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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Copperhead on September 08, 2009, 11:59:29 PM
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Found a Chadwick single channel, early production run, custom tolex. Marshall style head box. I'll have it in my hands by the end of the week! Pic comin' then.
Been looking for "the one" forever, this one is dead mint and I got it cheap!! :D
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it's the plexi ou jcm headshell?
I got the schematics for it
nice hot rodded JCM 800 project
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Looks like this one, but is dark green leather-ish tolex. 50 watts JMP-ish with two 5881's.
(http://www.gbase.com/files/store_images/gear/2034142/p1_uxc2hcmog_so.jpg)
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This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYXPrba3tqw
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Cool!
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This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYXPrba3tqw
The video was the last production run Chads... The one I got was the first run single channel. Goes from great cleans up to higher gain stuff. Also has a powered loop you can patch and really OD the preamp into the power amp.
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never heard of those, interesting ... congrats!
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Are these Kranks any good...I haven't read up on them or anything, but they seem just like a fairly standard marshall copy, is that fair to say?
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They're the anti-Marshall!!! :lol:
Tony Dow (Tony Krank) of the White Demons, was a popular amp-modder. Started an amp company. Chadwick is an Alan Chadwick design, yeah, fairly Marshall-y. Except it's got 5881's and is very aggressive, and is very awesome clean as well.
The Revolution was Tony's design, very aggressive. Current production Plus models are 120 watts with 6550's. The new 1980 replaces the Chadwick in the lineup. Two 6550's for 80 watts. Very very cool amp.
One day when I have time I'll tell you the Kerry King Krank sig model story...... Bottom line is he never brought the prototype back to Tony, after using it on tour he gave it to Marshall and said "build me this amp"... But that's only half the story!!!!
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One day when I have time I'll tell you the Kerry King Krank sig model story...... Bottom line is he never brought the prototype back to Tony, after using it on tour he gave it to Marshall and said "build me this amp"... But that's only half the story!!!!
Yeah... right... :lol:
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Hahaha
Check your facts my friend. I have a unique perspective on the situation, because I was there......
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They could have gone for an all white cab and called it the KKK.
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LOL!!
That's sort of the joke around the factory......"What the heck would we have called it anyway?....No way could it be the Kerry King Krank..."
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One day when I have time I'll tell you the Kerry King Krank sig model story...... Bottom line is he never brought the prototype back to Tony, after using it on tour he gave it to Marshall and said "build me this amp"... But that's only half the story!!!!
Yeah... right... :lol:
funny...haha.
i dunno man, i dunno what to say to that...
Kerry is famous for using jcm800's right? the KK is an 800 based circuit with a noise gate and a KT88's (something like that right? i tried to find a few schematics but no luck). KT88's are a common mod, and the noise gate is a mod you can get on a few amps. FJA mods do it to 5150's.
In any case, if Kerry had the prototype and decided he'd rather get another company to build him the same amp like you suggest, i have to wonder why he would decided to do that. is there something he didnt like about krank? the amp? the people?
at least it means no Krank amp ever got made with tribal tattoo style graphics on it. i think the combo of sick tribal and krank aesthetics would look like puke.
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Ahhh.... It was the $$$. :lol: Every good cop knows, "Follow the money..."
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Ahhh.... It was the $$$. :lol: Every good cop knows, "Follow the money..."
you mean marshall paid him to steal an amp?
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Now you're putting words in my mouth!! :P
Marshall paid him for his name.
Krank was used as a bargaining chip.
Marshall was not going to make him a sig amp. KK approached Tony and asked him to build him one. (Oh the tales I could tell about that amp!!!)
He loved it, and did a tour with it... then "disappeared."
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Hahaha
Check your facts my friend. I have a unique perspective on the situation, because I was there......
Then enlighten us and don't tell people to "check their facts" when they weren't there.
Because at the moment it sounds as if Krank took Kerry's JCM800 and built him an amp which - surprise - sounded like a JCM800 with a different nameplate? And what then? Kerry went to Marshall and Marshall built him a new JCM800 based on a Krank JCM800-Clone based on Kerry's old JCM800 called "the beast"????
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....that and the fact he is loyal to his Marshalls....
That's the way it goes in the business. I'm sure Marshall did nothing reprehensible. Kerry King was a little underhanded.... but if you're Marshall and KK brings you an amp and says "build me something that sounds just like this or I'm going to endorse Krank" what are you going to do? You're going to tear it apart and find out what makes it tick, and build him his dang amp.
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Because at the moment it sounds as if Krank took Kerry's JCM800 and built him an amp which - surprise - sounded like a JCM800 with a different nameplate? And what then? Kerry went to Marshall and Marshall built him a new JCM800 based on a Krank JCM800-Clone based on Kerry's old JCM800 called "the beast"????
Oooooh feel the love!!!
btw- You have no idea how close you are!
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i dont mean to sound like im putting word in your mouth, i just didnt understand what you meant about money.
and Kerry King can't get a one-off amp from marshall? does he have to have a stock amp? will marshall not mod amps for dudes like that?
I mean, could he not of just asked marshall to mod him an amp? rather than go to krank and back to marshall?
I guess if he got a sig line out of it then he gets more cash, but then i imagine the aim would have been to get that cash via a sig line. If he wanted a modded marshall with KT88's and a Gate he could have gone to a lot of places right? does he use his signature amp live? did he like the tone or was it all about putting his name on a marshall product for money?
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Alex - Sorry to have offended you. In my country when we type "hahaha"..... and use terms like "my friend" it means "I'm kidding around with you" and "I don't mean any harm"....
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i dont mean to sound like im putting word in your mouth, i just didnt understand what you meant about money.
and Kerry King can't get a one-off amp from marshall? does he have to have a stock amp? will marshall not mod amps for dudes like that?
I mean, could he not of just asked marshall to mod him an amp? rather than go to krank and back to marshall?
I guess if he got a sig line out of it then he gets more cash, but then i imagine the aim would have been to get that cash via a sig line. If he wanted a modded marshall with KT88's and a Gate he could have gone to a lot of places right? does he use his signature amp live? did he like the tone or was it all about putting his name on a marshall product for money?
Only KK can answer that for sure, but he really digs Marshall and wanted his own sig line, so it appears as if it was ego + cash for sure.
Reality is, all things being equal, you'd rather have your name on a Marshall than a Krank, right? And if they've got deeper pockets, well that pretty much seals the deal.
PS- no offense taken.
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This makes no sense whatsoever. Kerry is known for using a Noise Gate and EQ with a vintage 2203, surely Marshall approached him and said 'you want more money, we want more money, why dont we just bung them in the box and add KT88's?'
That white Krank looks nice tho, bet it sounds good.
I'd like to try one of the Kerry King Marshalls tho, see if its more mean sounding than my JCM800/Blackstar combo.
Paddy
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who did you offend?
it all seems a bit complex, if he wanted a modded marshall he could have got one, i don't really know why he'd step to marshall and say 'give me a mass produced signature amp' and marshall would complain. does he REALLY need the cash?
talking of signature amps... the Krankenstein Jr... i always wondered if Dime ever played one. his sig is on the front panel right?
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Ha!
Sounds crazy but it's true. The EQ and noise gate on the 2203 is a Tony Dow "invention."
The KK amp is Marshall copying Krank copying Marshall..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ha!
Sounds crazy but it's true. The EQ and noise gate on the 2203 is a Tony Dow "invention."
The KK amp is Marshall copying Krank copying Marshall..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
i like how you used invention loosely. haha.
seriously though, was the stein jr developed while dime was alive?
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Dime never even played the production Krankenstein Series One.... just the prototype!
He had his wall of Revolution Series One dummies, but the only amp blastin' was hiding.
The Krankenstein name and Dimebag sig. business is licensed through his family.
Here's his prototype Krankenstein, the only Krankenstein he played through:
(http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr88/kranktech/photo.jpg)
The JR line was not around at all while Dime was alive.
As a matter of fact, I played the first JR prototype. Tony was really excited about it. It did sound very cool, and I would not have guessed it was 25 watts - very loud!
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aaah
cool.
i just wondered, cos i doubt its just Krank that do that, putting the names of dead musicians on gear they've never played.
I tried to look at the Stein Jr and thought i could make out his sig on the panel, and ive seen the video of him playing an amp @ krank while its being tweaked. so if thats the prototype then whatever. Even if its done through his family, he never played the Jr version of the krankenstein. I just wonder what he would have thought of it, if he would have put his name to it if he was alive... or if any other dead musician would do the same if they were alive. Krank likes making money on sig lines too i guess. just like marshall.
in that video... i THINK there is a part where dime says something like he never thought he could get the high gain tone he used to get from solid state amps out of a tube amp. that he thought tube amps where all... a bit softer... thats not a quote, i think it was the general point he was making... that actually shocked me a bit. I think really high gain tube amps still have better tone that solid state amps doing a similar thing. which made me think... although dime was a rad player, just how much DID he know about his amps, and other amps on the market... you know? he went a while using the same stuff. if it aint broke don't fix it. so seeing that video of him was a bit strange
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Haha...
Never intended for it to be "Krank vs. Marshall".
Krank sells amps, the family makes money....
That's the way it goes in any industry. I wonder how much Dale Earnhardt made last year?
Wonder how much Sublime made in radio royalties?
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in that video... i THINK there is a part where dime says something like he never thought he could get the high gain tone he used to get from solid state amps out of a tube amp. that he thought tube amps where all... a bit softer... thats not a quote, i think it was the general point he was making... that actually shocked me a bit. I think really high gain tube amps still have better tone that solid state amps doing a similar thing. which made me think... although dime was a rad player, just how much DID he know about his amps, and other amps on the market... you know? he went a while using the same stuff. if it aint broke don't fix it. so seeing that video of him was a bit strange
That's the point of the overall Master on the Krankenstein. You can dial up a thin, buzzy Randall kinda tone by turning the Master down a little, and driving the channel master into it. :? Whatever, that's what he wanted...
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I actually like the look of that Krank, the plexi headcase looks good.
Jackson Rhoads V's are a funny endoresement thing too. Floyd Rose, large frets, 1 vol 1 tone whereas I think Randy preferred low wide frets, fender trem, and LP electronics
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im not saying that its krank vs marshall, or that industry is morally squeaky clean,
im just saying its odd to me see gear endorsed by dead people that includes their signatures on it as a graphic. whatever gear that may be. If they were never even alive during the first stages of development. That may be how the industry works but I dont think that means everyone should be 100% cool with it. Obviously money is going to the family, but I just don't see how you can really related a product to a dead person by just putting something as personal as a signature on it.
Krank sells amps partially because of Dime, Krank makes money by selling amps. Do you think Krank would be as popular if Dime never came on board?
apart from that, i just dont see how anyone can really have a problem with kerry if all that story IS true. I think the gate and the Eq is a simple change, and so is the KT88 power section. I think MJW or HTH could mod circuits into any amp to get the same effect. cant be that hard to add and gate and some controls, and maybe even a bypass switch.
If he DID take a jcm800 based krank to marshall to get them to make a jcm800-krank-marshall amp, then i guess thats just how the industry is.
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in that video... i THINK there is a part where dime says something like he never thought he could get the high gain tone he used to get from solid state amps out of a tube amp. that he thought tube amps where all... a bit softer... thats not a quote, i think it was the general point he was making... that actually shocked me a bit. I think really high gain tube amps still have better tone that solid state amps doing a similar thing. which made me think... although dime was a rad player, just how much DID he know about his amps, and other amps on the market... you know? he went a while using the same stuff. if it aint broke don't fix it. so seeing that video of him was a bit strange
That's the point of the overall Master on the Krankenstein. You can dial up a thin, buzzy Randall kinda tone by turning the Master down a little, and driving the channel master into it. :? Whatever, that's what he wanted...
are you a fan of the krankenstein, i must admit, when i saw whatever video it was, i kind of thought...."eeeeeerrr? what is going on? what is dime talking about!". obvioulsy everyone who spends over £1000 on an all tube head wants it to have a 'solid state' sound. hahaha
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No, I much prefer the Revolution. And I really, really like the new 1980.
Well, Dime sought out Krank amps 'cause he was looking for something different. They sent him a Rev and he thought no way is this a production amp, they sent me something custom..... so he apparently he bought a couple retail and was surprised to find that it WAS a production amp.
He then flew in and consulted with Tony. On the front end they added the global master and a little bit of a bright tweak, and added a little gain to the clean channel. A powered loop was added (much needed!) so overall it is very similar to the Rev.
Keep in mind Tony started as a Marshall mod guru, so it's no surprise that KK sent him a couple of Marshalls to work with...
Really is a hilarious story, but I gotta get some work done!! Maybe later...
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Do you know if they are gonna make a Junior version of something like a Chadwick? I like my Krank Rev Jr, I like Marshalls (but they're too big for what I need), I don't want to "downtrade" my Rev Jr for a Marshall Haze though... just wondering if they'll come out with something like that.
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:D :D :D 1980 JR is comin' before Christmas!!!!