Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: CJ on September 05, 2009, 10:04:34 PM
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just looking into some pickups for my beautiful Dean Z that some of you may have seen. :lol: what i want is a low output pickup that's going to be heavy as hell. i'm going to be running this guitar through my Engl E530, and i've found out from my miracle man and over-wound warpig, that hot pickups into a hot amp isn't the best choice. i'm going to try out a low output pickup this time and see how it goes. i'm not really sure what i want here... i guess my best description would be a low output warpig type pickup. basically just something that will be very heavy when run through a high gain amp. heavy palm-muting, good pinch harmonics, etc.
my first though are black dog's... but what do you guys think?
oh, and i'm not sure which pickups can get which covers, but a battleworn/beaten black pickup cover is a must
thanks fellas.
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Wait...did you say overwound warpig?
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Wait...did you say overwound warpig?
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didn't you have an overwound Miracle Man?
and yes, i did say i have an overwound warpig :D tim made me one that would be a bit more similar to the ceramic warpig, but still with an alnico magnet.
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Ah, one sees. Yeah, its 23k, kieran has it now.
If you go too low I recon you lose the thunk in the low end and the highs get too sharp and tinny. Subject to tuning, guage and EQing of course. Stick in PK/NB territory and you should be happy.
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low gain in Dean Z? maybe i would try riff raffs looking at the posts here
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thanks guys. i just want to try something different. i think i also recall tim having great results with mules going high-gain. i also remember a little while back i was asking tim about a pickup for my ML. i was wanting to get an jon schaffer type tone, real tight and heavy. he suggested a black dog since i was using a high gain amp.
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low gain in Dean Z? maybe i would try riff raffs looking at the posts here
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thanks guys. i just want to try something different. i think i also recall tim having great results with mules going high-gain. i also remember a little while back i was asking tim about a pickup for my ML. i was wanting to get an jon schaffer type tone, real tight and heavy. he suggested a black dog since i was using a high gain amp.
I'd say BD too, if you had a les paul for that
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I have a Black Dog as well now and I would also say it's what you should get.
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thanks guys. how about the lesser mentioned vintage hot pickups? emerald, abraxas? i wouldn't mind having a real unique tone. i figure anything can get heavy if its played through the Engl. as long as it can get some good harmonics and some chunk to it.
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Riff Raff in an LP Custom:
www.myspace.com/chronocide
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I'd say you should err on the side of the higher output pickups in the Vintage Hot range (you can always put the over-wound WP back in there and drop the pre-amp gain, if you don't like it ;) ). Black Dog certainly springs to mind, but bear in mind that this is based on my own experience, and I have a phat baritone with huge strings. With that said, I've dropped the preamp gain on my 5150 from about 7/10 where I used to have it with a MM-loaded ibanez (also in A-E-A-D-F#-B but with 13 gauge strings), and not it's on about 3-4/10 with my black-dog loaded vociferator (baritone, same tuning as above, 14 gauge strings). Work that one out! :D
Roo
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I have a similar problem. The Crawlers in my Yamaha SG are too hot for my Engl Classic Tube's liking.
They're fantastic pickups, they just don't get along with that amp.
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I second the Riff Raff suggestions. Let the amp do all the work :)
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I second the Riff Raff suggestions. Let the amp do all the work :)
Same here.
I must admit though, Riff Raffs and Mules are the only BKP humbuckers I have personal experience of though :lol:. I use my Riff Raffed guitar for my own "metal" (old skool) musings... To me they seem to take whatever I throw at them gain-wise, they're very "clear" and "compact", and can end up sounding quite "modern" to my old ears :D
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I'd say you should err on the side of the higher output pickups in the Vintage Hot range (you can always put the over-wound WP back in there and drop the pre-amp gain, if you don't like it ;) ). Black Dog certainly springs to mind, but bear in mind that this is based on my own experience, and I have a phat baritone with huge strings. With that said, I've dropped the preamp gain on my 5150 from about 7/10 where I used to have it with a MM-loaded ibanez (also in A-E-A-D-F#-B but with 13 gauge strings), and not it's on about 3-4/10 with my black-dog loaded vociferator (baritone, same tuning as above, 14 gauge strings). Work that one out! :D
Roo
That makes sense though. I have the same amp and run my SG with the Black Dog at around 4-5 gain. It's tuned to E standard and has 10-46 strings, so my guess is that the thicker strings make most of the difference.
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so it sounds like riff raffs or blackdogs? i guess i'll do some clip listening now...
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riff raffs work well in explorer types
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For some reason I'd go for VHII's in a Dean Z.
I'd put Riff Raffs in almost every Explorer type guitar but somehow, when I see a Dean Z, I'm thinking VHII's or Painkillers.
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For some reason I'd go for VHII's in a Dean Z.
I'd put Riff Raffs in almost every Explorer type guitar but somehow, when I see a Dean Z, I'm thinking VHII's or Painkillers.
interesting. any special reason? i'd imagine the VHII's have a good harmonic character to them..
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Riff Raff in an LP Custom:
www.myspace.com/chronocide
heavy as $%&#. i like so far.
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Cheers :)
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Cheers :)
how much gain were you using? did you really have to crank it, or is it not a huge difference compared to higher output pickups?
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It's actually Guitar Rig. An emulated Plexi with a Rat in front. Rat gain 2 o'clock and the two amp volumes at about 4 o'clock.
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would you guys recommend a matching pickup for the neck, or does anyone have any different suggestions for a neck pickup? i definitely want something more on the dark/haunting type tone side.
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I run into a Soldano SLO playing funk and hard rock to 80s/90s metal. I have Les Pauls with the Black Dog, Rebel Yell and Gibson 57 Classics and two LPs with P90 pups, in addition to a lot of other (too many) guitars.
The BD and RY are great: enough output to get the saturation you want but not too hot where it's overkill. As noted above, the RY is more modern sounding than the BD due to the boosted mids (that's what I hear). The RY really fills out in a live scene.
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For some reason I'd go for VHII's in a Dean Z.
I'd put Riff Raffs in almost every Explorer type guitar but somehow, when I see a Dean Z, I'm thinking VHII's or Painkillers.
interesting. any special reason? i'd imagine the VHII's have a good harmonic character to them..
It just seems right to me. gut feeling. Maybe it's because of the late seventies / early eighties vibe of those Dean Z's.
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tim suggests i get the guitar strung up and see how it sounds before he makes a recommendation. i guess that shouldn't be a problem. after i finish the guitar it'll be a little while before i get the money for the pickups anyway.