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Title: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: tomjackson on May 22, 2009, 10:44:27 PM
Pointless question but just interested to see what folk think....
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: Elliot on May 22, 2009, 11:15:54 PM
Both great in different ways - Johnny Marr for his visionary use of tone, effects and odd chords to drive the Smiths and John Squire for his Zep meets pop meets slide pyrotechnics.  No doubt others will disagree, but two of my fave guitarists. 
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: Philly Q on May 23, 2009, 12:06:16 AM
I don't really know either of them that well, both obviously very talented but musically out of my "comfort zone".

I voted Marr because I'm more familiar with some of his stuff.  That's not a very good reason, but I can't take back the vote.  :oops:
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: CaptainDesslock on May 23, 2009, 12:39:16 AM
should I be ashamed that us youngins don't know who these people are?
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: indysmith on May 23, 2009, 01:55:40 AM
should I be ashamed that us youngins don't know who these people are?
YES YES YES
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: 38thBeatle on May 23, 2009, 08:04:19 AM
I don't feel qualified to be able to say one way or the other. Sure I know some of their work but not enough to be able to make any judgement. For me comparing artists is like comparing the merits of different colours.
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: Prawnik on May 23, 2009, 09:09:40 AM
As a young housecat gorwing up in a barn in Nowheresville, Iowa, I had heard about the Smiths and I wanted so badly to like them.

Then I heard them.

I think my immediate reaction was to rush to put on some Muddy Waters or anything that didn't involve Mancunians' self-consiously oh-so witty songs about their oh-so ambiguous sexuality.
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: tomjackson on May 23, 2009, 09:49:38 AM
As a young housecat gorwing up in a barn in Nowheresville, Iowa, I had heard about the Smiths and I wanted so badly to like them.

Then I heard them.

I think my immediate reaction was to rush to put on some Muddy Waters or anything that didn't involve Mancunians' self-consiously oh-so witty songs about their oh-so ambiguous sexuality.

Funny I had the same reaction and I'm from Manchester.  I hate the Smiths and have never been able to understand why anybody likes them.  Perhaps if they would have had a different singer.....

The Stone Roses however were great.   :D
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: tomjackson on May 23, 2009, 09:51:39 AM
should I be ashamed that us youngins don't know who these people are?

Not at all but you should get your self a copy of 'The Stone Roses,' it's a great album.
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: mecca777 on May 23, 2009, 10:57:07 AM
I voted for Johnny Marr, even though I hate Morrissey, but my real answer would be "Vini Reilly" because he's better than either of them. :)
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: MrBump on May 23, 2009, 11:14:50 AM
Marr for me - although I think that he's a little overrated...
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: indysmith on May 23, 2009, 12:03:12 PM
I went for Marr too, just because I love the Smiths soooooooo much.
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: tomjackson on May 23, 2009, 01:52:12 PM
I voted for Johnny Marr, even though I hate Morrissey, but my real answer would be "Vini Reilly" because he's better than either of them. :)

Added to the list, just for you :D
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: Johnny Mac on May 23, 2009, 08:27:14 PM
I voted for John Squire. I think he is a brilliant guitarist. I like Johnny Marr too but I was really into the roses when the baggy scene came out. I didn't like all of the music from that era though.
The full length album version of I am the resurrection is a masterpiece of songwriting and musicianship from all of them. Some of his over dubs and ideas as it all builds up are brilliant, as is the production, which I believe was him too.
The Seahorses album a few years ago is a great example of what he can do too.
Its a shame he doesn't want to play anymore. He is into his painting more these days. He is really good at that too!
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: Muttley on May 24, 2009, 12:28:01 AM
Ah, Stone Roses and Smiths.  Two bands ruined by having cr@p vocalists.  ;)

I'd go with Squire, although Marr did some nice work.

Never heard of Vini Reilly.
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: imike24 on May 27, 2009, 06:18:10 PM
yeah me too

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Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: willo on May 27, 2009, 10:58:42 PM
I go Marr. Simply because Squire was amazing, but he was more influenced than he was influential. We're still seeing the footprints of Marr all over current 'superstar' guitarists like John Frusciante, and a ton of American rock acts.
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: ToneMonkey on May 28, 2009, 05:00:00 PM
should I be ashamed that us youngins don't know who these people are?

Not at all but you should get your self a copy of 'The Stone Roses,' it's a great album.

That is the best advice I've ever heard, fuggin awesome album.

I never used to like the Smiths but now I'm quite into them........ must be getting old.  Also the line "I was looking for a job, then I found a job, and heaven knows I'm miserable now" is the best line in the known universe.
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: Elliot on May 28, 2009, 11:37:35 PM

'Sweetness sweetness I was only joking when I said I'd like to smash every tooth in your head' - that's my fav Morrissey lyric.  :D
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: juansolo on May 30, 2009, 07:34:18 AM
I voted for John Squire. I think he is a brilliant guitarist. I like Johnny Marr too but I was really into the roses when the baggy scene came out. I didn't like all of the music from that era though.
The full length album version of I am the resurrection is a masterpiece of songwriting and musicianship from all of them. Some of his over dubs and ideas as it all builds up are brilliant, as is the production, which I believe was him too.
The Seahorses album a few years ago is a great example of what he can do too.
Its a shame he doesn't want to play anymore. He is into his painting more these days. He is really good at that too!

Seen him a few times at track days also in his old (but absolutely stunning) BMW DTM car.
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest?? - DEAD HEAT!
Post by: tomjackson on May 30, 2009, 09:20:36 AM
Voting closed, it's a dead heat with 7 votes each!!
Title: Re: Johnny Marr or John Squire, who's the greatest??
Post by: fbloke on June 13, 2009, 05:47:43 PM
Can't get a fag paper between them in terms of ability/creativity, both massively important in their genre.  However, I can't forgive Squire for getting (an alleged) big coke habit and pretending to be re-making Led Zep 2 on the Roses second album. Johnny Mar is the winner for my money.

Now then, I think Mark Day formerly of Happy Mondays is a really underrated guitarist.  What do the rest of you think?