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Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Pierre on November 02, 2005, 12:41:36 AM

Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 02, 2005, 12:41:36 AM
Hey everyone
Right now in my Charvel model 4 I have a FullShred. I love it but it could do with a little more output. I hear the Miracle Man will give me this tight sound right out of the box, so I'm fairly interested. Unfortunately, I also need a bridge Single Coil size humbucker/very high output Single coil with just about the same specs (tight bass, overal tight sound and NO MIDSCOOP!). It'd be to play metal, with a lot of gain (to let you know, I usually use the Soldano SLO model on the POD, with the gain all the way up, with the guitar's 6db midboost all the way up AND the SD1 as a boost  :lol: ). So a true Single Coil would get VERY noisy. I'm thinking something around 16 to 17K (talking about Seymour Duncan output measurements here since I have no experience with other brands).
Now in an ideal world, I'd get the Miracle Man and a Hotrails or Trilogy. However my budget is of 150 euros. A Miracle Man would set me down 90 pounds, and that's 130 euros already.
What do I do? Go for the Seymour Duncans and save up more, or get another pickup for the middle of neck position of either guitars, or get the Miracle Man? Would it be much better than the Custom for what I need? What other alternatives can you guys think of?
I'd be glad to get any help. Thanks guys!
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on November 02, 2005, 01:38:40 AM
Pierre, you KNOW what I'm going to recommend!

Get the MM, you will not regret it. When you have the money, add the Trilogy.

I've done the Duncan thing. You've done the Duncan thing.
Do yourself a favour and step up into a realm you've only imagined!!
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 02, 2005, 01:52:03 AM
You sound like a Walt Disney marketing rep now  :lol:
Fine then... If Mr Bareknucke takes paypal, I'll jump to it. It's my only way to pay :( Thanks!
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on November 02, 2005, 02:19:59 AM
Not sure if Tim is doing Paypal just yet, but you can get the Paypal debit card, and it works just like any other debit card. Just give them the card # and it works just like your debit card, but takes the money from the Paypal.

Perfect for purchases you don't want your wife to know about! ;)
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 02, 2005, 02:55:06 AM
Haha looks like I need a wife now! I'll see how this works. Thanks!
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: HJM on November 02, 2005, 07:16:54 AM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Not sure if Tim is doing Paypal just yet, but you can get the Paypal debit card, and it works just like any other debit card. Just give them the card # and it works just like your debit card, but takes the money from the Paypal.

Perfect for purchases you don't want your wife to know about! ;)


Sneaky...I like it... :lol:
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 02, 2005, 02:52:13 PM
I went to the website to try that but it seems to not be an option for me. I don't have any money on my paypal. And my parents can't send me the cash... I have no idea how I can pay for it :(
Though I listened to some soundclips and I KNOW it's what I need...
Question: how similar would a MM be to a Duncan Custom? Due to payment methods I may be stuck with that only...
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Davey on November 02, 2005, 03:38:52 PM
check the BKP dealers. one might be in your vicinity
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 02, 2005, 03:48:58 PM
There are none, and I can't use cash anyway. I think I'll have to go with the Customs. If I don't like it I could always sell it with the FullShred and be able to afford the MM.
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: steve on November 02, 2005, 03:59:07 PM
It seems a false economy doing it that way,why not be patient and save up for some BK's rather than getting some naff old S.Duncan's that you will change anyway.Bk's will blow the SD's out of the water!!
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 02, 2005, 04:07:37 PM
I have way more than needed. I could go over 150 euros if needed easily. But I can ONLY use paypal (Parents have the cash and credit card. I have neither). That's the only constraint. I know I'll be satisfied with it, but I see no way to pay for it for now :( Getting a second hand SD off someone with paypal is easier in a way. Money really is not the problem.

And you just made me want it even more  :lol:
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on November 02, 2005, 04:14:24 PM
Pierre, you can always paypal me the money, and I can use my Paypal card to pay for the pickups.

Just depends on your comfort level.
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Ratrod on November 02, 2005, 04:17:09 PM
Maybe you can find a dealer that accepts paypal or maybe there's a Miracle Man on e-bay.

Or.....do you have the number of your parents credit card? Including the verification code on the back? (I'm assuming you have permission)
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 02, 2005, 04:20:25 PM
I PMed you Twilight! Thanks a bunch :)
I don't have their credit card details, I just used it through paypal. I don't need one that often. Mostly for guitar tools I have to buy on the net, or things that are way cheaper online. But I think we have a way now :D Thanks for all the nice words everyone.
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Ratrod on November 02, 2005, 04:25:58 PM
Wow Ben!

A friend in need is a friend indeed.
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Peterku on November 02, 2005, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: Ratrod
or maybe there's a Miracle Man on e-bay.

A Bare Knuckle on Ebay??? It's a joke, isn't it? :wink:
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: 38thBeatle on November 02, 2005, 07:48:33 PM
nice one Ben-that was thoughtful of you.
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on November 02, 2005, 08:05:45 PM
Quote from: 38thBeatle
nice one Ben-that was thoughtful of you.

Teamwork!
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Afghan Dave on November 02, 2005, 10:25:37 PM
I just had to chip in..

Cool one Ben, above and beyond the call of duty!

I get a warm felling from this board... ahh

Group Hug? :oops:
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: indysmith on November 02, 2005, 11:07:40 PM
group hug indeed. best board on the net. BKP Brothers.... i just need some BKPs :oops: i know, i know, i'm useless.
Xmas is soon though  8)
Tell us how the MM is pierre!!!
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Brow on November 02, 2005, 11:23:27 PM
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Quote from: 38thBeatle
nice one Ben-that was thoughtful of you.

Teamwork!


He just wanted to convert another 1 away from Duncans  :D  :twisted:
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 05, 2005, 11:39:04 PM
Still not gotten a confirmation PM or email... :(
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on November 06, 2005, 02:45:21 AM
Quote from: Pierre
Still not gotten a confirmation PM or email... :(

After Music Live is over, drop Tim another PM; he probably got swept into the fray of the show.

We traded PMs, and I gave him all the payment info. Money's ready and waiting!
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 06, 2005, 04:55:27 AM
What's MusicLive? And sure, I'll see to it next week then :)
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: indysmith on November 06, 2005, 08:23:58 AM
www.musiclive.co.uk
Its a big music/trade show  8)
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Johnny Mac on November 06, 2005, 03:29:57 PM
Hi Pierre,

I've got a Miracle Man and 2 Trilogy Suites in my Charvel model 6. Yuo will not regret it! They sound fantastic. Ben that was very nice of you! :D
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 10, 2005, 01:08:23 PM
Model 6 = drooooool


I just got it today!!! I'll go and install it right now :D Thanks A LOT to Ben for having helped me get it, and to Tim of course for having made it.
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: TwilightOdyssey on November 10, 2005, 02:32:10 PM
Wow, that was fast!!

I was playing my MM/IT guitar last night. Sounded soooooooo goooooooood!
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Peterku on November 10, 2005, 06:22:12 PM
I hope you'll like it, Pierre. :)

Now you can sell your bed and get some more BKP's for the other positions. :lol: Sorry, I had to... :wink:
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: Pierre on November 10, 2005, 06:59:28 PM
LMAO yeah, I'll do just that. :D

Ok... well, first thing: I didn't find it much more powerful than the FullShred, it's slightly warmer, and I found it had LESS harmonics. They ring, and are very clear, but are harder to get. Also, the pickup is amazingly clear too (which is great). The tightness didn't impress me.


Then Brow made me realise I had wired it wrong (D'OH!). I thought the Black was hot, so I wired it to its switch, and the red was with the bare on the back of a volume pot.
So I wired it correctly (or I hope: red to switch (each pickup has an on/off switch), black and bare together on the back of a pot, green and white left alone in the sleeve they came in) and...


I didn't notice any difference :(
The value on the pots are weird, since they're made to work with the midboost. But the FullShred sure had way more harmonics, so I'd imagin the MM should too? I just don't get what I may have done wrong. Or maybe I did nothing? Help...?
Title: Miracle Man/Trilogy vs Custom/Hotrails
Post by: PhilKing on November 15, 2005, 08:07:11 AM
Hi Pierre,  you would only notice a difference with the red/black switch when you are using it in combination with another pickup.  I have the Miracle Man set and get lots of harmonics, but I have never heard the FullShred so I can't compare it.

One thing with bare Knuckle pickups is that you can place them nearer the strings.  Try adjusting the height and see what happens.