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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: ailean on June 17, 2009, 06:24:44 AM
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who cares?
Arrived at 10:30 last night so no time to play except a quick test.
The top cab is a front loaded V30 and the lower is a rear loaded Hempcone (Tone Tubby). The rear loaded cab is slightly angled which is great because when you sit in front of it you have both sets of drivers aimed at your face.
The cabs seem to complement each other quite well and I can often hear the note seperation between the cabs depending on which is giving the better response. It will be the weekend before we can do a proper try out though.
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I am impressed that you get deliveries at 10.30 at night, what is the world coming to?. You should have cranked it up. As my old Dad used to say, "Sod the neighbours".
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Cool Rich !!
However, I'm thinking .... black grill cloth vs white fur !!! Lol !
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If I remember rightly you don't gig? And have no plans to? I'm going to have to be brutal, and coming from me this may be seen as the pot calling the kettle black, but....
What a complete and utter waste of money
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I kind of agree with Dave, in the friendliest way in saying it.
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I don't think I'd had enough coffee before I typed that this morning - sorry :oops:
I'm turning into 'nfe' ;)
The point I was trying to make is that the rig you have will sound best cranked up, and having it there in a quiet living room is a bit overkill. Well, a lot actually.
Surely a really nice boutique lower powered 1/4 stack or combo would be much better for you?
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Here's the solution: Get a Dr Z airbrake and crank, crank, crank!
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More money than sense, as my ma would say.
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Awesome. If you can afford it, and it makes you happy, then sod the nay sayers and get whatever setup you want!
Looks and I imagine sounds incredible!
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...imagine sounds incredible!
At the volume you can use in a house? Hmmm. Not sure. Attenuators suck tone when you use them to drop volume THAT much...
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Awesome. If you can afford it, and it makes you happy, then sod the nay sayers and get whatever setup you want!
Looks and I imagine sounds incredible!
Looks dynamite no doubt, albiet ridiculous in that size of a room.
But sounds, at 0.01 volume? I suspect not. You're not even tickling the speakers.
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screeeeeeeeew the neighbors!
i play with no attenuator from time to time.
main problem is it makes me windows rattle.
if you have the money then why not? thats what i say. i dont have the money, but meh. if i did, home studio etc maybe. who knows.
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Well, we're all pots and kettles here, and people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones (or undress with the lights on....), but.... I do find the idea of a full-size stack in a living room a bit hard to get my head round.
Still, if it makes you happy! :D
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It's the fact that there's an Orange half stack next it that makes it even more incomprehensible to me.
I have a half stack that I gig about half a dozen times a year which I find is an over-indulgence, but Aileans rig for home use? Sheesh..........
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It's the fact that there's an Orange half stack next it that makes it even more incomprehensible to me.
I have a half stack that I gig about half a dozen times a year which I find is an over-indulgence, but Aileans rig for home use? Sheesh..........
The fact of the matter is, there isn't an alternative.
He loves the Vh4, so unless you can find a 5w amp that sounds like a 4 channel high gain Diezel, this is what there is.
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Well, we're all pots and kettles here, and people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones (or undress with the lights on....), but.... I do find the idea of a full-size stack in a living room a bit hard to get my head round.
Still, if it makes you happy! :D
Correction: Fit ladies who live in glass houses absolutely SHOULD undress with the lights on.
:)
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My god, that is amazing. When can I move in? Your house is becoming amp heaven!
And thanks for keeping the economy afloat :band5:
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is that a plasma or lcd tv next to it?
i doubt a crt would enjoy all those magnets piled next to it.
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is that a plasma or lcd tv next to it?
i doubt a crt would enjoy all those magnets piled next to it.
Neither of those displays are affected by magnetic pull like a CRT! :)
That stack looks GREAT!
I use a 1/2 stack at a MINIMUM when I gig, a full stack if I can get the transportation.
At home -- that rig will break windows. I've played the VH4 countless times and it does need to be cranked to sound its best.
However, to each his own! Enjoy!
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yeah man, i know about the crt's.
im sure there is a youtube vid of someone who hacked a CRT to have speaker inputs controlling the electron guns.
made crazy patterns when he played music into it.
gonna rig up a modded pair of CRT's to your stack? would look cool! maybe. or just make you dead.
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$%&#, overkill or not that looks awesome :D
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Wow. Just wow :D
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If I remember rightly you don't gig? And have no plans to? I'm going to have to be brutal, and coming from me this may be seen as the pot calling the kettle black, but....
What a complete and utter waste of money
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Ok, here is the rationale...
I have 2 heads, I'm intending to keep both of them. Therefore I need 2 cabs if both myself and Sue want to play together.
The Diezel cabs are 8Ohm where the Orange cab is 16 Ohm which means I don't have the full stack option even though I have 2 cabs.
One cab will be going, I'm not keeping all 3, but until I've A/B/C'd them all I don't know which, but the Orange is the most likely for the afore mentioned full stack option.
Sale of other gear plus the Orange will cover most of the cost of the 2nd Diezel cab, so for not much extra cost I have a flexible rig of 2 half stacks or a full stack, with complementary drivers in each cab. Or I can return 1 Diezel for just the cost of shipping it back.
I know that still won't make sense to everyone, but there is some logic there (somewhere).
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You know what makes sense to me?
Keep all three and buy another amp head.
:)
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You know what makes sense to me?
Keep all three and buy another amp head.
:)
This!
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...so for not much extra cost I have a flexible rig of 2 half stacks or a full stack, with complementary drivers in each cab...
And you need this 'flexible rig of 2 half stacks or a full stack' for your living room, right? Two smaller combos wouldn't be more useful and toneful at the volumes we're talking about?
I mean, I rehearse in a twin guitar rock covers band using a 30w combo and a couple of pedals! My home amp is a power-scaled 20w Fender Deluxe.
I just have no comprehension of why you'd want to have two half stacks at home to play though :?
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My home amp is a power-scaled 20w Fender Deluxe.
and I need one of them :x
Persoanlly I think Ailean should go the whole hog and get some of these:
(https://www.psychprog.com/img/img100988.jpg)
I know they're not real!
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My home amp is a power-scaled 20w Fender Deluxe.
and I need one of them :x
That's you and Shobet both then!
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a full stack might be a bit over the top for playing at home but what kind of person needs 25 guitars!!! :P
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a full stack might be a bit over the top for playing at home but what kind of person needs 25 guitars!!! :P
Or well over a hundred *looking at phillking*
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...so for not much extra cost I have a flexible rig of 2 half stacks or a full stack, with complementary drivers in each cab...
And you need this 'flexible rig of 2 half stacks or a full stack' for your living room, right? Two smaller combos wouldn't be more useful and toneful at the volumes we're talking about?
I mean, I rehearse in a twin guitar rock covers band using a 30w combo and a couple of pedals! My home amp is a power-scaled 20w Fender Deluxe.
I just have no comprehension of why you'd want to have two half stacks at home to play though :?
Dave, you have more guitars than many guitar shops - the words pot, kettle and black come to mind :lol:
Th Diezel VH4 sounds absolutely awesome even at bedroom volumes, I've tried one and would love one myself. The fact of the matter is that if he can afford to keep both amps, then why not? The dozen or so guitars that you and PhillyQ have each (at least) are an indulgence too, but thats part of the fun. If money (and space) were no object, I'd have dozens of guitars and amps too, as would pretty much everyone here if truth be told.
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if you can do.... (id buy a shite loada unessesary gear thats way to good for my ability if i had money and space.... so would u all as HTH said..... ) so if you can then why the hell not, enjoy it :lol:
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Dave, you have more guitars than many guitar shops - the words pot, kettle and black come to mind :lol:
Th Diezel VH4 sounds absolutely awesome even at bedroom volumes, I've tried one and would love one myself. The fact of the matter is that if he can afford to keep both amps, then why not? The dozen or so guitars that you and PhillyQ have each (at least) are an indulgence too, but thats part of the fun. If money (and space) were no object, I'd have dozens of guitars and amps too, as would pretty much everyone here if truth be told.
Guitars are different. You can truly appreciate them at any volume ;)
And for the record I currently have 18 guitars, with 6 up for sale, so I'll soon be down to the dozen.......
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Wow!
That looks amazing!
Few questions...
How do you find the front loaded cab? Not to in your face?
How are the hemp cones? And what the wattage of that cab?
How much were the cabs?
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I'm with the "whatever floats your boat" posse. Persoanlly I think full stacks (have one myself) and half stacks (have one of those too), smaller set up AND combo's are all great. I do gig and will admit that the full stack has only been used twice to date. That said we DON'T mic up our back line if we can help it and so get chance to play reasonably loud. I have tried 2 x 12's, 4 x 10's and 4 x 12's, where ever possible I prefer the 4 x 12 becuase of the depth of sound... I like to feel it.
To the O/Poster.... Good luck to ya... I think it looks great, I'm sure it'll sound even better.
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i think a few people here might be getting a little jealous...?
the vh4 sounds great at any volume i know as i have one lol. i would happily use it at home at low volumes.
the stack looks awesome not sure how u will be adjusting the EQ haha
in any case enjoy it, im sure you will !
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A full stack valve amp at home in the lounge looks cool. Those who pour scorn aren't allowed to do this by their other halves :wink:
Some blokes drop a few hundred grand on cars they don't need.
I think it looks great. I may get an extension for my Koch and join the club.
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:D
The monster on the left of the diezels looks amazed at how big the stack is
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I hope you've upgraded all the locks in your house, haha!
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:D
The monster on the left of the diezels looks amazed at how big the stack is
... the monster is cr@pping itself in case the volume hits 0.5...
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Some blokes drop a few hundred grand on cars they don't need.
And can drive them at more than a metre an hour...
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Some blokes drop a few hundred grand on cars they don't need.
And can drive them at more than a metre an hour...
:lol:
Exactly! It's all about having the right tool for the job. I'm sorry, but a 100w full stack for exclusive use in a living room is totally OTT.
Ailean - join a band and enjoy it properly :D
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I'm sorry, but a 100w full stack for exclusive use in a living room is totally OTT.
You are clearly not metal enough! \m/ ;)
Ailean - join a band and enjoy it properly :D
I do agree with this though. ;)
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To be honest a Blues Junior is too loud for most living rooms - so its not really a question of function, but of what you get. Personally i'd take the mythical low powered Brown twin any day (especially as it never actually existed, so I'd have to get someone to build it for me), but then I'm a Fender sort of guy, I say = enjoy and play together! :D
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Some blokes drop a few hundred grand on cars they don't need.
And can drive them at more than a metre an hour...
True. I agree.
Some blokes drop a few hundred grand on cars they don't need.
And can drive them at more than a metre an hour...
:lol:
Exactly! It's all about having the right tool for the job. I'm sorry, but a 100w full stack for exclusive use in a living room is totally OTT.
I'm not sure it is about having the right tool for the job as most of the tools are all too powerful for home playing. And while a 20w amp may be more suited to home playing it still does not sound like a 100w head. (for those who shout 'solid state' and 'modellers', I don't like 'em, yes they can be impressive, but I still don't like 'em.)
Ailean - join a band and enjoy it properly :D
I'm not up to band standard, but Sue is getting there so it's not beyond imagining that this gear will get used to gig. It will certainly find it's way into a rehersal room at some stage. I'd love to gig, but I'm cr@p, so I'm not sure it will happen.
I've had a Microcube, Peavey Rage 256, Peavey Valveking 112, Tiny Terror, Rockerverb, and VH4. The RV and VH4 blow the others away, and I know they cost a lot more, but the more powerful head just seem to give a much better 'bigger' sound even at low volumes. This is all about enjoyment, yes, I can only use it at 10% of it's power, but the quality of the sound is immense. The additional detailing that comes from the 2 cabs is wonderful (different speakers in each pickign out their own sweet spots).
Also nothing sounds like a 4x12, a 1x12 is not to be considered, a 2x12 gets close, but a 4x12 is what a guitar wants to drive, it's not really any louder, but it does give a bigger more full sound.
Basically it comes down to the fact that *I* think this rig will sound better than a 20w combo or amp/head, and I'm lucky enough to be able to sacrifice the space and money to have it. One day I hope this gear will get a chance to go full bore, but until then it's doing a great job keeping me happy.
I do agree with the points being made against, I really do, and I don't hold it against anyone, but for me the point is that it gives me sounds I like and not that it's overpowered. I'd still buy an Astin Martin and drive it at 70 and enjoy the ride.
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I hope you've upgraded all the locks in your house, haha!
I have guard cats...
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i want the cats!
seriously though, i mean its all up you, i back it though.
dude, as soon as you can play a few chords you are 'band' standard, just depends on what kind of band you want to do. I was in a band before i could even play! (no, not my current band :D)
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dude, as soon as you can play a few chords you are 'band' standard
I completely agree. As long as you can keep time, you can play rhythm for someone :)
Go on, get in a band Ailean. You know you want to, and your playing will come on really quickly :D
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dude, as soon as you can play a few chords you are 'band' standard
I completely agree. As long as you can keep time, you can play rhythm for someone :)
Go on, get in a band Ailean. You know you want to, and your playing will come on really quickly :D
being in a band of even similar standard players could give you a big push man, even if you just meet up in a practice space once every 2 weeks to jam
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I'm not up to band standard, but Sue is getting there so it's not beyond imagining that this gear will get used to gig. It will certainly find it's way into a rehersal room at some stage. I'd love to gig, but I'm cr@p, so I'm not sure it will happen.
Sorry, but this is the biggest pile of horse shite I've read in a while. Forget what you think you know about playing in a band. It's FAR more about how the band members interact and the type of music you write (and don't forget stage presence!) than it is about any one player's technical ability.
Look at me, I'm total sh!t but I a) really enjoy playing in a band and b) see people enthusiastic about our stuff when we play. Sure I'd like to get better (and I'm working on that, slowly), but frankly to write off even the possibility that you could set up a band, write music, and play it live/record it because you think you're not up to some predetermined, arbitrary standard is, frankly, a woeful misjudgement!!!
Stop overanalysing your playing, and start enjoying music. Find some like-minded people who primarily want to make music and have fun doing so, and... ooh wait! A Band! Then never look back at this silly, childish, self-deprecating view!
A truly great guitarist does not a truly great band make.
Roo
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Pure fantasticness
And, yes the VH4 needs to be loud to sound its best
But at practice volumes it still sounds better than the vast majority of other amps - enjoy :D
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A truly great guitarist does not a truly great band make.
Indeed. Vai certainly didn't take Whitesnake or David Lee Roth to the upper heights of world domination........
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A truly great guitarist does not a truly great band make.
Indeed. Vai certainly didn't take Whitesnake or David Lee Roth to the upper heights of world domination........
exactly. and edge made U2 one of the biggest bands in the world. go figure
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I'm sure I read in one of the guitar mags that Marshall had done some research showing 80% of their 100w heads were bought exclusively for home use.
I gig'd a 50w Marshall and 60w Fender, 1×12 valve combos for 12 years and rarely had the volume above 4-5. For home use I have a Cornell Plexi 7, volume is 2-4
IMHO, you only need a 100w stack if you play stadiums but we all have masses of 'stuff' we don't need.
I joined a band when I was 16, I didn't know much music theory. 22 Years latter, I don't know much more :lol:
The rhythm guitarist wrote all the songs and he could only play 5-6 cords. The audience didn't care, they want entertainment not a lecture. My experience (for what it's worth) the folks listening to you will be way more interested in your songs than your playing ability.
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I completely agree. As long as you can keep time, you can play rhythm for someone :)
This is true, but the opposite is true too. It's a bloody nightmare to play with guitarists/bassists with no sense of rhythm. There's absolutely no use trying to explain what's wrong to them. Drummers who speed up are annoying too but I can put up with that. Saying this, I'm hardly a great guitarist either though!
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dude, as soon as you can play a few chords you are 'band' standard
I completely agree. As long as you can keep time, you can play rhythm for someone :)
Sh!t, just as I was starting to feel a bit more confident.... you go and throw that spanner in the works. :(
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being in a band of even similar standard players could give you a big push man, even if you just meet up in a practice space once every 2 weeks to jam
I'm in Hampshire Ailean - I think you are too. I'm always on the look out for someone to jam with and would be up for meeting up with you if you fancy it. I'm not a great gutarist so you can be guaranteed I wouldn't play any flashy stuff!!! PM me if you want to do something.
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Nobody's assessing the point I made earlier.
He likes the sound of the Vh4 - That's the sound of an amp he actually wants. You CAN'T get a 5w Vh4. And he's happy with the sound the Vh4 gives at low volumes.
Ergo there's no problem with him owning it.
Same argument can be given for the stack... He likes it.. He likes how it sounds at low volumes... You can't get a 2x12 that sounds like it... He's perfectly justified in any position on this matter.
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I'm sure I read in one of the guitar mags that Marshall had done some research showing 80% of their 100w heads were bought exclusively for home use.
Yeah, I think it was even higher than that, over 90%
But still... I much preferred the sound of my VH100R on whisper quiet over anything else.
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A truly great guitarist does not a truly great band make.
Indeed. Vai certainly didn't take Whitesnake or David Lee Roth to the upper heights of world domination........
Or Alcatrazz !!! (*tumbleweed*) PDT_008
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A truly great guitarist does not a truly great band make.
Indeed. Vai certainly didn't take Whitesnake or David Lee Roth to the upper heights of world domination........
Or Alcatrazz !!! (*tumbleweed*) PDT_008
I quite like Alcatrazz! I think I prefer the albums with Yngwie or Danny Johnson to the Vai one, though.
Maybe Vai isn't really cut out for being "just" a member of a rock band. That Whitesnale album is utter pish.
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That Whitesnale album is utter pish.
Interesting typo I made there. Possibly quite appropriate, though, at Old Cov's age.
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*on topic*
Well, when i was young i had to gig the worst gear imaginable, tried saving up for a Gibson LP for years but never got it together during my studies. Then when i started working i bought several, only i did not have time anymore to play......
So yes i would think GAS syndrome comes from compensating for the lack of cash as a kid :lol:
*offtopic*
I have Alkatrazz syndrome too....
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Nobody's assessing the point I made earlier.
He likes the sound of the Vh4 - That's the sound of an amp he actually wants. You CAN'T get a 5w Vh4. And he's happy with the sound the Vh4 gives at low volumes.
Ergo there's no problem with him owning it.
Same argument can be given for the stack... He likes it.. He likes how it sounds at low volumes... You can't get a 2x12 that sounds like it... He's perfectly justified in any position on this matter.
I did :) You pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Thank you for all the encouragement, I still lack the confidence (and timing), but maybe I'll set myself a target and it might motivate me.
I'm not up to band standard, but Sue is getting there so it's not beyond imagining that this gear will get used to gig. It will certainly find it's way into a rehersal room at some stage. I'd love to gig, but I'm cr@p, so I'm not sure it will happen.
Sorry, but this is the biggest pile of horse shitee I've read in a while.
no, don't hold back, tell us what you really think :D :D
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So yes i would think GAS syndrome comes from compensating for the lack of cash as a kid :lol:
Could certainly be a factor.... ;)
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100w heads do give more headroom with cleans. When I drop mine to half power the cleans break up easier.
I did think that my amp which is 120w is ott for home use but with an attenuator or in my amps case even without it will still sound great at low volumes. It gives me all the options i need with out having loads of different amps. That was what the engineers had in mind when they designed it.
If you ever fancy an attenuator Aliean, have a look at the Koch one, it has loads of options for recording. Line outs, XLR out, ground loop lift, 1x12, 4x12 simulators with open or closed mic.
I'd go with what the others said about not being too hard on your playing. If you can find some others to jam with this will bring your playing on in leaps and bounds. Then you can crank it up and get some harmonic feedback going. Your think you've died and gone to heaven! Jamming in itself is just so rewarding and great to do. I'm in a studio this weekend with a sax player,another guitarist, a superb bass player and new drummer. Have a look on Gumtree.com for people to hook up with.
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no, don't hold back, tell us what you really think :D :D
You and I both know that's almost certainly a BAD idea ;)
Anyway, you get the gist of it, it's meant in a positive way :)
Roo
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Dave, you have more guitars than many guitar shops - the words pot, kettle and black come to mind :lol:
Th Diezel VH4 sounds absolutely awesome even at bedroom volumes, I've tried one and would love one myself. The fact of the matter is that if he can afford to keep both amps, then why not? The dozen or so guitars that you and PhillyQ have each (at least) are an indulgence too, but thats part of the fun. If money (and space) were no object, I'd have dozens of guitars and amps too, as would pretty much everyone here if truth be told.
Guitars are different. You can truly appreciate them at any volume ;)
And for the record I currently have 18 guitars, with 6 up for sale, so I'll soon be down to the dozen.......
yeah yeah, you're not trying to convince the missus here y'know, ha ha.
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Nobody's assessing the point I made earlier.
He likes the sound of the Vh4 - That's the sound of an amp he actually wants. You CAN'T get a 5w Vh4. And he's happy with the sound the Vh4 gives at low volumes.
Ergo there's no problem with him owning it.
Same argument can be given for the stack... He likes it.. He likes how it sounds at low volumes... You can't get a 2x12 that sounds like it... He's perfectly justified in any position on this matter.
he's a thought to satisfy those who feel that an amp MUST be cranked at somewhere approaching full volume to sound good... get a small class A power amp and run the effects send into it (or line out if it has one) - that way you can run the amp into a small output stage and get things really cooking.
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Im gonna have to agree with everyone else, you should start having casual jams, just with some like minded dudes you can find on a similar levels perhaps? just hang out and drink some beers and rock some tunes. its the quickest way to improve your all around skill i reckon. practicing along to songs or a metronome doesnt motivate you as much as actually working towards something in a band. it seems to be how a lot of dudes here started out, im in the same boat, i dont consider myself a great guitarist by any means, but playing in bands early on lifted my skills heaps. and also it gives me more reason to waste lots of cash on gear rather than taking my girlfriend out to nice dinners :lol:
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Im gonna have to agree with everyone else, you should start having casual jams, just with some like minded dudes you can find on a similar levels perhaps? just hang out and drink some beers and rock some tunes. its the quickest way to improve your all around skill i reckon. practicing along to songs or a metronome doesnt motivate you as much as actually working towards something in a band. it seems to be how a lot of dudes here started out, im in the same boat, i dont consider myself a great guitarist by any means, but playing in bands early on lifted my skills heaps. and also it gives me more reason to waste lots of cash on gear rather than taking my girlfriend out to nice dinners :lol:
I really hope she's not reading this!
I'm lucky in that respect, Sue is more likely to agree to a purchase than stop me. Although maybe that's unlucky?
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I hope you've upgraded all the locks in your house, haha!
I have guard cats...
Hahaha! those are extremely lolcat worthy :D
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i have my vh4 at the studio if u ever want to jam and turn urs up bring it down we'll have a vh4 fest. (free of charge lol)