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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Denim n Leather on June 16, 2009, 11:36:18 PM
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Early this year I upgraded my home recording setup and decided that next year I would be getting another amplifier to complement my Splawn Quick Rod.
While the list kind of increases and shrinks as the weeks go by, it's halfway though the year and time to start assembling the Short List.
My list thus far is as follows:
Komet 19
Komet 60
Bruno Pony 50
Sommatone Outlaw
If anyone owns one of these amps or has any firsthand experience, I would love to hear about it.
Also, if you know of anything that you think is comparable, I would love to know about it.
I have no interest in amps by the following makers:
Cornford
Matchless
Victoria
Carr
Mojave
They just don't do anything for me.
I'm also not interested in anything that is a Dumble clone.
Single channel is fine, wattage isn't too too important. Plexi clones are fine, so long as have some versatility. Don't need reverb.
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Have you tried the new Marshall MG Series? It's got pure analogue tone and built in effects!
I'm happy to help and make some Limp Bizkit or Korn soundclips if you need them.. :lol: (sorry Ben)
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Have you tried the new Marshall MG Series? It's got pure analogue tone and built in effects!
I'm happy to help and make some Limp Bizkit or Korn soundclips if you need them.. :lol: (sorry Ben)
MG15CD is my dream amp. No joke. Kerry King plays it. And Matt Heafy. Serious. And come on.. It has CD In capabilities!!!
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I am impressed by the Sommatone-havent played, but heard live-very class A-ish-
the Egnater Rebel, is it??got a big ravin' review in Guitar World this month by Chris Gill-said it was perfect for studio applications/big tone from little amp-and the price was nice...
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REBEL RULES ! :D
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My list thus far is as follows:
Komet 19
Komet 60
Bruno Pony 50
Sommatone Outlaw
If anyone owns one of these amps or has any firsthand experience, I would love to hear about it.
Also, if you know of anything that you think is comparable, I would love to know about it.
I have no interest in amps by the following makers:
Cornford
Matchless
Victoria
Carr
Mojave
They just don't do anything for me.
I'm also not interested in anything that is a Dumble clone.
Single channel is fine, wattage isn't too too important. Plexi clones are fine, so long as have some versatility. Don't need reverb.
WHat sort of tones/gain levels are you looking for really ? For rhythm or lead mostly ?
What musical style ? For recording/live or both ?
Bit more info would be useful.
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Bogner Shiva
Cornell Plexi18/20 or 45/50
Ceriatone Trainwreck clones
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MJW Orion - best amp in the world.
(http://www.martamp.com/images/orionnew_0509.jpg)
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thats an amp id really like to try out
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I need to try th MJW Orion too, it may replace my King Street Major :? 8)
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Mine is availble for testing, weddings, bah mitzvahs..........
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man. i might make a trip to manc.
this in an amp im really interested in hearing.
ive only read what on the MJW site though, and dont really know much more.
an enigma
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Can't recomend Martins Amps highly enough....I want to try the orion..but scared I like it
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Everyone who's tried it has liked it, and for under £1200 it's a steal. If I could only have one amp out of the ones I've got, and all the ones on the market today, I'd keep my Orion thank-you-very-much.
The benefit of helping out with the amps design I guess, but it's turned out even better than I would have imagined. It covers everything from clean to light crunch to rock to NWOBM tones at anything from living room to gigging volumes.
If you love classic rock and blues, you'll love this amp.
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From the list of amps you mentioned I guess you're looking at an open, plexi type amp for the mid gain and hairy cleans, is this correct? More Plexi than Vox I suppose?
What features are mandatory for you? Loop? Switching options? Wattage?
What would fit your list and is MUST for testing in my opinion:
-XTC100B lol, no I am kidding
serious in my book must be looked at:
-Martin - seems to be real good. Not planning any UK trips right now?
-Blankenship Variplex - Steve Stevens knows what's good and Roy is just amazing! I am friends with him on Facebook and he's a nice bloke too. http://www.blankenshipamps.com/#/products/variplex_series/
-MakoPlex http://www.makoamplification.com/makoplex.html (a bit tighter maybe than you wish for)
-Voodoo V-Plex or one of the new Hex if 25W is enough http://www.voodooamps.com
-Bogner Metropolis or Duende (I played a Metropolis once and it's awesome!) http://www.bogneramplification.com/customshop/MetropolisInfo.php
-Suhr Badger 30? Seems real good! http://www.suhrguitars.com/badger.aspx#30
I disagree with the Shiva. It's clean channel is addictive, but it's clean. No hair to be had there. And the drive channel is more JCM800 with a bit more compression. I would recommend the Shiva as an allround rock amp for anyone who wants to use it for all from Clean to Rock (not metal).
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I disagree with the Shiva. It's clean channel is addictive, but it's clean. No hair to be had there. And the drive channel is more JCM800 with a bit more compression. I would recommend the Shiva as an allround rock amp for anyone who wants to use it for all from Clean to Rock (not metal).
Cool I've never played (or even seen) a Shiva in person. I was under impression that the Shiva was one of Bogner's more "classic British" oriented amp. Didn't realise the cleans stayed clean either.
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It might be a good idea to check out Carol-Ann Tucana and Tone King Metropolitan.
The Metropolitan really got me interested.
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Thanks (mostly) for the (real) replies!
Hunter was closest in his guesses, although I'm not after a specific tone. The Splawn covers modded plexi to modded JCM800 territory. I guess what I'm looking for is something that is a bit darker, thicker sounding, but not sounding modern or 'recto'. NO DUMBLE CLONES, either.
The MJW sounds interesting, as does the Blankenship.
I'm looking for an amp that yes -- will play clean with some hair on it, can be cleaned up with a 5751 if need be, and will not fall apart when I hit it with a treble booster or fuzz.
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For what you're after, you're describing the MJW Orion. I like a slightly darker, thicker sounding amp and the Orion can do that if you set it up that way. It can also scream like a banshee if need be too!
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No Dumble clones... hmm. How about a real one? *grin*
Don't know much about dark amps, not my bag, though I feel that my Carlsbro 60TC is a bit dark.
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Have you thought about Peters?
http://www.petersamplification.com/ (http://www.petersamplification.com/)
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Have you thought about Peters?
http://www.petersamplification.com/ (http://www.petersamplification.com/)
Never heard of 'em. What's your experience with 'em?
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Peters are good stuff, they have some badass highgain tones. But maybe too much in the ballpark of Splawn territory.
Some more for the list:
Wizard Vintage Classic http://wizardamplification.com/vintage.htm
Divided by 13 FTR37 http://www.dividedby13.com/ftr37.html
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I'm not after a specific tone. The Splawn covers modded plexi to modded JCM800 territory. I guess what I'm looking for is something that is a bit darker, thicker sounding, but not sounding modern or 'recto'. NO DUMBLE CLONES, either.
Another maker to check out is Orange - their custom shop stuff. Maybe the OR50 or AD50. I have especially lusted after the AD50 for some time !
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Orange ... check! Thanks.
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Have you thought about Peters?
http://www.petersamplification.com/ (http://www.petersamplification.com/)
Never heard of 'em. What's your experience with 'em?
None, never seen one over here. But a few guys on the rig talk boards rave about them!
It seems like he no longer does 4 amps, but a combined amp where you can pick which of his amps you want each channel to sound like. The clips sound good! :D
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I'm building a SE 5w version of a Komet60 - will post clips when it's done, should scream.
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I'm building a SE 5w version of a Komet60 - will post clips when it's done, should scream.
Can you do a 60w version? :)
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Another maker to check out is Orange - their custom shop stuff. Maybe the OR50 or AD50. I have especially lusted after the AD50 for some time !
Plus 1 to this.
Orange was the 1st thing I thought of when I read this:
I'm looking for an amp that yes -- will play clean with some hair on it, can be cleaned up with a 5751 if need be, and will not fall apart when I hit it with a treble booster or fuzz.
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i haven't tried anything you listed other than cornford (and you said you didn't want that :lol: ). Are you after a mainly clean/vintage-style amp?
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Completely forgot, but right on the money: Germino Amps!
http://www.germinoamps.com/amplifiers.htm (they have a dealer in NY as well)
Edit: there you can also test these brands:
65 Amplifier
Matchless
/13
Two Rock
Valve Train
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/Site/Amplifiers.html
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Nice find, hunter!
Up in the Hudson Valley. Will have to ride out with Phil or borrow a car ...
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What about Koch (cue Johnny MAc and Afghan Dave)
There was a clip of a simple class A amp - think it was the studiotone we all watched on Youtube
May be too low powered for you
Or look at the Cornell Plexi 45/50
Sounds great!
Of course I would say look to the Egnater Mod 50
Then you can have whatever preamp you like
The Twin/Deluxe is great as is the Bassman, although you may like the Vox Module or the COD (California Over Drive) which has a bit of a Boogie vibe, but isn't that gainy. I dont hear the Dumble references people make on that module
On the other hand the Sl is pure Plexi - great stuff
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http://www.swampworksamps.com/
local cat here in Alabama(don't let that scare you..!!) I heard one of his amps..the hellhog..at an amp summit that I was displaying my Boogies at..very impressed-cool cat/good player....figured I would include his link..what the hellhog...!(get it??!!)
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I too second the Egnater mod 50, or the 100 if there's any left. But i remember you saying the Egnaters sounded dark?
The switchable preamps are amazing! There's a few people/companies that do custom mods different to what Egnater and Randall offer too. The possibilities are amazing!
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VHT CL and sig X
SLO100
Bhudda super overdrive
?
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You might want to check out Wizard amps as well.
http://www.wizardamplification.com/index.htm
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You should probably pay a visit to the Musiczoo close to NY
http://www.themusiczoo.com/
But be careful, they have the best selection of badass Charvels on this planet, so make sure you hold on to your ca$h.
They have these brands:
65 Amps
Ark
Bag End
Carr
Cornford
Divided by Thirteen
Duesenberg
Epifani
Falco
EVH
Fender
Fuchs
Gretsch
Henriksen
Koch
Louis Electric
Marshall
Orange
Polytone
John Suhr
SR Technology
Supro
Swart
Trillium
Two Rock
Zinky
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http://www.swampworksamps.com/
local cat here in Alabama(don't let that scare you..!!) I heard one of his amps..the hellhog..at an amp summit that I was displaying my Boogies at..very impressed-cool cat/good player....figured I would include his link..what the hellhog...!(get it??!!)
Very pretty amps!
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You should probably pay a visit to the Musiczoo close to NY
http://www.themusiczoo.com/
They're in Little Neck. I'll have to visit them, too!
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You should probably pay a visit to the Musiczoo close to NY
http://www.themusiczoo.com/
They're in Little Neck. I'll have to visit them, too!
As said, DON'T look at any of their guitars. They have an amazing stock ... *lookingattheskydreamingofsomecharvelorthathamervectorkorina*
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http://www.arkamps.com/Model%20C.html
Coolest amp I've ever seen in my life. Don't care how it sounds - Looks incredible.
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http://www.arkamps.com/Model%20C.html
Coolest amp I've ever seen in my life. Don't care how it sounds - Looks incredible.
I can tell you how they sound from the NY Amp Show: terrible.
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but look pretty
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but look pretty
As pretty as your avatar *lol
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yup
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Thanks for the help thus far.
So, the "must audition" list now includes:
Divided By 13
65 Amps
Orange (vintage one?)
Hiwatt (vintage one?)
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Thanks for the help thus far.
So, the "must audition" list now includes:
Divided By 13
65 Amps
Orange (vintage one?)
Hiwatt (vintage one?)
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Oh yeah, Blankenship. Turns out Rudy's carries them, 65, and Orange, so I can do a decent shootout.
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See if one of the big shops in NYC have one of these
They have so many cool features. The price is irrelevant you need it! :lol:
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That looks like an awful lot of controls, Johnny!
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That looks like an awful lot of controls, Johnny!
Its got 5 channels with midi but the little switches are bright or mid boost cuts. 5 though nice!!
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You gotta be prepared to spend some time playing with knobs if you want to be satisfied with Koch... :lol:
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You gotta be prepared to spend some time playing with knobs if you want to be satisfied with Koch... :lol:
Absolutely. To those in the know, "Koch" and "Knob" are virtually synonymous .
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You should attend this NY amp fest on the 28th:
http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=49742
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See if one of the big shops in NYC have one of these
They have so many cool features. The price is irrelevant you need it! :lol:
What the hell is that thing! that's insane... !
That's no amp, that's SkyNet.
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See if one of the big shops in NYC have one of these
They have so many cool features. The price is irrelevant you need it! :lol:
and some men percieve it's bigger than it actually is
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http://www.swampworksamps.com/
local cat here in Alabama(don't let that scare you..!!) I heard one of his amps..the hellhog..at an amp summit that I was displaying my Boogies at..very impressed-cool cat/good player....figured I would include his link..what the hellhog...!(get it??!!)
Very pretty amps!
...yessir...he is a hard workin' cat from Louisiana...Caaaajun-I am sure he would luv for you to audition one/FWIW, I liked his better than the Orange and Hiwatt amps at our amp shootout-it was chock full of class A /Plexi/Plexi clones,etc...and his stood out in crowd(of course, no amp sounded better than my Boogie Coliseum...huh...huhhhh??whattdiya say???)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sai2LVBzOo amp summit..I cant remember if his stuff shows up or not...hell, we had fun
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See if one of the big shops in NYC have one of these
They have so many cool features. The price is irrelevant you need it! :lol:
I like the look of that!
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Hm, this MARSHA sounds interesting:
http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=49783
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Add a Budda Superdrive to the list and a Two Rock Jet. If you could get a amp with the clean of the Two Rock and drive of the Budda that would be awesome. Plus Budda is made and distributed by Peavey now, which could be considered good or bad. I was talking to them at LIMS and they have employed all the original team who still work on the amps, so I see it as a good thing.
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See if one of the big shops in NYC have one of these
They have so many cool features. The price is irrelevant you need it! :lol:
I've had the misfortune of having to try and sell that ... no, just no. Especially here.. no.
Yes, it has a lot of features, yes the channels sound very nice the first 10 minutes. But there's something about the Koch sound that just leaves me completely cold... I think it's the fact that it doesn't really have any character or something, it's a strange phenomenon and hard to pinpoint. I've never heard of anyone playing with them for longer than half a year... even after raving about it in the first months.
Also I'm dutch .. I would never buy a dutch amp haha. :lol:
By the way: don't get me wrong, I'm a gearhead and love knobs of all kinds! (ahem) But that Koch just doesn't float my boat.
Some suggestions:
The Valve
Rivera
Brunetti (might be a little too much and grainy, but the 059 is a beautifull thing and has very nice features including plexi modes ^^)
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I've never heard of anyone playing with them for longer than half a year... even after raving about it in the first months.
No, Johnny's been fiddling with that Koch of his so long now, I'm surprised it hasn't worn out.
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I've never heard of anyone playing with them for longer than half a year... even after raving about it in the first months.
No, Johnny's been fiddling with that Koch of his so long now, I'm surprised it hasn't worn out.
Hmm, well I've heard of one then. :)
Still don't like them though. :orcass:
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I love the little Hughes & Kettner Puretone
http://www.hughes-and-kettner.com/products.php?mode=prod&id=4
And that Marshall 20Watt head (2061?), also very nice.
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See if one of the big shops in NYC have one of these
They have so many cool features. The price is irrelevant you need it! :lol:
I've had the misfortune of having to try and sell that ... no, just no. Especially here.. no.
Yes, it has a lot of features, yes the channels sound very nice the first 10 minutes. But there's something about the Koch sound that just leaves me completely cold... I think it's the fact that it doesn't really have any character or something, it's a strange phenomenon and hard to pinpoint. I've never heard of anyone playing with them for longer than half a year... even after raving about it in the first months.
Also I'm dutch .. I would never buy a dutch amp haha. :lol:
By the way: don't get me wrong, I'm a gearhead and love knobs of all kinds! (ahem) But that Koch just doesn't float my boat.
May i suggest getting your ears syringed. Its all in the presence knob my friend. :)
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See if one of the big shops in NYC have one of these
They have so many cool features. The price is irrelevant you need it! :lol:
I've had the misfortune of having to try and sell that ... no, just no. Especially here.. no.
Yes, it has a lot of features, yes the channels sound very nice the first 10 minutes. But there's something about the Koch sound that just leaves me completely cold... I think it's the fact that it doesn't really have any character or something, it's a strange phenomenon and hard to pinpoint. I've never heard of anyone playing with them for longer than half a year... even after raving about it in the first months.
Also I'm dutch .. I would never buy a dutch amp haha. :lol:
By the way: don't get me wrong, I'm a gearhead and love knobs of all kinds! (ahem) But that Koch just doesn't float my boat.
May i suggest getting your ears syringed. Its all in the presence knob my friend. :)
Lol, suggest all you want, my ears are fine, I'm not saying they sound bad. I've spent a lot of time with it (I like to know what I'm selling.. unlike some people), and the sound just didn't do anything special for me. It's nice.. but there's no mojo there for me ;) That's all I'm saying.
Everybody to his own right?:) Luckily :)
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See if one of the big shops in NYC have one of these
They have so many cool features. The price is irrelevant you need it! :lol:
I've had the misfortune of having to try and sell that ... no, just no. Especially here.. no.
Yes, it has a lot of features, yes the channels sound very nice the first 10 minutes. But there's something about the Koch sound that just leaves me completely cold... I think it's the fact that it doesn't really have any character or something, it's a strange phenomenon and hard to pinpoint. I've never heard of anyone playing with them for longer than half a year... even after raving about it in the first months.
Also I'm dutch .. I would never buy a dutch amp haha. :lol:
By the way: don't get me wrong, I'm a gearhead and love knobs of all kinds! (ahem) But that Koch just doesn't float my boat.
May i suggest getting your ears syringed. Its all in the presence knob my friend. :)
Lol, suggest all you want, my ears are fine, I'm not saying they sound bad. I've spent a lot of time with it (I like to know what I'm selling.. unlike some people), and the sound just didn't do anything special for me. It's nice.. but there's no mojo there for me ;) That's all I'm saying.
Everybody to his own right?:) Luckily :)
I've not actually tried the Supernova to be honest. I own a Powertone II which I have had for 4 years now and i can't get a bad tone from it. The different BK pups I own all sound so different in through this amp. The normal gain channel can give stunning sounds with the Rebel Yells I have. I was thinking the Supernova would offer the same tones + a few more and have the great feature of having all your favorite tones instantly switchable via a midi controller.
I did try my head through a Marshall cab last year and it was a completely different sounding amp, the Koch cabs have Jenson made speakers, I believe.
Yes each to their own. Tone is subjective, one mans meat ect..
:D
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It's taken about 8 months of looking around and trying out a bunch of amps, but I've found the amp I'll be getting:
http://www.bumboxamps.com/30w.html
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Ben.... not you..... THREADNOMANCY!!
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Ben.... not you..... THREADNOMANCY!!
PDT_008
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Is it one of these ?
12 channel 50w amp.........
(http://www.listingfactoryhost.com/users/funkymunk/eBayAuctions/randallrt503/images/rm12front.jpg)
I nearly had gas seeing this but think I prefer the Egnater and Randall stuff I already have
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MJW Orion - best amp in the world.
Thread hijack, sorry - I've looked at MJW's site a couple times, and it seems he doesn't offer any option for a reverb tank (I mean, else than having a separate reverb in the FX loop) ?
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Have you tried the new Marshall MG Series? It's got pure analogue tone and built in effects!
I'm happy to help and make some Limp Bizkit or Korn soundclips if you need them.. :lol: (sorry Ben)
Im selling a MG 250 if your interested :)
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Interesting name, Bum Box...
Sounds like a disreputable gay disco...
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Interesting name, Bum Box...
Sounds like a disreputable gay disco...
Between a Koch and a bum box - this thread needs Afghan Dave?
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Pronounced 'boom box'.
(http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq33/Phantom_Isle/Cielo.jpg)
Just walked in the door from a recording session and I'm about to pass out, but figured I'd at least post a quick picture of my new amp!
It's a Bumbox Cielo (http://sombrabella.com/bumbox/30w.html) amp. Sounds great and will be a welcome compliment to my Splawn Quick Rod.
(http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq33/Phantom_Isle/QuickRodJuly09.jpg)
The Cielo is a Bassman/JTM style amplifier with the inputs internally jumpered. There are two volume controls which raise the clean and crunchy tones respectively. You can go from total crunch to total clean, or any point between the two (crunch tone with clean note definition on the cleans).
The output of the amp is power scaled so the power amp is always working at full capacity. It runs from 0-30W.
Sonically, the amp sounds REALLY big with a staggering amount of low frequency response. I've only played it through a 2x12 so far, but can't wait to hear it through my full stack. :)
Clips, etc to follow.
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Sounds very nice (and yes I did note the umlaut but I felt like being a touch facetious pulling your leg for a bit, there ;) .)
I'm slightly surprised that as a JTM clone it gets that sort of sound but then again I've never been up close and personal with one.
Only downpoint for me would be the styling but that's not important, really is it?
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Interesting name, Bum Box...
Sounds like a disreputable gay disco...
Between a Koch and a bum box - this thread needs Afghan Dave?
"Oooh... I just lurve Ben's Bumbox"
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I see you're still looking at Vince's picture Dave :harp:
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You might need to buy a hat for the wedding Phil.
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how did you get inside your splawn, ben? that's badass.
EDIT: seriously, though, that cielo sounds nice, powerscaling is a great idea.
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hey, someone down the line mentioned an SLO100? i want to jump on that one, because im a huge soldano fan.. unless anyone here has an SLO (and if you do, i want to hear from you because i want to get a comparison) the next best thing is a hotrod 50+ which im just lucky enought to own..
i bought this amp to do high gain rock. its a simple amp, we're talking a single eq and 2 channel volumes and gains. so you'd think simple rock box that does heavy rock up to metal well..? i thought so, its why i bought it, but it does so much more.
i have the "clean" channel set for the mildest hint of breakup, from here and depending on pedals you can go almost anywhere in the blues to metal range. tubescreamer, you got SRV, good Fuzzface clone ( i recommend an OXFUZZ) you got hendrix, good Big muff style pedal and overdrive for boost and you have gilmore, with my KOT you get the 70's crunchy kinda skynard thing..
set the gain up on the lead channel and you have G&R up to slayer with a good booster and some guitar volume control. my own personal preference is a mega crunchy cantrell thing
other than an SLO i dont want another amp.
this thing loves pedals, great for texture, but doesnt need em. its definitely a crunchy amp as opposed to a smooth amp, but it drips with harmonics.
the only thing to watch out for is the XL mod, mike soldano can't stand it, andneother can i gets a bit flubby at higher volumes, but these guys are great, mike and his chief tech bill have both emailed me about an amp i didnt even buy new. they sent me the instructions and pics for how to remove the XL mod and without this thing sings..