise, plus no room!)... need a portable thing to capture mysefl :)
https://weberspeakerscom.secure.powweb.com/weber/mass.htm
Will do some a/b clips and a review etc once i get everything delivered n ready.. and find a recorder thing!
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just wondering how it was actually recorded...
mics into ??? into ??? then onto a PC?
Getting confused about recording stuff at mo, want to sort some cheap gear which will let me just mic my amp, then record onto something, then transfer that onto my pc...
dont want to be bothered with onboard amp models + effects, just my tone, captured onto my pc :)
SM57in the middle of the speaker - Neve preamp - M-Audio Delta interface - Apple G4 powermac running Logic Pro7
You could try a portable Minidisc recorder, the little Sony ECM stereo mic's OK. If you're getting Buzz, switch the monitor off whe you record - that's where most oif the buzz comes from (assuming you have a CRT not and LCD monitor!)
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hey, just curious... that clip.. is it an original or a copy? cuz it sounds so badass, i wanna hear the original song :P... LOVE that wah riff...
thanks for feeback
top work on the clip :D
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Nope, thats original! Tim is a fantastic song writer and musician!
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Nope, thats original! Tim is a fantastic song writer and musician!
Aww Steve, you say the nicest things :lol:
Yes, it's an original piece...............when HJM and I did the recording I had to come up with all the ideas on the spot but I think it captured the vibe!
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For some reason I've not heard this clip before, it's freaking awesome! I'm putting it on my ipod! :twisted:
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Tim sounds amazing. Any chance I of the same track or settings with the Cold Sweats to get a real iea of differences and similarities?
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Good idea................HJM and I are set to do all the product soundclips(140 of them-yikes!)just before Xmas so maybe we'll have a crack at doing that too.
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Fantastic. I think what would stop people asking for clips so much is hearing the pickups all on the same amp w/same settings.
Then maybe a short second clip in its own tweaked environment.
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I think at the end of the day however we do the clips, some people will still ask for it to be done another way.Hopefully once the job is done everyone will be happy.........there'll be a short clean and dirty clip of every pickup all through the same amp..........guitars will vary of course as you don't want to hear Strat coils in a LP and vice versa :D .
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Wow, great! :D Will the clips show what the pickups were designed for? I mean a Warpig being introduced by a metal clip, the Stormy Monday by a bluesier one, something like that.
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Yes, In our thinking someone looking to buy a Warpig isn't going to be interested how it plays a blues lick, and someone buying a stormy monday wont want to hear it playing a heavy metal lick!
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sweet playing tIm! uh, i was just wonderin if that was an actual song, maybe by Ozzy Osbourne, or something you made? it the latter then thats just amazing. if it is something i might be able to find on a tab site can i have the name of it please? if not, would you consider writing a tab for some of it?
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yey, my first post, im a straw!
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sweet playing tom! uh, i was just wonderin if that was an actual song, maybe by Ozzy Osbourne, or something you made? it the latter then thats just amazing. if it is something i might be able to find on a tab site can i have the name of it please? if not, would you consider writing a tab for some of it?
It's a track that Tim has written him self. It's good you thought it was Ozzy, its Zakk inspired.
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oh, darn. it sounded gd, and i wanted 2 try n learn it, but i get stuck after a little way...wondering if anyone at all could help?
its heavy how you wrote all that tim, maybe one day i will be skilled enough to write something that great(cant wait that long!!!)
yee, third post
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Just to make it worse Tim made it up on the spot!! :twisted:
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i cant see how that makes it worse, stil amazing to listen to
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The Miracle Man Pickups sound amazing, I like how the guitar sounds like it is almost out of control.
I wish I new why this pickup is technicaly acting this way. (componant wise) .
Feel free to email
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I'm afraid that's probably just the way I played it :lol: !!Glad you like the tone though..............component wise there's nothing revolutionary going on other than heavy scatterwinding and the result of winding literally 100s of prototypes before settling on the final wind for the Miracle Man.
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ive been trying to imitate this song(if its ok wiv ya tim). the first guitar that starts playing the first riff, how do i play the end bit of that riff? after the normal part where it has the high chord and high harmonic?
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The sliding chord section?Just dig in and split the harmonics on the middle two strings of the chord.
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heard a zakk lick in that solo, great sounding demo though.
not trying to say theres anything against using other peoples licks or being sarcy or funnny etc.
I've got a MM in the bridge of my strat now, use to have a VHII but thats been moved to me dads les paul..
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Zakk lick :lol: I should hope so, it was all pentatonic!
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Is it just me, or does the MM sound very fuzzy?
:roll:
It's a loud ceramic, what do you expect? PAF articulation?
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Just you Erland-I gig this one weekly and fuzzy is one thing it is not, it's tight as a nut!
Nah Tim, I think he's just used to PAFs or something else. ;)
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Yo tim, just heard yer clip, i like :D Very Mr. Wylde, well done mate!
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Wow, this is an amazing clip - your lead guitar playing is phenomenal.
I'm a fairly amateurish lead guitarist from the old-school blues-rock school of playing - I have expression, emotion and decent composition skills, but severely limited chops. I've been trying to expand my influences, and your clip has revived my interest in Zakk Wylde and heavy metal guitar - thanks.
Could you offer any advice for a budding guitar player looking to explore this style of lead guitar? Also, do you have any recommendations in terms of music to listen to or online resources/tips/lessons etc?
With your solo stuff in the clip, is that pure alternate picking? I read online somewhere that Zakk primarily uses alternate picking, whereas I'm more of a mixed player with a fair bit of legato stuff. I'm sort of from the Clapton-Bluesbreaker-style school of playing and struggle to understand (let alone play!) the incredibly fast lead stuff as in your clip. I mean, how do you hold your pick? How did you learn to play like that (hours and hours of practice, surely, but practicing what)? Which scales and modes do you primarily use in your playing? How do you get those wonderful Zakk-style pinch harmonics with the vibrato (my style of music hasn't really called for me to ever learn pinch harmonics)?
Anything you could offer would be much appreciated. Comments and input from other forum members is also more than welcome.
Again, incredible playing - thanks for sharing. Also, BKP are the best - I bought a calibrated set of Mules a few months ago and they just sound incredible - precisely what I was looking for. I gave them a glowing review on Harmony Central and have been raving to all my musician friends here in New Zealand about BKP - it's the least I can do in return for such a great contribution to my tone.
As an aside, what speakers are in that 2x12 cab? It sounds brilliant. I play a Marshall Silver Jubilee 2554 1x12 combo, and though I love the tone of the amp, I've been irked recently by the harsh/shrill sound of the sole G12 Vintage 30 speaker in the amp - after about fifteen minutes of playing, my ears get a bit fatigued. I was set on doing the whole 4x12 half-stack thing, but after a lot of consideration, I think a 2x12 might be more sensible - less weight/bulk, and from the sounds of these clips, no sacrifice in tone. I want to tone down the highs a little - I've heard good things about the combination of a G12H30 (70th Anniversary) and Vintage 30 in a 2x12. Don't get me wrong, I love the V30's mids and tight bottom - however, some of my favorite tones are those of 60's and 70's classic rock, and the G12H30s' combination of Greenback and Vintage 30 characteristics sounds like it might be perfect for me. Can you or anyone else offer any advice?
Cheers,
- Hamish
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Could you offer any advice for a budding guitar player looking to explore this style of lead guitar? Also, do you have any recommendations in terms of music to listen to or online resources/tips/lessons etc?
With your solo stuff in the clip, is that pure alternate picking? I read online somewhere that Zakk primarily uses alternate picking, whereas I'm more of a mixed player with a fair bit of legato stuff. I'm sort of from the Clapton-Bluesbreaker-style school of playing and struggle to understand (let alone play!) the incredibly fast lead stuff as in your clip. I mean, how do you hold your pick? How did you learn to play like that (hours and hours of practice, surely, but practicing what)? Which scales and modes do you primarily use in your playing? How do you get those wonderful Zakk-style pinch harmonics with the vibrato (my style of music hasn't really called for me to ever learn pinch harmonics)?
Listen and play......................eat up as much as you can of whatever it is you're aspiring to and play until your fingers drop off.Don't just play on your own either, mix with the best players you can find, get into jams, into bands, always set your targets way above your exisiting limits and don't just practice what you know.
As for lessons and online resources.........I've always muddled along without, prefering to get what I can from listening and playing with others but there's a wealth of good stuff out there.One of the BKP users Chris Broderick has a tutorial website you can sign up too, he's an awesome player and extremely well respected tutor too. Not sure of the web address but I'm sure it'll pop up on google.
Alternate picking-in that clip pretty much although there's a bit of legato in there too.
Pick-thumb and first finger, kind of hard to describe without seeing it but pretty normally I think.Splitting harmonics is just digging in with both the pick and side of yourthumb.........I first heard John Sykes doing it back in the '80s and have been doing it ever since.
Scales............in this clip it's all pentatonics ala Zakk.
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Good bit of 80's Thin Lizzy eh Tim? :)
Hey I've found some good resources on the net throughout my learning, Although some of the best stuff I used half a decade or so ago isnt on the net anymore , shame really because i swear it's all been dumbed down.
www.chopsfromhell.com
^^ Is full of technique based stuff, and I must admit this site was responsible for my obession with Technique a few years ago.
But getting a good tutor never hurts.
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I bought a used cold sweat off of ebay a few weeks ago and it rocks!
I just ordered a set of chrome covered MM's from this site and looking forward to installing it into my Les Paul.
Great sound clip!
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hey Tim
great job and those harmonics are bad ass man!! :D
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Pretty groovy man.
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Very cool rythems and leads. Good job capturing both pickup capabilities.
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wow
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I love these pickups! If you are looking for more of a death metal type sound these are PERFECT if you do not like those soulless EMG-81s! The first 2 tracks on my myspace ("Breat of Fresh Death" and "Touched With Fire") use the Miracle Man and my guitar is a 6 string set up for Standard B tuning. The clarity I still get with this pickup is phenomenal!!!!! www.myspace.com/metalmikesd
I will upload both songs on separate posts
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Here is "Touched With Fire"
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That one sounds CLEEEEAN! I love it.
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:D :D :D
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I just installed my miracle man in my mockingbird the other night? Is it just me or is it metallic tight, and a tad lesser full bodied than the painkiller? The reason im asking is that im not an experienced solder :p I suspect that i did something wrong. But it still sounds AWESOME!
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Hmmm.... :o
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Nice clip tim!
I just ordered a set of Miracle Man BKP's for my first warmoth strat!
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They are very pleasant!