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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: tomjackson on June 24, 2009, 09:53:57 PM

Title: Buffer pedal
Post by: tomjackson on June 24, 2009, 09:53:57 PM
It's just occured to me that all the pedals I have and all the ones I'm planning to get are True bypass except my delay which is the last in my chain.  So I'm thinking I need some kind of buffer/driver at the front.  It total I'll have 7 true bypass pedals then one non true bypass.

Is there a good and inexpensive buffer pedal you can buy?  Pity my tuner is true bypass or that would have done the job....

£90 for a boost n buff seems a bit much for what I need.
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: indysmith on June 24, 2009, 10:07:14 PM
Boss SD-1?
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: Twinfan on June 24, 2009, 10:18:09 PM
I'd get a new tuner.....
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: tomjackson on June 24, 2009, 10:20:41 PM
Boss SD-1?

Renonwned Tone Sucker I thought?
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: tomjackson on June 24, 2009, 10:23:46 PM
I'd get a new tuner.....

Not had my pitchblack long so gotta keep it.  Need something else to buff :D
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: indysmith on June 24, 2009, 10:29:47 PM
Boss SD-1?

Renonwned Tone Sucker I thought?
Never noticed it to be bad... It's definitely not gonna suck anywhere near as much tone as the capacitance in 6 patch cables :P

My one is an Analogman SD-1/808 though; he may have modded the bypass? Actually the analogman is probably a better shout than the stock SD-1. It's very tasty and versatile...
http://www.analogman.com/boss.htm#SD1
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: Twinfan on June 24, 2009, 10:30:48 PM
I'd get a new tuner.....

Not had my pitchblack long so gotta keep it.  Need something else to buff :D

Ah - didn't realise they were true bypass.  Pants.
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: tomjackson on June 24, 2009, 10:40:53 PM
Boss SD-1?

Renonwned Tone Sucker I thought?
Never noticed it to be bad... It's definitely not gonna suck anywhere near as much tone as the capacitance in 6 patch cables :P

My one is an Analogman SD-1/808 though; he may have modded the bypass? Actually the analogman is probably a better shout than the stock SD-1. It's very tasty and versatile...
http://www.analogman.com/boss.htm#SD1

Yeah it's just the stock one there's a fairly simple fix I believe and yours will definitely have it.  With the stock the controls affect the tone even when bypassed, albeit only slightly...
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: m0jo on June 24, 2009, 11:18:36 PM
I've been looking into this very subject with my 12 pedals of which 9 TB... and very soon I might be replacing my Ibby Weeping Demon for a Dunlop DB01 Dimebag Wah.. so the first buffer will be 5 pedals down the line (in my SD-1).

There's the Toadworks Big Banana, that's 70 quid or something? (100 euro's over here)

But I think I'll be building myself one, the circuits are extremely simple and small!
http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=75&Itemid=26 (http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=75&Itemid=26)
That for instance is a very simple build... It might not be your piece of cake though.

The Visual Sound V2 pedals have very nice buffers, maybe you "need" a compressor or clean boost? :wink:
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 24, 2009, 11:23:12 PM
You could use EMGs and you wouldn't have a problem with your signal getting loaded down.  I'll get my coat...  :lol:

You could always DIY a buffer - you only need a single opamp... http://www.muzique.com/lab/buffers.htm
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: mikey5 on June 24, 2009, 11:36:33 PM
Lovepedal Buffer its a mini pedal and very cheap. proguitarshop.com
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: gingataff on June 25, 2009, 01:22:37 AM
Build one.
Check out this link http://beavisaudio.com/techpages/Buffers/ (http://beavisaudio.com/techpages/Buffers/)
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: Will on June 25, 2009, 11:51:28 AM
Radial do some kind of buffer which is quite cheap
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: tomjackson on June 25, 2009, 12:26:10 PM
Thanks for the suggestions.  Yeah, I do need a compressor but I’m getting the BYOC Armstrong Twin, and guess what, it’s true bypass!  But I want the greenringer side also and it’s cheap.

One of the pedals I’m thinking of getting is the BYOC OD2, if that was at the front of my signal chain could I use the ‘boost’ side to drive the system by having it on all the time at unity gain?  Or would that not address the high to low impedance issue?  i.e. is there a difference between a bufferat unity gain and a boost at unity gain?

My other though was to get the BYOC confidence boost but I’ve read that the opamp is pretty average quality?
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: bewithdennis on June 25, 2009, 12:27:00 PM
how about a roger mayer voodoo axe,great fuzz/distortion and looks after your buffering as well.
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: Brow on June 25, 2009, 12:49:26 PM
how about a roger mayer voodoo axe,great fuzz/distortion and looks after your buffering as well.

I had 1 of these on my my board and it worked very well as a buffer. Didn't like the tone of the fuzz though so I sold it.

Now have a MI Audio Boost N Buff which I got for about £40 - £50 (can't remember) and that works great for going through the 7 or so TB pedals and loop box I have on there :)
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: Will on June 25, 2009, 04:20:27 PM
http://www.tonebone.com/tb-dragster.htm

Would this do the same thing?
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 25, 2009, 07:13:16 PM
Is there a market for buffers? - I really don't find the need for them.  I'd do a small run of them if I thought there was a market.  How much would people pay?
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: tomjackson on June 25, 2009, 10:08:17 PM
Well I suppose there will be a few people like myself who have anded up with all true bypass and need something at the front of the chain but the bufferes I have seen are as expensive as a decent stomp effect with a decent buffer in so in that case you may as well buy the effect, even if you don't really need it.

But, at £40 or £50 and pitched right I think there would be a market, but whether it would be worth making them is a different matter.  Radial must sell some of there's and they are about £100 I think....

Anyway, my problem might be solved as I've borrowed a Trex Compnova I might buy for £65, I think they have good bufferes in from what I hear.

Has anybody tried the Compnova?
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: dave_mc on June 25, 2009, 10:25:07 PM
just to add to what's already been said, if you need/use a noisegate the buffer in the isp decimator is pretty good, and considering it's a noise gate it'd probably be last in the chain... EDIT: just to clarify what I mean, I mean that if you don't already have a noisegate and think that you might need one, the decimator could kill two birds with one stone if you think you need a buffer too.
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: _tom_ on June 25, 2009, 10:28:39 PM
I remember seeing on HCFX forum some guy who just makes little buffer boxes, which werent that expensive. I cant remember the brand though.
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: juansolo on June 26, 2009, 06:53:25 AM
I'm planning to make one for my pedal board. I reckon there's about a tenner in parts there all up and most of that would be taken up by the jack plugs and case. either that or just add it to an existing pedal. I haven't made my mind up yet.
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: HTH AMPS on June 26, 2009, 11:15:30 PM
suppose you could offer a buffer pedal with extras such as dual outputs for feeding two amps - that'd be more useful.
Title: Re: Buffer pedal
Post by: gingataff on June 27, 2009, 01:16:23 PM
suppose you could offer a buffer pedal with extras such as dual outputs for feeding two amps - that'd be more useful.

+1
I'm thinking of building a loop switcher with 2 loops buffered and one unbuffered for fuzz pedals etc.