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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Afghan Dave on May 30, 2009, 06:03:18 PM
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(From http://www.nypost.com/seven/05292009/news/regionalnews/ozzys_sour_sabbath_note_171506.htm)
Rocker Ozzy Osbourne is going off the rails against one of his Black Sabbath bandmates.
The "Godfather of Heavy Metal" claims guitarist Tony Iommi illegally claimed sole ownership of the band's name, in a filing with the US Patent and Trademark Office.
Osbourne is suing Iommi for a 50 percent interest in the "Black Sabbath" trademark, along with a portion of Iommi's profits from use of the name.
The Manhattan federal court suit also charges that Osbourne's "signature lead vocals" are largely responsible for the band's "extraordinary success," noting that its popularity plummeted during his absence from 1980 through 1996.
I feel the influence of Sharon here, ride the old man into the grave you money loving whore.
It so sad to see what the Osbourne "brand" has done to what was once great. :shock:
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Actually I thought the guitar riffage was superior to the vocals.
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Sharon is nuts. I think she pushed Ozzy to buy out all rights from the Jake E Lee albums from Jake, what's she going to do to Zakk?
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Ozzy just wants everyone to have a fair share, which I think is fair enough.
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Ozzy just wants everyone to have a fair share, which I think is fair enough.
Ehh? Ozzy doesn't know what he thinks until he asks Sharon....
The Jake E Lee story is another to ad to the remasters where Sharon and the puppet that is Ozzy replaced the rhythm section.
F**K me, is there no respect in that family.
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that is completelly sharon... when will that witch die???
the osbourne name has become a complete joke because of her and now after the success of H&H she wants in on the money, one way or another
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As far as I'm concerned Sabbath will always be Tony and Geezer. Vocalists and drummers may change, but they are Sabbath.
One good thing will come from this. It will be the end of an Ozzy fronted Black Sabbath ever playing again. Which can only be a good thing. A Ozzy/Sabbath tour stopped Tony and Glenn Hughes touring on the back of the Fused album, I'd have killed to see that. That and Ozzy should have retired a long, long time ago. They guy simply cannot cut it anymore. Tony and Geezer however, seem to have loads of life left in them, and what with Dio being some sort of immortal; long live rock 'n' roll.
Sharon, on the other hand, must be stopped.
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I agree this smells of Mrs. Osbourne. She's obsessed with money that cow. I've heard tell of certain contractual obligations about future earnings that the bands touring with the Oz fest used to have to agree on before they're allowed on the bill. It used to be like that, but I've no idea if it still is as I've been out of that circle of friends for while.
Journos who tend to not write their articles in a way Ms. O. would like them written (aka anything that hints of her taking advantage of a husband who is very talented but possibly not overly bright and savy or hinting at "alternative tastes" the couple might enjoy) will face strange obstacles that can be traced back to a certain person who overindulged on botox and face lifts (unkind people even think the hint of a beard is not due to post menopausal hormones but pubes shifting location due to excessive cosmetic enhancements).
Several journalists who had the displeasure to come into contact with her said words along the lines of preferring to share a bed with rattles snakes than being near Ms. O.
Any which way, if you look at her family history, the apple does not seem to fall too far from the tree.
Oh well, there is poetic justice, apparently she does not have very good control over her bladder and bowel movements, maybe she isn't a judge on $hite-Factor anymore because her smell even overpowered the smell of desperation from the contestants and the money Simon smelled from selling them out.
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that is completelly sharon... when will that witch die???
the osbourne name has become a complete joke because of her and now after the success of H&H she wants in on the money, one way or another
Well, you know the old joke that only c--kroaches and Cher would survive a nuclear holocaust, seems Sharon has added enough additives, botox and plastic to join that club.
The only way she's going to die is blood poisoning, she might bite herself by mistake....
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if Sharon behind this- she seems to be "Daddies girl" when it comes to business.
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Sharon don't think she's rich enough yet?
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Ozzy just wants everyone to have a fair share, which I think is fair enough.
Ozzy left (or was kicked out of) the band, Tony kept it going. Through some very tough times, it must be said, while Ozzy was raking in the cash from his (mostly second-rate) solo career.
Ozzy = rolling in money. Tony = NOT. But the Ozz man wants half of it anyway.
I would imagine Ozzy still gets royalties from the albums he was on. Why should he get a single penny from all the albums (and associated merchandise) recorded with Dio, Tony Martin etc (even if "(the band's) popularity plummeted during his absence" :roll: )?
And note that Ozzy (aka Sharon) is suing for a FIFTY percent interest. What about Bill and Geezer? Of course, rhythm sections are irrelevant - as Lee Kerslake and Bob Daisley could tell us. :x
Sharon is an evil $%&#ing monster. And if Ozzy wasn't such a vegetable he might realise it. Stupid old tw@t.
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I am genuinely amazed and impressed by this. If anyone had asked whether my opinion of Sharon Osbourne could be any lower, I would have been certain that the answer was "no, how can you get lower than zero". But here I am, and my distaste for her disgusting attempts to milk every last penny out of anything remotely connected to her meal ticket's career is becoming negative, almost wrapping around into the kind of grudging respect normally reserved for the most audacious criminals.
Almost.
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Ozzy just wants everyone to have a fair share, which I think is fair enough.
OZZY OSBOURNE Suing TONY IOMMI For 50% Interest In BLACK SABBATH Trademark
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They must have to pay more for kelly's trips to london.
don't worry, if i see her again ill abduct her and randsome her back for 50% royalties in all the ozzy records.
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Its quite obvious, reading between the lines of the stories told, that Iommi was the cool kid school who Ozzy desparately wanted to be in with. Now that Ozzy has the cash, he's getting (via Sharon) his own back.
I hate metal - but the new Heaven and Hell album is stonking good - and I have always loved Sabbath's cheap, low skill ethos (ehh, does that mean I actually hate metal? )
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low skill ethos?
the power of the riff compels you.
i need to hear heav'n'hell. i hear there is some cool parapedal use on it.
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clearly this law suit is madness... but it could come off unfortunately - i bet the osbournes have amazing lawyers.
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clearly this law suit is madness... but it could come off unfortunately - i bet the osbournes have amazing lawyers.
I thought Lee Kerslake and Bob Daisley would have been safe but it seems that Sharon's money buys a different interpretation of justice.
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clearly this law suit is madness... but it could come off unfortunately - i bet the osbournes have amazing lawyers.
I thought Lee Kerslake and Bob Daisley would have been safe but it seems that Sharon's money buys a different interpretation of justice.
It's Hollywood law, isn't it? Celebrity seems to buy you a completely different definition of "justice" over there. I was amazed Phil Spector actually got convicted last week.
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clearly this law suit is madness... but it could come off unfortunately - i bet the osbournes have amazing lawyers.
I thought Lee Kerslake and Bob Daisley would have been safe but it seems that Sharon's money buys a different interpretation of justice.
It's Hollywood law, isn't it? Celebrity seems to buy you a completely different definition of "justice" over there. I was amazed Phil Spector actually got convicted last week.
yeah, he got convicted, but now comes the appeal!
the sabbath thing is ridiculous. it does seem like sour grapes, "how dare they go off and play with a different singer and do well!!" . if they hadn't called themselves Heaven & Hell this time, she'd probably be looking for half the money from it too! Ozzy presumably gets a fair share from the albums he was on, filled with songs written by Tony Iommi and Geezer Butler. this woman is simply greed incarnate.
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I'm feeling a little uncomfortable about all this Sharon bashing over this issue (she might need it for other reasons, I can't comment, don't know that much about her... :lol:)
This appears to be about ownership/interest in the trademark "Black Sabbath" (assuming it is trademarked?).
As far as I understand it, that would have no affect at all on song-writing or mechanical royalties - these would continue to be accrued and paid according to the individual contracts everyone signed originally. So, from this understanding, it's not Ozzy claiming a share of income on songs, recordings and past performances he was not involved in.
The ownership/interest in the trademark "Black Sabbath" would be all about two things:
a) who has to give permission before someone is allowed to use that trademark (record an album, go on tour, print a t-shirt, etc...)
b) who gets income from "merchandise" (badges, t-shirts, posters, sex-aids, etc) that takes any advantage of the trademark
I suspect that Ozzy's got the hump about part a), and that the past "income" talked about is part b) only.
If that's the case, then I think he's got a point. (Except, wot about Geezer and Ward... do they all get 50% too? .... perhaps maths isn't a strong point in the various BS camp(s) :lol:)
I could be wrong in my understanding, but we don't seem to have enough facts to be slagging someone off for doing their job?
I'd fully expect my manager to ensure that I got maximum benefit possible from any exploitation by others of my work - the argument here would be, I guess, that Ozzy was involved in establishing the trademark, and that his personality is part of that trademark. Whether this is true or defendable is what a court case would be about - noone's actually made any judgements yet, they're just putting across a point of view that needs to be addressed.
Sharon might not be to everyone's taste, not mine either actually, but if it is her behind it, she's just doing her job... she just has a little extra motivation because she's married to the artiste, but so what?
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You may be right, but I still think since he left the band he shouldn't be entitled to all that (I'm talking morally, not legally!).
Ozzy went, Tony kept the ship afloat. If he hadn't, there might be not be any Black Sabbath merchandise sold any more, 30 years down the line. Ozzy's had his own career.
If Ozzy were to win this case, will it set a precedent? Will all 7,000 ex-members of Guns N'Roses start suing Axl? Maybe all the ex Ozzy band members will sue him, that would be poetic justice.
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Surely if anybody should own it, it shouldn't be Ozzy or Iommi, but it should be Geezer Butler since he came up with the name in the first place.
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Surely if anybody should own it, it shouldn't be Ozzy or Iommi, but it should be Geezer Butler since he came up with the name in the first place.
Ah, thanks for that - I was wondering if it was known who was responsible for coming up with it in the first place.
Also, did Ozzy leave or was he kicked out? I understand it was kinda mutual at the time, but...
There's obviously been bad vibes all the way down the line. Even in the 80s Ozzy obviously felt disappointed/upset by what he felt Black Sabbath were doing with the "legacy" (ma-an! :lol:) - he went and recorded and released "Talk of the Devil" for starters... come to think of it, he was probably expecting the band to all go their separate ways when he left, and start anew like he did, trading on their own names not their collective name, that's probably what's at the heart of this, and it's never been resolved.
As punters, me and my crowd were quite impressed with the Heaven and Hell album, but it wasn't really a Black Sabbath album - it didn't sound like one, look like one, etc, etc. (It sounded like a good Rainbow album! :lol:)
But we accepted it, OK, this is where it's going. Then Mob Rules seemed a bit stodgy to us, and the live album... hmmm... Then Ozzy's Talk of the Devil came out and we were "YEAH" this is what "Black Sabbath" is.
That's just how we felt, a particular bunch of idiots living in Exeter, so personal opinion only... but I'm guessing there's a lot of passion/myth wrapped up in this particular band, and a lot of chance for punters to take differing sides... Personally I'm in the "Black Sabbath is Osbourne/Iommi/Butler/Ward" camp, and to be honest, if we were doing word association, and you said "Black Sabbath" I'd probably say "Ozzy Osbourne", Tony Iommi would only come as an after-thought - but that's just my personal perception and image of what the trademark means.
If there's enough people out there like me, Ozzy's got a point...
But when it comes down to it - this lawsuit thing is just business, sorting something that should have been hammered out a long long time ago... in private... It's a sticky divorce that didn't get done properly and there's still loose ends...
EDIT: All a bit sad really :( (if only they'd had counselling after the Technical Ecstacy sessions and tour :lol:)
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As punters, me and my crowd were quite impressed with the Heaven and Hell album, but it wasn't really a Black Sabbath album - it didn't sound like one, look like one, etc, etc. (It sounded like a good Rainbow album! :lol:)
How very dare you!
Nothing wrong with any of the Dio Rainbow albums!
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:lol:
I like the Dio Rainbow albums as well, that's not exactly what I meant...
... I seem to remember there was at least one @rse Rainbow album out by the time Heaven and Hell appeared - the comparison at the time was "hey it sounds like the Rainbow albums we used to get..."
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I hope you didn't dismiss Down To Earth just because there were a couple of hit singles and Graham Bonnet had short hair! It's a great album, even though the musical style was a lot different from the Dio years.
I admit they started to slide during the Joe Lynn Turner period - they were right to split up when they did...
Still, if Rainbow hadn't carried on after Dio left, what would Yngwie Malmsteen have done for vocalists?
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Surrender? Stone Cold? Street Of Dreams?
I beg to differ!!!
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Surrender? Stone Cold? Street Of Dreams?
I beg to differ!!!
Those were the good ones, no argument! But it's unusual to find rock albums where the singles are the best tracks!
I really like Difficult to Cure, but then on the next album there was poop like "Death Alley Driver" and "Tite Squeeze", and most of Bent out of Shape was pretty lacklustre. It wasn't as good once Roger Glover stopped contributing to the writing, IMO.
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I have to admit guys, that after Down to Earth, I went off the boil on Rainbow, and I'm not actually "au fait" with those albums you mention... :roll:
The main reason is because at that stage I was moving from my initial "NWOBHM" stance (I went country, pop & classical > rock > nwobhm very quickly in the late 70s early 80s, and Ritchie Blackmore featured very big in that transition) to where I ended up at: blues, rock n roll, country and 60s/70s pop.
I missed many things that you guys take as part of your influences just because there wasn't enough time to follow it all and delve back through the 70s, 60s and 50s....
Having said that, all Ritchie Blackmore output is on the list for retrospective acquisition on CD. All the original DP mk II albums are in place, all the Dio Rainbow plus Down to Earth (which I quite like now - I love Graham Bonnet's voice, and I knew about him before he joined Rainbow, he was a Bee Gees protégé in the 60s, have a listen to the Marbles :)). So I need the post DtE Rainbow and somehow I need to figure out which of the later DP albums have the MkII line up on...
I was just saying how "at the time" our little crowd of musos preferred the "Rainbowness" of Heaven and Hell to the Rainbow output at that time... it might be, D&L, that this was actually one of the albums you cite, I can't remember now, but we were all over the place musically at the time, and the polished rock thing just wasn't one of those places... our loss, I guess, but we were young... :lol:
But, back on topic(ish) - for us, Black Sabbath was Ozzy, and, though I've lost touch with most of them, probably still is...
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My view of this whole debacle is simple:
Heaven & Hell is threatening to overshadow Black Sabbath, and more importantly, Ozzy's popularity.
This has nothing to do with money; it's a clumsy grab at the spotlight, done in true Sharon O's "any press is good press, and since it's Ozzy I can make him look like a cak and get away with it" fashion.
Ozzy doesn't need the money, the IP has gone uncontested for decades and Ozzy will not win the suit.
But that's not what this is about. This is about: For every headline Ozzy can grab, it's a by-line for H&H.
Petty? Yes. And so very Sharon!!!!
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Having said that, all Ritchie Blackmore output is on the list for retrospective acquisition on CD. All the original DP mk II albums are in place, all the Dio Rainbow plus Down to Earth (which I quite like now - I love Graham Bonnet's voice, and I knew about him before he joined Rainbow, he was a Bee Gees protégé in the 60s, have a listen to the Marbles :)). So I need the post DtE Rainbow and somehow I need to figure out which of the later DP albums have the MkII line up on...
Sorry for going off-topic again (although we've probably done the Ozzy discussion to death now), but....
No love for Deep Purple MkIII, Andy? I don't think they ever realised their potential (maybe because Blackmore was already losing interest, maybe because the personalities didn't gel), but the Coverdale/Hughes vocal team was awesome. I wish they'd carried on a bit longer.
I've been working my way through all the original '60s/'70s DP releases, waiting for each one to be remastered. Just Come Taste The Band and Made In Europe to go now. I'm not sure if I'll then move on to the reunion albums or all the different live albums... there are so many, it's a bit overwhelming. :?
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No love for Deep Purple MkIII, Andy?
Not enormously Philly - nearly bought Burn a while back, but I listened to my old vinyl and went... "nah, can't be @rsed..."
I don't know what it is, something about Coverdale just doesn't grab me anymore. It used to, I thought those early Whitesnake albums were superb at the time. But last year while I was digitizing my vinyl, I recorded Love Hunter and Ready n Willing... after the run through to record them, I realised it will be another 10 years before I want to hear them again! :lol:
My view of this whole debacle is simple:
Heaven & Hell is threatening to overshadow Black Sabbath, and more importantly, Ozzy's popularity.
This has nothing to do with money; it's a clumsy grab at the spotlight, done in true Sharon O's "any press is good press, and since it's Ozzy I can make him look like a cak and get away with it" fashion.
Ozzy doesn't need the money, the IP has gone uncontested for decades and Ozzy will not win the suit.
But that's not what this is about. This is about: For every headline Ozzy can grab, it's a by-line for H&H.
Petty? Yes. And so very Sharon!!!!
Yeah, that makes perfect sense. (I still don't hold it against her though :D)
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This has nothing to do with money; it's a clumsy grab at the spotlight, done in true Sharon O's "any press is good press, and since it's Ozzy I can make him look like a cak and get away with it" fashion.
Ozzy doesn't need the money, the IP has gone uncontested for decades and Ozzy will not win the suit.
Definitely a grab to keep him in the news. Have you seen the awful ad on TV? I think it's for Warcraft or some other on line game. Desperation stamped all over it.
Also, I've just bought The Devil You Know - I hope it's good! Interestingly in HMV (not sure if other shops do it) it is listed under H for Heaven and Hell (obviously) but in brackets next to H&H it says Black Sabbath. :?
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She's a f*cking nightmare of a woman. I can't stand her. Most of the X factor plebs who worship her probably wouldn't know who Ozzy is let alone Black Sabbath and he was one lucky f*cker to be in that, lets have it right, but he has made some great music. The poor old thing is not in good shape but she won't stop flogging him to death the greedy f*cking tart.
Her Dad Don Arden was Sabbaths manager and sacked him. Then set a dog on her cos' she was seeing Ozzy.The brothers a loony too, her whole family are mental.
Ozzy try to stab her back in the 80's. It's not hard to see why! :lol:
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Ozzy try to stab her back in the 80's. It's not hard to see why! :lol:
If only he wasnt too wasted to finish the job.