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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Ian Price on July 02, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
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Just reading up on Gellar, mainly due to the demise of Michael Jackson. I always knew Gellar was, and still is, a total c*ck but this confirms it - he's talking about the dissapearance of Helga Falkas, a Hungarian model, and how he had predicted she wold be found alive and well:
"On Helga Farkas he actually says ‘please can we now move on from the case of kidnapped Hungarian model Helga Farkas, which I was paid to investigate. Yes, I predicted she would be found alive and well. And yes, they may think they are countering this by pointing out that she was murdered by her captors. But it is a matter of interpretation. Why do they restrict readings to this astral plane? Was she not alive and well in another dimension?"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2006/nov/25/2
What a complete t*sser.
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I hate the guy, but I guess I have to give him some credit for balls to spout such cr@p in the media, it much take some effort to say that and keep a straight face. 10/10 for the acting, 0/10 for the material.
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I despise con men like this.
Sure, most people know enough to ignore them and if everyone did they'd just be harmless wackos, but what about Helga falkas parents and the false hope this arse gave them? What about the thousands of others? What about when its "alternative" medicine (i.e. if it were really medicine it would just be "medicine") and people that put faith in it to the exclusion of real treatment? Liars. Gets my $%&#ing goat.
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To be fair though, it's probably better for everyone if the sort of people that believe this hocus pocus nonsense take hocus pocus medicines and die.
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To be fair though, it's probably better for everyone if the sort of people that believe this hocus pocus nonsense take hocus pocus medicines and die.
I would rather it was the people who peddled it who died. There are plenty of insecure people who buy into this sort of nonsense and either turn into absolute wrecks, lose lots of money or die as a result (or all three).
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On Helga Farkas he actually says "please can we now move on from the case of kidnapped Hungarian model Helga Farkas, which I was paid to investigate. Yes, I predicted she would be found alive and well. And yes, they may think they are countering this by pointing out that she was murdered by her captors. But it is a matter of interpretation. Why do they restrict readings to this astral plane? Was she not alive and well in another dimension?"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2006/nov/25/2
What a complete t*sser.
I don't want to spoil the thread, but Uri Geller didn't write that. "A peek at the diary of... " is a pisstake, written by Marina Hyde.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/series/apeekatthediaryof (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/series/apeekatthediaryof)
He is a tosser though. :lol:
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On Helga Farkas he actually says "please can we now move on from the case of kidnapped Hungarian model Helga Farkas, which I was paid to investigate. Yes, I predicted she would be found alive and well. And yes, they may think they are countering this by pointing out that she was murdered by her captors. But it is a matter of interpretation. Why do they restrict readings to this astral plane? Was she not alive and well in another dimension?"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2006/nov/25/2
What a complete t*sser.
I don't want to spoil the thread, but Uri Geller didn't write that. "A peek at the diary of... " is a pisstake, written by Marina Hyde.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/series/apeekatthediaryof (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/series/apeekatthediaryof)
He is a tosser though. :lol:
Thread spoiler! I was just feeling the hate... :D
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I know him quite well. I'll have to show him this thread.
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I don't want to spoil the thread, but Uri Geller didn't write that. "A peek at the diary of... " is a pisstake, written by Marina Hyde.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/series/apeekatthediaryof (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/series/apeekatthediaryof)
He is a tosser though. :lol:
Whoops! Maybe he's not as bad as I thought. I think I will run any new threads past Philly in future!
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I know him quite well. I'll have to show him this thread.
No need, he already knew about its existence, even before it was started.
Whatever happened to David Ike?
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No need, he already knew about its existence, even before it was started.
:lol:
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its my opinon that the mystic/spirtual side of his act is hype for some eleborate stage magic. i don't think hes a tosser, but a performer working on creating some mythology around himself.
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its my opinon that the mystic/spirtual side of his act is hype for some eleborate stage magic. i don't think hes a tosser, but a performer working on creating some mythology around himself.
Anyone who parades around the idea that the supernatural exists in order to get away with some parlour tricks to fleece people out of money is a total bastard.
He's not as bad as US televangelists and TV mediums, but he's a bastard nonetheless.
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its my opinon that the mystic/spirtual side of his act is hype for some eleborate stage magic. i don't think hes a tosser, but a performer working on creating some mythology around himself.
Anyone who parades around the idea that the supernatural exists in order to get away with some parlour tricks to fleece people out of money is a total bastard.
He's not as bad as US televangelists and TV mediums, but he's a bastard nonetheless.
maybe in the 70s and 80s the idea of bending spoons with supernatural forces seemed plausible, i have my doubts though... today its clearly an act, like many other magicians.
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maybe in the 70s and 80s the idea of bending spoons with supernatural forces seemed plausible, i have my doubts though... today its clearly an act, like many other magicians.
For those of us old enough to remember ( :( ), he was hugely famous for a while in the '70s. He was always on the TV, and everybody would be sitting there ready with a pile of cutlery!
A friend of mine's kid brother (called Aidan Kinsella) got on the front page of the South Wales Evening Post because he could do spoon-bending. I don't know if he was consciously cheating, he can't have been more than 7 or 8 at the time.
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I may have shown slightly more vitriol than necessary there, but I'd just had a couple folk I know come into my shop talking about the amazing medium they'd seen last night, and I was raging. :lol:
I still wouldn't piss in Geller's mouth if his teeth were on fire though.
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Why is it that a vast percentage of the population (mainly female, I have to say) will go to see a medium or psychic and come out saying how amazing they were, how they "knew" stuff they couldn't possibly have just guessed, etc... and believe every word of it.
But if those same people meet someone who says they're a Christian, they'll start rolling their eyes and miming "mental" behind the person's back.
It seems like we have an in-built need to believe in some kind of mumbo jumbo that's "bigger" than ourselves. The church has gone into decline, but its place has been taken by fake mediums and celebrity-worship. :roll:
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Whether or not his "powers" are real, he has done well for himself. I have been at his home when he bent a spoon in a way that enabled me to stand slightly behind him. I didn't see any sleight of hand and that in itself was impressive as far as I was concerned as I was watching very closely. The spoon seemed to bend more when he'd placed it on the stone floor but there could be logical reasons for that. All I'd say is that he comes over much better in real life when you are just sitting around chatting but I can understand that people react to him in the way they do. So far as this thread is concerned, I think the only thing that would bother him would be that his name is spelled wrong.
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Thread title now changed!
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I don't want to spoil the thread, but Uri Geller didn't write that. "A peek at the diary of... " is a pisstake, written by Marina Hyde.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/series/apeekatthediaryof (http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/series/apeekatthediaryof)
He is a tosser though.
well spotted, philly, you're on the ball as usual. I didn't think to actually click the link :oops:
regarding gellar- if he has these magic powers, surely he could put them to better use than bending spoons?
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Whether or not his "powers" are real, he has done well for himself. I have been at his home when he bent a spoon in a way that enabled me to stand slightly behind him. I didn't see any sleight of hand and that in itself was impressive as far as I was concerned as I was watching very closely. The spoon seemed to bend more when he'd placed it on the stone floor but there could be logical reasons for that. All I'd say is that he comes over much better in real life when you are just sitting around chatting but I can understand that people react to him in the way they do. So far as this thread is concerned, I think the only thing that would bother him would be that his name is spelled wrong.
The spoons are weakened beforehand - metal fatigue is non-linear; give it ten good bends and it'll still be quite strong, you can bash it on a table side on or give it a look over and a quick test and it'll seem OK. Two or three more big bends and it'll be very weak (enough to bend more under its own weight) or even break. Spoon benders get them to that point and do the last few big bends with lots of little manipulations between the thumb and fingers.
Disclaimer: the numbers of bends given are for illustration purposes only! It may be less or more. I'm off to get a spoon!!
The most charitable thing I can call him is a showman. Really I think hes a disengenuous dishonest manipulative tw@t. There are plenty of guys that do better tricks and dont pretend to have magical powers.
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Yep. Its dead easy.
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I am not going to get into an argument here but I can assure you that on at least two occasions that I have seen, the spoons were definitely not weakened beforehand-I know that for a fact and there were no cameras and media around just him, me and a couple of other people.I am not saying he didn't somehow cheat but if he did, he was very good at it. Having said that, a career built upon spoon bending is in itself truly bizarre and as you suggest, there are others who have a far more extensive and varied act. As far as I am aware, however, no-one goes to see him at gun point, no-one has to watch him or pay to see him perform and therefore if they chose to do so then that is their decision. I have no strong cause here in speaking up for him - I merely say what I have encountered. But then I am totally stupid and gullible of course and therefore you can disregard it all.
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I just hate the fact that he won't give up the pretence, he's been caught out loads of times, but still keeps on about these amazing powers that somehow disappear when he can't manipulate the situation.
If he'd have worked the hype for a while and then come clean then he'd be hailed as a great conjourer, as it is he just looks like an man who has no control over his ego.
Mind you, he's made a shitee load of money, and at least he has started any wars to line his pockets.
Edit: I'll modify my statement a little, I don't hate him, but I do hate his public pretence.
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Well from the first attempt I just did, the fracture line is subtle and you could easily miss it if you werent looking for it, and if the spoon was in any way figured or decorated you might miss it if you were looking for it. And that was a first attempt - I can see easily how someone could get a feel for the resistance of the metal to bending and know when its reached a point where they know they have a spoon that has the best ratio of remaining strength and good appearance to ease of bend/breakability. 10 more spoons and I'd have it to presentable standard (but I dont own ten spoons :lol:). I got the 'very weakened and wobbly looking spoon' thing that he does without any difficulty by just keeping hold of the two broken parts, hiding the break in my fingers.
Seriously, go and try it, if you can bare to lose a spoon or two :D
As to arguing - I dont see theres any reason for that. We all own spoons, and can personally test the spoon bending methods :) Let the spoons do our talking!
(and as to people paying to see him - oh, its voluntary, yeah, but one has to wonder the range of reasons and what it is people want from it out of the many false supernatural mumbo jumbo hes offered over the years ;))
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James Randi on Uri Geller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuaJWLeSmEc).
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I don't dispute your ability to amend cutlery MDV and like I said, I am not going to waste my time defending Uri when he has already been judged and found guilty. I am just saying that I saw at least two bends he did with a spoon that was not treated in the way you say. I am not for one moment suggesting anything supernatural but as I said before, if he did "cheat" then he was damn good at it. I still have a spoon here at home that he bent- which I obtained beforehand and gave to him and I didn't take my eyes off him and stood slightly behind him. It is a desert spoon and fairly heavy (for a spoon). I could have been fooled for sure, I have no explanation for how it was done but I am as certain as I can be that there was no pre bending going on, nor were there chemicals or heat. Any half decent stage magician can replicate what Uri does. I have seen all the Uri "fraud" videos and the James Randi clips. I have discussed it with a very keen amateur illusionist who has also seen Uri "perform".He doesn't believe the supernatural stuff any more than I do and he has his own theory about how he does it but wouldn't tell me but did the same trick and I am blowed if I can work out how but he too didn't do it your way.
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How can you be so sure if you dont try it?
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You are right , it does work. I take back everything I said.
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:drink:
The spoons shall show us the truth!
(Well, repetition of tests and reproduction of apparent results, at least :lol:)