Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Dmoney on June 26, 2009, 10:38:28 AM
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how clean are the clean, how gainy are the gains.
can it do 'shimmering fender cleans' to 'ultra crunch br00talz'?
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Just to set the scene, I've had the amp about 7 or 8 months now. Mine is the original prototype, and I helped Martin (of MJW Amplification) a little with the spec and voicing. So I guess I'm going to be a little biased as this amp was built with my needs in mind to a certain extent, but Martin has built in the flexibility for it to appeal to a LOT of players.
The amp is powered by KT-66 valves, which was my choice. I'm a big fan of these valves as they're really sweet sounding at all volume levels. An EL-34, in comparison, only sounds really good when cranked up LOUD. Below that, they can be brittle and harsh. A KT-66 is smooth and warm at lower volumes, and has a really sweet distortion when pushed.
The clean channel doesn't do crystal clean at all volumes like a HiWatt or Blackface Fender. It's more like a Tweed Fender as it's always got a bit of hair on it, going up to a good crunch/light rock at higher channel volume settings. Great for blues/blues-rock stuff.
The lead channel is Marshall-y, Hendrix era Plexi-ish tones and AC/DC stuff. Classic rock, basically.
With the boost enganged on the lead channel you can get up to NWOBHM levels of gain, and that kind of ballpark tone too. It won't do modern rectifier scooped mids or that kind of thing. Think of it as a less brittle and harsh JCM800, or a Master Volume era Marshall boosted by a Tubescreamer. It's great for singing rock and early metal leads.
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"NWOBHM" ??? - always wondered what this means.
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"NWOBHM" ??? - always wondered what this means.
New Wave Of British Heavy Metal :)
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"NWOBHM" ??? - always wondered what this means.
101 Rules of N.W.O.B.H.M.
1. The more obscure the better
2. Hearing Metallica's cover of "Am I Evil?" does not make you a NWOBHM fan
3. Without Diamond Head, there would be no Metallica
4. Without NWOBHM, there would be no Thrash
5. Constantly complain that Thrash "killed off" NWOBHM; while secretly liking Thrash
6. When someone asks you what NWOBHM stands for, tell them something like "the best genre of music, ever." Make sure they still don't understand what it means.
7. Iron Maiden after "Killers" is not NWOBHM
8. Complain that Iron Maiden "stole" Bruce Dickinson from Samson, while praising him for his work in IM
9. Dress like you're from the 80s, this includes long unkempt hair, ripped jeans, ripped denim jackets with obscure band patches and an even more obscure band t-shirt
10. Pagan Altar are gods amongst men, this is unarguable
11. Def Leppard really really suck! (Apart from their debut)
12. When forming your own NWOBHM "tribute" band, record your album in the key of A
13. In fact, record your whole career in A
14. Make sure at least one song has the main riff lifted from "2 Minutes to Midnight"
15. Which was CLEARLY a rip-off from "Welcome to Hell" by Venom anyway
16. Ballads must have a clean picked intro, a crushing middle section, followed by a fast outro
17. Only write songs about sex, drugs and rock n roll...
18. And the Devil
19. Never down tune your guitars, ever (unless you're Venom)
20. You're not Venom and never will be
21. Bad production values are a MUST, if it's highly produced, it's not NWOBHM
22. Spend exactly £5.35 on producing your album
23. Did I mention the more obscure, the better?
24. Constantly complain that band X "should've made it big"
25. Complain about bands making it big and going commercial
26. Kevin Heyborne is a living legend, even if he can't keep a stable Angel Witch line-up for more than 5 seconds
27. Two words: WITCHFINDER GENERAL
28. Track down every demo, EP and single of your favourite NWOBHM band; go as far as contacting a former member and conducting an interview with him.
30. Start up a Neo-NWOBHM band...
31. But realize your only fans will probably be in Germany and/or Sweden...
32. And you can't afford to move there...
33. Nor would you want to because then you wouldn't be NWOBHM
34. Major record companies are evil; they killed off every NWOBHM act
35. Only sign with small independent record companies...
36. Or Neat
37. Brian Ross is your idol
38. Anything past 1986 isn't real metal....
39. Unless it's a NWOBHM reunion
40. Deliberately spell your band name wrong: substitute vowels for consonants (mainly y's) e.g. Tygers of Pan Tang, Tytan, Phyne Thanquz, etc
41. Name your band something completely irrelevant to the subject matter you sing about, e.g. Satan
42. Worship Diamond Head, daily, if necessary
43. Talk to mainstream metal fans about your favorite obscure NWOBHM act and tell them they're better than anyone they say (which is right, right?)
44. NWOBHM is the only genre that bad songwriting is acceptable
45. When recording your "live" album (keep in mind rule 21 and 22), dub in a few of your mates drunkenly shouting after every song has finished
46. Constantly remind people that Garage Inc. is far inferior to the original songs (especially the Diamond Head and Blitzkrieg covers)
47. Release your demo as a sleeveless 7" only make 500 copies; that way it'll be obscure enough to be classified as NWOBHM
48. Go to every NWOBHM reunion concert ever, even if they are held only in Germany and/or Sweden
49. High pitched vocals are a must. This is non-negotiable, unless you're Venom (see rule 20)
50. Keyboards are optional, keyboard solos however, are not
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51. Never keep the same line-up for more than one single/demo/EP. Fire someone if you have to...
52. It'll probably be the drummer anyway
53. Motorhead and Judas Priest are not NWOBHM...
54. But they're pretty kickass nonetheless
55. To put your band in good light, tell people you used to perform at the Soundhouse, even if you weren't born in the 60s/70s...
56. They'd probably never find out anyway
57. NEVER under any circumstances give up on your quest for obscurity, no matter how far you dig, there will ALWAYS be a more obscure band out there (see rule 1)
58. Scorn Metallica for stealing Diamond Head's glory...
59. Even though they played together on at least one occasion
60. Lars Ulrich is an ass
61. Barry "Thuderstick" Graham isn't
62. Track down all of Bruce Dickinson's early recordings with Speed, Xero etc...
63. Even though they are pretty average at best
64. In NWOBHM, women are acceptable band members unlike that homo-erotic Thrash malarkey....
65. Keeping in mind rule 12, record a really heavy and fast song in the key of E...
66. Make it a B-side of a lightweight melodic rock song recorded in A...
67. The A-side is intended to get "recognized"
68. Getting recognized and becoming mainstream is not NWOBHM
69. Urchin are not NWOBHM but Dave Murray and Adrian Smith played in them so it's okay
70. There's much more to Holocaust than just "The Small Hours" but their version was better than Metallica's
71. Their version of "Master of Puppets" is also better than Metallica's
72. Bass MUST be audible, but keep in mind rules 21 and 22
73. Twin guitars are a must, this is essential...
74. Unless you're Venom (see rule 20)
75. Record a load of demos, stuff them in a box, break the band up and wait 20 years until "finding" them again, release them as "The Complete Anthology"
76. Instead of recommending the more known NWOBHM bands to interested friends, show them your collection of obscure 7" singles and demo tapes, tell them "you can look but not touch"...
77. No, you haven't listened to them either.
78. The NWOBHM Encyclopaedia by Malc McMillan is your bible...
79. You have it by your bedside table and read it every night
80. Owning a few Iron Maiden albums does not make you NWOBHM...
81. Even if they are self titled and Killers
82. Track down your favorite NWOBHM bands elusive out of print "second album"
83. Realize it's cr@p, but keep in anyway because you just shelled out 100quid for it on eBay
84. Following rule 83, debut albums are ALWAYS a NWOBHM band's best work, this is unarguable
85. You thought I was going to say "unless you're Venom" didn't you?
86. Venom's debut IS their best work, period
87. And possibly the worst produced album, ever
88. Re-release all your albums "remastered" with all your demos and EPs tacked on the end
89. Your debut album must be raw and frantic; your sophomore album must be either hair metal or AOR
90. Your album and/or single cover must be a black and white sketch done by your mate who does art in college (part time, of course) of either your band, the Grim Reaper, skulls, or some valiant warrior on horseback
91. Don't sing about the Grim Reaper, skulls, or some valiant warrior on horseback
92. Following rules 65 and 66, record a cheesy ballad with synthesizers, make it 9 minutes long and release the lot as an EP
93. Paul DiAnno is still cool even if he was fired from Iron Maiden and done precisely nothing since then
94. To preserve your legacy, DON'T record an album, just singles, demos and EP's, this will ensure your place in the NWOBHM hall of fame...
95. After that see rule 75
96. Record all your material in your front room or garage
97. Paradoxically, foreign members are allowed in NWOBHM bands, hell, even full foreign bands can be classified as NWOBHM as long as they played at least one gig in London during the 80s
98. Progressive elements ARE allowed in NWOBHM, unlike that boring Thrash malarkey...
99. Thrash is actually really really cool, even if it is American
100. Remember kids, the more obscure the band, the better they are!
101. Don't take this list too seriously
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:lol:
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i could write a very similar list of rules for black metal...
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That was hilarious DnL :lol: (what's this thread about again?)
I've got a Demon album somewhere (it's got "don't break the circle" on it), and the original Running Free single, with Sanctuary on the back - does that mean I'm still NWOBHM?
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"NWOBHM" ??? - always wondered what this means.
101 Rules of N.W.O.B.H.M.
That was great, but you didn't actually sit and type it all out did you? :lol:
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No, that list is from the Old School Metal Show ... www.nwobhm.net. Philly, of all people, I would've expected you to have read this list already! (Well, you and Feline)
I'm disappointed in you, lad! PDT_008
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To my shame, Ben, I've never seen that site before! :oops:
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Twinfan, is your Orion a head or a combo?
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To my shame, Ben, I've never seen that site before! :oops:
Poseur! :)
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To my shame, Ben, I've never seen that site before! :oops:
Poseur! :)
If I was a poseur, I'd have said "oh yeah, Old School Metal Show, of course, I momentarily forgot due to brain damage sustained when I stuck my head in the bass speakers at the recording of The Witch of Berkeley in 1980"....
:P :wink:
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Ever wish you'd never mentioned NWOBHM? :roll: :lol:
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Twinfan, is your Orion a head or a combo?
You mighta missed this one.
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I did - sorry!
I've got a head and matching 2x12.
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Have you tried it with a half for full stack yet?
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Sorry for the mild take-over of the thread, but thanks to all for the clarification.
It would seem that I'm not NWOBHM at all !
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Have you tried it with a half for full stack yet?
Nope - not had the need to! My chunky 2x12 with Celestion Golds works just fine in Doppleganger :)
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Sorry for the mild take-over of the thread, but thanks to all for the clarification.
It would seem that I'm not NWOBHM at all !
I think we knew that when you asked what it is. PDT_008
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Twinfan,if i remember you had some YTube clips with your Orion,no 8)?It would fit great in this thread.. :guitar4: PDT_002
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I'm a cr@p demo-ist. Sorry :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRlAXqSi82c
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That was hilarious DnL :lol: (what's this thread about again?)
I've got a Demon album somewhere (it's got "don't break the circle" on it), and the original Running Free single, with Sanctuary on the back - does that mean I'm still NWOBHM?
The drummer from Demon owns and works in my local guitar shop and the guy that used to play guitar in the band works there too, wicked guys with a pretty sweet band.
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I'm a cr@p demo-ist. Sorry :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRlAXqSi82c
Sounds damn nice!!!!
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I'm a cr@p demo-ist. Sorry :(
so self depreciating Dave - I've seen far, far worse many, many times. :P
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Cheers guys. you're too kind. I'd like to be a better player than I am...
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I'd like to be a better player than I am...
I think most of us on here would like to be better. Not sure how to define what 'better' means to me though!
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I'd like to be a better player than I am...
I think most of us on here would like to be better. Not sure how to define what 'better' means to me though!
"Better" to me means "not being completely shite". :| :wink:
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I'd like to be a better player than I am...
I think most of us on here would like to be better. Not sure how to define what 'better' means to me though!
"Better" to me means "not being completely shitee". :| :wink:
:lol:
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how clean are the clean, how gainy are the gains.
can it do 'shimmering fender cleans' to 'ultra crunch br00talz'?
Bear in mind that the Orion is a custom built amp, so can be set up to suit requirements. Most things apart from the br00talz bit!
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how clean are the clean, how gainy are the gains.
can it do 'shimmering fender cleans' to 'ultra crunch br00talz'?
Bear in mind that the Orion is a custom built amp, so can be set up to suit requirements. Most things apart from the br00talz bit!
are we talking boosted JCM800 tones?
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I think that's possible....
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What about big fat dirty Doom tones? Matamp/Sunn/Laney Klipp at full tilt vibe?
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Why would ANYONE want that????? ;)
Matamp do that best I think......
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Why would ANYONE want that????? ;)
Matamp do that best I think......
Cause it sounds ACE!!!
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What about big fat dirty Doom tones? Matamp/Sunn/Laney Klipp at full tilt vibe?
I like the old Matamps (or White amps made in Sunderland) for doom with whatever fuzz takes your fancy - a RAT is nice for this.
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I've a fuzz factory, big muff and a D*A*M Meathead (which is the business) so I just need something to run them into. I have the primal wrecking machine sounds covered wth the 6505+ but I needs me a doom amp. But I'd like it to be one I can actually play at home since I don;t have a gigging doom band, just a recording project.
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I've a fuzz factory, big muff and a D*A*M Meathead (which is the business) so I just need something to run them into. I have the primal wrecking machine sounds covered wth the 6505+ but I needs me a doom amp. But I'd like it to be one I can actually play at home since I don;t have a gigging doom band, just a recording project.
$%&# that! There's something deeply wrong when doom is not played at ear-shattering volumes!
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nfe how about a Laney GH50L? Probably not the best thing for home use as its bloody loud but I like it for a bit of stoner/doom metal type stuff.
Dragonaut with GH50L + Keeley RAT (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=493678&songID=6720417) :)
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I do agree, we've had a few rehearsals with a view to gigging and it's LOUD.
Incidentally, if anyone is familiar with Berklee rehearsal rooms in Glasgow, Down were rehearsing in there two weeks ago. My mate was guitar teching for Kirk at the Glasgow and Download gigs so was there. In one of the berklee rooms, which aren't enormous, they were rehearsing with their entire stage rig. So four Orange Rockaverb 100s, eight 4x12s, four SVT IIs and four 8x10s.
That's just silly. Maybe a Diezel stack in your flat is actually subtle :lol:
EDIT: Tom, yeah, Laneys are certainly an option. Ideally I'd just buy a high output Matamp, but there's every chance the doom thing might stay strictly recording only, so I am keen to find something low output, the Laney GHs are good doom amps, but it's still lots of output.
Maybe what I really need is an iso cab...