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Title: iPod vs Zune
Post by: FernandoDuarte on October 08, 2009, 02:03:26 AM
After buying a Grado SR125 used I'm going to buy a mp3 player... There is some very cheap here, but they're not really good... I was looking for iPod but then I saw this Zune and am thinking if it's good... As it's from Microsoft I'm a little uncertain about, does anyone here has experience with it? Does it works fine?

Thanks!
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: Afghan Dave on October 08, 2009, 02:55:38 AM
No experience with that player but I would buy ANYTHING other than an ipod...

No way an I getting locked into iTunes and one format.

Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: gingataff on October 08, 2009, 03:49:10 AM

No way an I getting locked into iTunes and one format.



What format would that be?
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: FernandoDuarte on October 08, 2009, 06:53:33 AM
Hummm I cannot upload the mp3 form my pc to iPod?? I really need to get them on iTunes? :?
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: shobet on October 08, 2009, 09:28:48 AM
What format would that be?

It will be that propriety MP3 format that everyone is on about. ;)

Let's not mention WMA on windows for being locked to a system or an OS, or the fact that Apple's AAC encoding scheme has way less patent and licence cruft hanging around it's neck than the mess around the patents for MP3 and it's enhancements. AAC also works on other players like the Zune, Walkmans or Ericsson mobiles, just as MP3 does. 

However the DRM ecapsulated stuff that Apple sell their music with does limit you somewhat to what you can play it on. But then again they do offer some DRM free downloads if you chose to purchase them. Those are aimed at iTunes as they have some extra ID tags and album artwork, but you can strip that off to make them playable on other software if you want.

There are alternatives to iTunes for managing your iPod, just a simple google search turned up this - http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/08/10-alternatives-to-itunes-for-managing-your-ipod/
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: Supernaught on October 08, 2009, 11:34:39 AM
Hummm I cannot upload the mp3 form my pc to iPod?? I really need to get them on iTunes? :?

No, you just have to use Itunes to put things on the Ipod.     You can put whatever like on Itunes, it works exactly the same as any other media player.

Ive been using Ipods for about 5 years and never had any problems with Itunes.   I use it for putting stuff on my Ipod and converting files into MP3, which is a godsend.     I dont use it as a media player, but theres nothing wrong with it.

Ipods are capable of playing MP3, AAC, WAV, M4A, MP4, amongst others.   To me, thats not restrictive and Im happy to use them.   Itunes will happily take any of these, as well as being able to convert them into AAC, MP3 etc.

The only reason I can think of for anyone critisising Itunes is for the store/download side of it, with the DRM etc. but as Ive never used the Itunes store or bought any downloadable music  for that matter, Ive not had any isssues with it at all.    Ive got my whole cd collection (500-odd albums) on there, plus quite a few albums Ive downloaded and to me it's ideal.

Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: jibidy on October 08, 2009, 12:06:43 PM
If you've got some nice grado save money on a smaller mp3 player and get a nice cd player (not a portable one)
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: gingataff on October 08, 2009, 01:55:08 PM
If you've got some nice grado save money on a smaller mp3 player and get a nice cd player (not a portable one)
+1

I just bought some new 'phones and tried some Beyerdynamics and Shure, and the shop let me try them with my own iPod.
 The Beyers were very good but they showed how bad mp3s and the iPod's audio really are. The Shures are coloured and not what you'd call hifi but they covered up the weaknesses and in many ways improved the sound.

If possible try to demo a media player with your own headphones before you decide.
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: horsehead on October 08, 2009, 02:20:23 PM
I've got a an old 20GB Zune & it's lovely to use. Very simple interface but you are DEFINTELY locked into their software to transfer music across to it, so in a way it's no worse than iTunes...and I hate iTunes
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: FernandoDuarte on October 08, 2009, 03:31:59 PM
If you've got some nice grado save money on a smaller mp3 player and get a nice cd player (not a portable one)

I was going to buy the SR80, but they were going more than US$100 on eBay and then appeard this SR125 for US$99 AND shipping to Brazil... But it is intented to be used on portable media and not need to listen to these people who put the mobile phone to play mp3 without headphones...

Hummm I cannot upload the mp3 form my pc to iPod?? I really need to get them on iTunes? :?
but as Ive never used the Itunes store or bought any downloadable music  for that matter, Ive not had any isssues with it at all.    Ive got my whole cd collection (500-odd albums) on there, plus quite a few albums Ive downloaded and to me it's ideal.
That was my original question :D I've like 50Gb on a HD that I've downloaded ages ago (and finally could use it, buying a external HD) and am thinking in transger from this drive to iPod, is it possible? I got really surprised with this "only iTunes" because all the other mp3 I've seen you upload the musics from your pc...

And this Zune, can I do it? Or only buying online?
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: Supernaught on October 08, 2009, 05:38:18 PM
You load up Itunes, select "import", select the drive/folder/file you want.    This makes a playlist in Itunes, you then just transfer that onto the Ipod.

Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: FernandoDuarte on October 08, 2009, 05:42:53 PM
hummmm thanks :D  I'm a little computer-retarded :lol:
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on October 08, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
I dont have anyproblems with iTunes or my ipod - in fact I love them both. I dont download from the iTunes store much other than audiobooks and podcasts - I still buy CDs and rip them to the computer and iTuns is fine with that

My iPod has made me listen to more music than ever before as it is so portable, and whilst the quality will be better listening to a CD dierect rather than an MP3 the practicality is what wins out every time

Getting the ACS t3 in-ear monitors has been great as well as the sound quality is fab and the background noise is shut out too
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: tomjackson on October 08, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
I've just got an ipod classic, it's great.  Loads of space, great quality vids and it also plays WAV's which the Zune doesn't.  As my own mixes are usually mixed in cubase at full quality to uncompressed WAV that's a bonus, at least my own tracks can be CD quality or above.
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: noodleplugerine on October 11, 2009, 11:37:55 AM
You're not locked to Itunes anyway, many media players can copy stuff to ipods now, including Winamp, which is the best anyway afaik.
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: Johnny Mac on October 11, 2009, 01:42:18 PM
I'm on my 2nd ipod, an 80G which is nearly full. I love them, they are one of the best inventions for music lovers. Take your all your music, over 10,000 tunes out with you in your pocket. Years ago this was impossible, so whats not to like. itunes is great too.
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: nfe on October 11, 2009, 02:36:47 PM
I'm a big fan of iPods too.

It's a shame I can't get a terabyte one, cause I've loads of music I'd like on it that doesn't fit, but they're still the biggest available, but hell, give them 3 years  :lol:

The only other mp3 player I've had was a Creative Zen, which stalled every two minutes and broke completely in two months.
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: jibidy on October 12, 2009, 03:18:15 PM
If you've got some nice grado save money on a smaller mp3 player and get a nice cd player (not a portable one)

I was going to buy the SR80, but they were going more than US$100 on eBay and then appeard this SR125 for US$99 AND shipping to Brazil... But it is intented to be used on portable media and not need to listen to these people who put the mobile phone to play mp3 without headphones...


I'de say get an ipod then. they are straight up and will do exactly what you need. Though I have found they sound very sterile they can be good with the right cans and they do now accept a few different formats (am I right there?) which is a big +
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: FernandoDuarte on October 12, 2009, 11:26:12 PM
Thanks guys!
And the brazillian oficial Apple store is now working... Just undecide if I get the nano or wait a little more to buy the touch (with games!)
I do travell a lot by bus (my family lives about 200miles away from me and I've a rugby team about 300 miles away from me)
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: MDV on October 12, 2009, 11:52:54 PM
I personally loathe ipods, both the unit, and itunes.

Out of all the mp3 players I've used/spent significant time with - iriver, ipod, iaudio iwhatthehellsiwthputtingiinfrontofeverything, sony, creative zen, archos and one or two more I've forgotten the winners are

cowon iaudio, hands down.

They sound the best (close fight with a couple of sonys though; one discontinued model is actually better imo, but it would be pointless to bore you with that), battery lasts about 60 hours of play time on their standard mp3players, interface with a pc is exactly as though it were a memory stick (I am so never buying an mp3 player that needs any software ever again); you just plug it in and drag and drop, they play most formats (mines a little old now and only wont play mp4 - plays flac and vorbis and the like no bother), has a usefull EQ and other toneshaping kit. Theres no competition really; ipods are a toy by comparison.
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: FernandoDuarte on October 13, 2009, 02:15:29 AM
You got me interested about it... I don't feel very likely on their website (and players) design, but I like this Cowon S9 - it's the only one with 32Gb...  Surprising enough I can buy it from Amazon.com :o
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: Will on October 13, 2009, 10:52:55 AM
MDV, what's your opinion on the Archos? or any of their range, they have have always intrigued me
Title: Re: iPod vs Zune
Post by: MDV on October 13, 2009, 02:58:58 PM
Good luck with it fernando, let us know how you get on with it if you get one!

Will, I wouldnt. They arent offensively bad and dont come with DMR/Adware (itunes) but I'd take creative, sony, iriver and iaudio over archos any day.