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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Dmoney on June 06, 2009, 05:49:03 PM

Title: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 06, 2009, 05:49:03 PM
and selling my Dual Rec and Gordon Smith graduate.

good idea? bad idea?
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: AdamB on June 06, 2009, 06:34:28 PM
I think there are better high gain heads out there. Unless you've played one and really really want it/prefer it over your Mesa
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: hunter on June 06, 2009, 09:59:48 PM
You gotta get the new one then. I think it's even more awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3yOed7PmYk
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 06, 2009, 11:56:45 PM
i saw that vid.
i didnt realise that was a new one but i like the sound of that vid.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: hunter on June 07, 2009, 07:19:50 AM
Yeah the 20th Anniv. editions of Shiva, XTC and Ueber all have major changes.

For the Ueber I think it's KT88s instead of EL34s, a completely redesigned "Clean" channel and a reworked Master section.

Some more here (inc  Rafael Moreira) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fFJUFLaKnA
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 07, 2009, 10:30:43 AM
im into the master controls.
looks a little bit for versatile than the older uberschall
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: AdamB on June 07, 2009, 10:40:25 AM
These new ones sound very interesting :)
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Adam.M on June 07, 2009, 11:29:59 AM
They are quite heavy, so remember to bend at the knees.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: morgasm on June 07, 2009, 12:36:15 PM
have you considered the VH4?
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: AdamB on June 07, 2009, 01:37:03 PM
They are quite heavy, so remember to bend at the knees.

Haha! Yes Dad
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 07, 2009, 03:08:03 PM
have you considered the VH4?

nope. VH4 is a bit much.
i like my amps quite simple
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: morgasm on June 07, 2009, 08:10:09 PM
fair enough
ive heard great things about the uberschall

Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 07, 2009, 08:59:49 PM
same here, thats why i want to give it a go.
im waiting to hear back about the newer one.

Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 07, 2009, 09:21:41 PM
the Uber was great when I tried it, but I liked the VH4 much more and didn't think it was a complicated amp - very easy to dial in and much more versatile.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 08, 2009, 11:31:35 AM
I think less is more when it comes to amps.
hence why i like my avenger. single channel, no loop, in and out.
a good 2 channel amp would be fine. i was thinking splawn but im not so sure really.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: hunter on June 08, 2009, 11:37:57 AM
I think less is more when it comes to amps.
hence why i like my avenger. single channel, no loop, in and out.
a good 2 channel amp would be fine. i was thinking splawn but im not so sure really.

Do you need the second channel or the loop?

Otherwise I'm not sure it's gonna get much better than your Soldano - at least I was all over the Avenger when I tried it once.

An Ueber is way cool though, I have to admit :O)

What about some other options, like a Diamond Nitrox?
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 08, 2009, 11:44:52 AM
I have been interested in the Diamond amps. there is a place in london that has a spec op and maybe a phantom.
I've not tried either but i think they were VERY pricey. probably because they are for sale in central london.

the soldano is awesome. I'd just like something could do cleans maybe, that isnt as 'tricked out' as my dual rec. Does that make sense? maybe im just getting a taste for something new, i want that excitement of getting a new amp :S
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: hunter on June 08, 2009, 11:47:10 AM
I have been interested in the Diamond amps. there is a place in london that has a spec op and maybe a phantom.
I've not tried either but i think they were VERY pricey. probably because they are for sale in central london.

the soldano is awesome. I'd just like something could do cleans maybe, that isnt as 'tricked out' as my dual rec. Does that make sense? maybe im just getting a taste for something new, i want that excitement of getting a new amp :S

The Nitrox is 1599GBP at Hartnoll: http://www.hartnollguitars.co.uk/products.asp?id=4489
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 08, 2009, 11:52:32 AM
cheers!
thats not a bad price.
must be the spec op ive seen in london looking at the prices.
have you played a diamond head?
ive seen vids on youtube, the premier guitar ones, but thats all.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: hunter on June 08, 2009, 11:57:12 AM
cheers!
thats not a bad price.
must be the spec op ive seen in london looking at the prices.
have you played a diamond head?
ive seen vids on youtube, the premier guitar ones, but thats all.

Not played one myself yet, but it's on the list for amps to try :O)
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: MDV on June 08, 2009, 12:20:57 PM
FWIW I dont like them. Too dark, flubby and muddy. They also sound cr@p at low volumes. I like them with an OD infront, but still not as much as other amps.

The VH4 is all the heaviness the uber is cabpable of and far more, but with clarity. Lots of clarity. Very dry though, dont know if thats your thing.

The nitro is reportedly the same sort of deal as an uber, but "better" (I havent seen much elaboration on that - I plan to try one out).

If you like a darker high gain sound, VHT or gayette or whatever they are now are very good. SigX and deliverance are good starting points (the latter especially if you like simple amps).
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 08, 2009, 12:26:52 PM
thats one concern, how dark its meant to be. ive read people saying they run the uber with the bass knob all the way down. seems a bit silly to me to have to do that.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: MDV on June 08, 2009, 12:45:32 PM
Its not so much the magnitude of the lows, which isnt as extreme as its reputation might suggest, but the voicing (again with the VH4 - it has if anything more, but its hard to make it sound muddy, where I found it hard to make the uber sound clear). It has no control over the lows, they just blubber about the place, and the bass is bass, low mids and some mids. The controls are a bit odd in that the presence is a mid sweep control, mids are mids and treble is treble. However, that means lacking a real presence you cant dial in the clarity that so many of its settings lack. The treble is really dull as well, to my ears.

The ubercab on the other hand is a force of nature. Love that thing; my powerball shines through it. Even better with k100s instead of t75s.

Oh, small disclaimer - my play time on the uber was with my Legra MDV602 when it had a C-Pig in the bridge, and tuned to drop B. So the guitar was hardly shy on low end, but on the same day with the same cab in the same place in the same room the VHTs and powerball sounded great - heavy as $%&# AND clear.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 08, 2009, 12:52:28 PM
hmmm
i would like the clearness.
the newer uber has a master bass control which sounds like it might remedy some of the mud.

wonder if there is an uber in london...
my marshall cab is kind of a faux ubercab. doesnt have K100's though.

Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: MDV on June 08, 2009, 01:00:37 PM
Yeah, I'd definitely recommed you play through one first.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: morgasm on June 08, 2009, 09:02:40 PM
before you do anything read this. hope its useful

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=38953

great review, also covers another bogner, a VH4 and a herbert. enjoy
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: DeanS on June 09, 2009, 04:19:12 PM
What about a Splawn Nitro? In fact any Splawn really as I can get downtuned mayhem tones with my Competition.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 09, 2009, 04:23:32 PM
ive emailed Scott a couple of times in the past, like when i was going to give up on Soldano, and I sent some questions recently about the "mk2" quickrod and it looks like i've been completely ignored. not a big deal, but it doesnt make me want to use his stuff. the Nitro or Super Comp is something i've thought about.

in a totally comedy fashion, the fact rich ward uses splawn puts me off a lot, and the i hear scott puts bible versus in the amps. I cant play an amp with a bible verse in it. haha
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: nfe on June 09, 2009, 07:32:11 PM
in a totally comedy fashion, the fact rich ward uses splawn puts me off a lot, and the i hear scott puts bible versus in the amps. I cant play an amp with a bible verse in it. haha

He does what?

On further invistigation, I'm quite put off by the mission statement evangelising.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 09, 2009, 07:34:47 PM
there you go!
i dont play god powered riffs
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: MDV on June 10, 2009, 08:25:17 AM
Ewwwwww

I'm all for freedom of religion...and from religion....being in my amp. No splawn for me then; I'd be creeped out by it - I'd have to find the verse and erase it.

I dont care what you do with your imaginary friends, just keep it behind closed doors and between consenting fellow delusional weirdos.
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: ailean on June 10, 2009, 09:41:24 PM
and the i hear scott puts bible versus in the amps. I cant play an amp with a bible verse in it. haha

If that is true (which i find a little difficult to believe), then I find that offensive, if he were to put it on the outside where I can see it and know about and not buy it because of it thats fine, but to hide it away so I might buy it and not know, that's not right. I hope no fanatical non christian ever buys one (or maybe I do).
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Will on June 10, 2009, 09:58:43 PM
Americans can be a bit weird(well, different to us) with religeon tbh, he definately shouldn't put that on export amps alteast
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: Dmoney on June 10, 2009, 10:51:33 PM
this is how i found out...

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:age1hePSh3MJ:acapella.harmony-central.com/archive/index.php/t-1490925.html+splawn+bible+verse&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

was searching one day for gut picks of splawns (which seem to be very rare) and i came across a cached version of a old HC thread (pinch of salt maybe).

its a thread about some guy wanting to see pics from inside a splawn even though he has a Qrod himself.
about half way down are some comments that lead me believe there is some truth in the accusation.
there are some other threads on forums ive seen too with people saying "your missing out on a good thing by being ignorant and not looking past the mission statement/bible versus" stuff
Title: Re: seriously debating picking up an Uberschall
Post by: murraymurray on June 11, 2009, 12:31:49 AM
Woah thats some sick shiz
I thought it was bad enough getting a used 5150 from a church

blimmen americans, as soon as a dude isnt loving god they get called a "left wing liberal f*g loving jack wad"