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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Davey on October 24, 2005, 09:27:22 AM

Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: Davey on October 24, 2005, 09:27:22 AM
but on first glace i think there might be a few problems because the hole is not even (reason why i couldnt put on the grille.. will have to buy a diferent one)


hope i can mount them soon and try em out



oh, speakers are 8 ohm V30's (not the china ones.. straight from englund. the store ordered them and sent them directly to me from england cos they didnt have any stock and they said i'll have them monday.. now THAT is i store i am shopping in again!)


soo.. any ideas what screws i should use? lol...  and if i use the wrong ones will it change the tone?  :roll:

LOL
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: HJM on October 24, 2005, 09:38:41 AM
They're all from China these days... :cry:
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: PhilKing on October 24, 2005, 12:52:56 PM
I like to put speakers in with T-bolts.  I think you get a better grip and there are less problems if you want to change them.  Other than that, just make sure they are tight  :lol:
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: Davey on October 24, 2005, 02:48:44 PM
i got a couple of problemos ...


the hole is a bit big.. so now, the foam around the outer rim of the speaker fits tightly into the hole, on both speakers. i got no idea how i should mount them now cos the holes for the screws arent on the wood =/

will have to figure something out..


the 2nd part is that the grille doesnt fit =P they arent the ones i wanted but thought what the hell... (the mount thingies are separate and i wanted the whole thing in 1 piece


any thoughts on this?



here are a couple of pictures:
(http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/6547/pa2400030cw.th.jpg) (http://img429.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa2400030cw.jpg)(http://img448.imageshack.us/img448/8555/pa2400046ma.th.jpg) (http://img448.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa2400046ma.jpg)
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: HJM on October 24, 2005, 03:16:29 PM
So the speaker hole is too big?? You could try and mount a second baffle with the correct hole size, and mount the inside the cab. It could be thin ply, just enough to support the speaker....can't think of another way!
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: steve on October 24, 2005, 03:26:07 PM
Try and front load the Vintage 30's they sound much better than rear mounted.They have much more life and tone this way.I have two custom pine cabs that i have experimented with and have found front loading these speakers far superior.
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: Davey on October 24, 2005, 03:39:37 PM
cant front load them cos then i cant mount the grille anywhere =/ plus it would stick out a bit

it is pretty much my fault for not checking out stuff in depth beforehand.. but live and learn .. i know now for the next time


i'm thinking of getting 4 small metal plates with little 6mm 'bolts' sticking out in front and then screw those into the wood with 2 screws. i think it would work without much hassle, but it's aditional waiting for having them done =/


aaaargh
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: steve on October 24, 2005, 04:14:20 PM
I made a frame for the front speaker cloth which sits in the rim around the speakers and has about 5 mm clearance,ill try and post some pics which may help.You could possibly bring the baffle back 1/2 inch to accomodate?
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: PhilKing on October 24, 2005, 06:35:16 PM
You could use T-Bolts and some angle pieces, and mount 4 of them both sides of the speaker.  This might hold them.  A better thing would be to get a new baffle cut to the right size.
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: Davey on October 24, 2005, 06:41:07 PM
true, that would be best, but cant get that


i'm gonna get 8 pieces of metal inserts that are welded on a square inch metal plate and then screw that down into the wood. i think it willl hold allright
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: Davey on October 25, 2005, 05:46:26 PM
ok... update.

i got the metal plates today .. bolted those to the speakers, and then screwed the whole thing onto the front.

let them pics do the talkin

(http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/3078/pa2500021mt.th.jpg) (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa2500021mt.jpg)(http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/6278/pa2500057dw.th.jpg) (http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa2500057dw.jpg)(http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/2590/pa2500046rh.th.jpg) (http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa2500046rh.jpg)
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: HJM on October 25, 2005, 06:11:14 PM
Smart move - nice one!
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: Davey on October 25, 2005, 06:14:58 PM
yea.. it pretty much hold them down... properly.

i can lift the whole cab with one of the speakers now if i wanted to lol.

now i just need to put some foam into it and as ben told me, put a foam strip around the front baffle, then wire it up and hit it!
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: Bob Johnson on October 25, 2005, 06:36:51 PM
Davey,  I may have misunderstood your last post but if you check it out I think you'll find that Celestion do not recommend using wadding or foam inside the cab other than to seal the baffle or back..

Cheers.
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: Davey on October 25, 2005, 06:41:38 PM
no?

i was thinking of only puting it on the bottom and left or right side to rectify any sound reflection issues
Title: clip on ,or sodierd
Post by: motormouth on October 25, 2005, 06:54:20 PM
Quote from: Davey
yea.. it pretty much hold them down... properly.

i can lift the whole cab with one of the speakers now if i wanted to lol.

now i just need to put some foam into it and as ben told me, put a foam strip around the front baffle, then wire it up and hit it!

      Try soldiering the speaker wire directly to the tags of the speakers.In my experiance,it has more top end clarity and sizzle.There is an audiable difference,between clip on and soldiered connections.If you choose to,remember to put something that will protect the speaker from falling soldier,if you have minimal experiance.Burnt holes in the speaker dont sound so cool.I used 14 gauge car altinator wire that has a sleave around the wire(used to eliminate hum from the battery to the altinator in automobiles,that you could hear a hum when you speed up and slow down).Funny thing,monster cable makes it to
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: Davey on October 29, 2005, 01:35:59 PM
i was intending to solder the things together.

and it's done!!

no grille yet though.


it realy livened the amp up. before, i had to have realy high trebble to get a decent sound out of it.. when i plugged the cab in i was like WTF!!! i dont remember installing a beehive in there (think worse trebble sound than on kill em all)

when i brought everything down to norml levels, it's realy cool. the ibanez effect realy delivers a good punch and the gain channel of the crate is actualy useable and doesnt sound that bad (harmonics along with dynamics still suck bad)

sooo... i cant wait to get me a proper amp to plug it in and start making my room bigger LOL
Title: got the speakers today =)
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on October 29, 2005, 02:17:24 PM
Sounds cool, Davey!

Can't wait to see the finished product!! Once you get sorted with the new guitar, then you can get a good amp, and you'll be all set!!!!!!
Title: pine cabs
Post by: motormouth on October 31, 2005, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: Davey
i was intending to solder the things together.

and it's done!!

no grille yet though.


it realy livened the amp up. before, i had to have realy high trebble to get a decent sound out of it.. when i plugged the cab in i was like WTF!!! i dont remember installing a beehive in there (think worse trebble sound than on kill em all)

when i brought everything down to norml levels, it's realy cool. the ibanez effect realy delivers a good punch and the gain channel of the crate is actualy useable and doesnt sound that bad (harmonics along with
dynamics still suck bad)
                    sooo... i cant wait to get me a proper amp to plug it in and start making my room bigger LOL
 Them are some really nice looking cabs too!Whoever made them,did an excellent job!You should geyt some monsterous punch,and good sustain.Bareknuckles like killer equipment!They have a mind,all their own