Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: HTH AMPS on October 27, 2009, 07:57:47 PM
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I'm GASing for one of these, again... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-BC-RICH-NECK-THRU-MOCKINGBIRD-ST-QUILT-RED-GUITAR_W0QQitemZ220498291315QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item3356b8ea73#ht_11512wt_939
whats the craik with these? - any good or stay clear?
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i know how you feel.
only type of guitar thats tempting me at all lately.
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Well brace yourself for the barrage of people shouting.. "it's not a real Floyd Rose" & "all BC Rich apart from custom shop are cr@p made for Kerry King fan boys"
Well BC Rich HAVE produced some rubbish (Class Axe) and the name does not assure Bernie Rico quality but they can and do produce / licence some very good guitars that scratch a very specific itch.
I wanted a Gunslinger since I was 14 and finally when BC Rich reissued the Retro, I got one.
It is a great guitar, wire and CNC'ed wood, a Dimarzio Super Distortion and an Asian OFR Floyd (ping) that feels a little different to a German but stays in perfect tune just the same.
It may be a Cort/Samick factory product but it is faultless on quality control.
It was an absolute bargain and though it is not Gold Snakeskin from the custom shop it is exactly what I wanted.
I love it and I play it alot...
Go for it... (unless you want this custom from Peter Cooks @ £2499.00)
(http://www.petercooks.co.uk/Images/BCMB.jpg)
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Well brace yourself for the barrage of people shouting.. "it's not a real Floyd Rose" & "all BC Rich apart from custom shop are cr@p made for Kerry King fan boys"
Well BC Rich HAVE produced some rubbish (Class Axe) and the name does not assure Bernie Rico quality but they can and do produce / licence some very good guitars that scratch a very specific itch.
I wanted a Gunslinger since I was 14 and finally when BC Rich reissued the Retro, I got one.
It is a great guitar, wire and CNC'ed wood, a Dimarzio Super Distortion and an Asian OFR Floyd (ping) that feels a little different to a German but stays in perfect tune just the same.
It may be a Cort/Samick factory product but it is faultless on quality control.
It was an absolute bargain and though it is not Gold Snakeskin from the custom shop it is exactly what I wanted.
I love it and I play it alot...
Go for it... (unless you want this custom from Peter Cooks @ £2499.00)
(http://www.petercooks.co.uk/Images/BCMB.jpg)
Here here, I got the Retro Blade Gunslinger. Fantastic guitar. stays in tune just as wel as my Carvin and plays/sounds great.
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love the old mockingbirds
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I'm not much of a metaller, but I like that. Lovely finish, the red with the neck-through stripes.
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very GNR(http://www.33rebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/slash-signature-model-close-up.jpg) and love this one (http://www.gear-vault.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/40th-mockingbird.jpg)
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(http://www.33rebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/slash-signature-model-close-up.jpg)
thats what I'm talking about 8)
there are some older Rico ones floating about on the US ebay - will be keeping my eye out for something suitable.
oh, btw, I'll be selling my Epi Korina Explorer (with EMGs) to help with the GAS fund. its a cracking guitar, just doesn't feel right strapped-on, though is excellent for playing at home (where I use it all the time). its a great player and sounds fat as hell, just can't get used to the way it hangs on a strap.
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pics of exporer and how much
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Too many knobs! :(
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i always thought they looked nice, but have never managed to find one to try. :(
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i always thought they looked nice, but have never managed to find one to try. :(
Likewise. I've said many times I love the Mockingbird shape, but you so rarely see them "in the flesh" and I just wouldn't buy blind without at least knowing what the neck's like. So I suspect they'll only ever be GAS-objects for me.
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I'd love a mockingbird exotic classic in natural finish. just a dead classy guitar that could be used for anything. Unfortunately I already have two double humbuckered, fixed bridge Gibsons at home...
...$%&# it, i'll get one someday.
Paddy
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Too many knobs! :(
you can never have too many knobs to play with
er... what they all do?
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I've always wanted that particular model of MB. The only problem is.... I swear it used to be £375 from Dolphin. It seems to have nearly doubled in price post-credit crunch :(
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i always thought they looked nice, but have never managed to find one to try. :(
Likewise. I've said many times I love the Mockingbird shape, but you so rarely see them "in the flesh" and I just wouldn't buy blind without at least knowing what the neck's like. So I suspect they'll only ever be GAS-objects for me.
This is exactly what I feel/think about it. And I've got the same thing going on with the original Rhoads........
There are some never-ending GAS-production-guitar around ! :twisted: .
This Mockingbird is one great guitar !
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I read many good things about these.
It will benefit from some work on the fret edges and a pro setup.
Since it is an 'import' guitar, I'm not convinced the pickups and electrics are the greatest.
I'd like a 'real' one some day or maybe a Japanese NJ.
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I read many good things about these.
It will benefit from some work on the fret edges and a pro setup.
Since it is an 'import' guitar, I'm not convinced the pickups and electrics are the greatest.
I'd like a 'real' one some day or maybe a Japanese NJ.
the pickups and electronics are rarely ever good enough on any guitar I've bought, so new pots, switches, jacks and pickups are par for the course.
I went into Newcastle today and could only find those cheap Kerry King Vees. Looks like I might have to locate somewhere specialising in them and make a visit.
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Too many knobs! :(
you can never have too many knobs to play with
er... what they all do?
the mini-toggles give you phase, then coil taps for each pickup. the chickenhead knob is a varitone like on the old ES-355 Gibsons. finally, the knobs are just two volumes and a master tone. simples! :lol:
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Likewise. I've said many times I love the Mockingbird shape, but you so rarely see them "in the flesh" and I just wouldn't buy blind without at least knowing what the neck's like. So I suspect they'll only ever be GAS-objects for me.
yeah, and considering how many bc rich haters there are around, especially for the cheaper models, i'd want to try it first just to make sure they aren't right! :lol:
I've always wanted that particular model of MB. The only problem is.... I swear it used to be £375 from Dolphin. It seems to have nearly doubled in price post-credit crunch :(
oh wow. yeah, i don't think i want one any more. I was half-willing to entertain one when they were around £350 or so...
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yeah, and considering how many bc rich haters there are around, especially for the cheaper models, i'd want to try it first just to make sure they aren't right! :lol:
I had once a BC Rich Warlock, I think Bronze series (was the cheapest one)... Well, the block of FR was made of such cr@ppy material that it braked everytime I changed strings... Was my 1st FR guitar and since then I hate FR...
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I bought a bc rich WMD warbeast last year and I love it. It's around the £400 end of things. I've never had a problem with the floyd rose. The neck is gorgeous and the electrics have been fine so far. The pickups are not bad but they don't have the loveability that my holy diver has. So this week I'm getting a pair of warpigs for it.
People worried the hell out of me before I got it saying it would just be bc rich typical cr@p. When I saw some sub £200 bc rich stuff I could quite agree. But this was a £450 guitar that I got from a bc rich dealer in Lancashire for about £375.
I couldn't be happier with my buy.
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http://www.instruments2go.co.uk/BC-Rich-Mockingbird-ST-Guitar-p-2605.html
one thing to bear in mind with the decent quality bc guitars is that stock is usually cr@p in most places and you will probably have to wait a while for it. Also I think they only put the rockfield pups in the nicer guitars so I think the fact they are in the one you are looking at points to that guitar being pretty good :)
oh yeah, one more thing. The price of my guitar has gone up by over a ton since I bought it!
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the only BC Rich i've ever played was a USA Warlock, quite some years ago. it is also one of the absolute best guitars i've ever played! of course, that has little, if any, bearing on the far eastern guitars.
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i always thought they looked nice, but have never managed to find one to try. :(
Likewise. I've said many times I love the Mockingbird shape, but you so rarely see them "in the flesh" and I just wouldn't buy blind without at least knowing what the neck's like. So I suspect they'll only ever be GAS-objects for me.
This is exactly what I feel/think about it. And I've got the same thing going on with the original Rhoads........
There are some never-ending GAS-production-guitar around ! :twisted: .
This Mockingbird is one great guitar !
I saw a couple in a shop today and gave them a quick grope. The neck is quite slim (slimmer than an Edwards LP for example) but still rounded, not flat on the back like some shreddy types can be *cough*Caparison*cough*.
I hope that helps.
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Too many knobs! :(
you can never have too many knobs to play with
er... what they all do?
the mini-toggles give you phase, then coil taps for each pickup. the chickenhead knob is a varitone like on the old ES-355 Gibsons. finally, the knobs are just two volumes and a master tone. simples! :lol:
never heard of this varitone before so I gave it a google/youtube, interesting idea, is this basically the same as sticking a graphic EQ after the guitar and cutting one of the frequencies?
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I saw a couple in a shop today and gave them a quick grope. The neck is quite slim (slimmer than an Edwards LP for example) but still rounded, not flat on the back like some shreddy types can be *cough*Caparison*cough*.
I hope that helps.
It does, thanks! I've had a go on Afghan's Gunslinger, and I'd describe the neck on that as a fairly skinny D shape (IIRC). But I didn't really expect the neck-through models to be the same.
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Too many knobs! :(
you can never have too many knobs to play with
er... what they all do?
the mini-toggles give you phase, then coil taps for each pickup. the chickenhead knob is a varitone like on the old ES-355 Gibsons. finally, the knobs are just two volumes and a master tone. simples! :lol:
Close but there are a couple more controls - I have an 82 Mockingbird, and it has the 4 mini toggles, one full size toggle, 3 knbos and a varitone. 2 minis are coil taps and the third is phase (this is missing on some of them - see earlier pictures), the 4th (or 3rd) mini toggle (above the varitone), is pre-amp on-off. Large toggle is a 3 way pickup selector, front control is a marter volume, back control is a master tone, middle control is pre-amp volume. Depending on the age of the guitar, the varitone is either a tone control, or a preamp tone shaper.
see this: http://www.bcrich.com/images/schematics/lrg_electronics.jpg
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I was Gassing for a Mockingbird for ages, but couldnt find anywhere that close that had decent stock and didnt want to risk an internet purchase. Luckily i found an Iceman instead-Gas cured(for now!)
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I also get Bich 10-string GAS from time to time.
Fascinating guitar.
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I also get Bich 10-string GAS from time to time.
Fascinating guitar.
yeah, I'd love to try one of those.
I had a look round in Newcastle and no BC Rich's to be found 'cept some shitety budget Vees in Guitar Guitar.
Still on the lookout for one though - will have to make a special trip to somewhere that stocks BC Rich gear - might just be less hassle to get a train to Kings Cross and visit some London shops.
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they had a lot of bc rich down denmark street a while ago, but i havent seen anything interesting lately.
i remember going in and seeing one of these... after i saw the band 108. Vic uses one, or one similar to this. I know of a guy from margate who has one also that played in a band called The Break In. Seemed like everyone was getting into these a while back, then they disappeared. they look REALLY nice. I remeber A1 Music in preston had these real cheap ones in crazy neon colours, but this thing looks classy. one of my favorite looking guitars i think.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/warmitag/My%20Gear/Armitage_BC-Rich-Mockingbird.jpg)
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that one above looks really nice, but I'm pretty sold on the cherry red colour.
I'm undecided on whether to go hard-tail or floyd. never had a trem guitar for, err, its probably more than ten years - I seem to recall selling an Ibanez that was the same shape as the Satch guitar before it was Satch's signature model. was a nice guitar, but I was 100% into Kossoff and Muddy Waters at the time and was really left cold with widdly-widdly playing at the time.
I'm gonna have to play a floyd version and a hard-tail version side by side before I know what is best for me. I might not like either, had to say at this point - never played one.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/theonlywarlock/87881_800.jpg)
This is my fave among the Mockingbirds (apart from flat black).
At less than 400£ it is also ridiculously cheap at Thomann: http://www.thomann.de/gb/bc_rich_mockingbird_exotic_koa.htm (http://www.thomann.de/gb/bc_rich_mockingbird_exotic_koa.htm)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/theonlywarlock/87881_800.jpg)
This is my fave among the Mockingbirds (apart from flat black).
At less than 400£ it is also ridiculously cheap at Thomann: http://www.thomann.de/gb/bc_rich_mockingbird_exotic_koa.htm (http://www.thomann.de/gb/bc_rich_mockingbird_exotic_koa.htm)
hmm, ain't seen those - they look tasty.
I REALLY need to find somewhere to try these out.
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anyone know the deal with these Caliber series Mockingbirds made in Czech Republic?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BC-RICH-CALIBRE-RED-MOCKINGBIRD-GUITAR-DIMARZIO-PICKUPS_W0QQitemZ360201373093QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item53ddacc5a5#ht_9984wt_1165
build quality and woods seem better than the current Korean ones, but the logo seems suspicious - are these actually BC Rich guitars or just the same shape?
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also, never one to miss an opportunity for some Slayer - here's Kerry King playing a Mockingbird...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=443t5ahxC-w&feature=related
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anyone know the deal with these Caliber series Mockingbirds made in Czech Republic?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BC-RICH-CALIBRE-RED-MOCKINGBIRD-GUITAR-DIMARZIO-PICKUPS_W0QQitemZ360201373093QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item53ddacc5a5#ht_9984wt_1165
build quality and woods seem better than the current Korean ones, but the logo seems suspicious - are these actually BC Rich guitars or just the same shape?
Yeah, they're real BC Rich guitars. The price point was between the top-end Korean models and the US ones.
All Schaller hardware, DiMarzio pickups, they look really good but they didn't make them for very long - which suggests either the profit margins were too tight or there were QC issues. It's hard to find any reviews of them, not many people seem to actually own one!
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anyone know the deal with these Caliber series Mockingbirds made in Czech Republic?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BC-RICH-CALIBRE-RED-MOCKINGBIRD-GUITAR-DIMARZIO-PICKUPS_W0QQitemZ360201373093QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item53ddacc5a5#ht_9984wt_1165
build quality and woods seem better than the current Korean ones, but the logo seems suspicious - are these actually BC Rich guitars or just the same shape?
Yeah, they're real BC Rich guitars. The price point was between the top-end Korean models and the US ones.
All Schaller hardware, DiMarzio pickups, they look really good but they didn't make them for very long - which suggests either the profit margins were too tight or there were QC issues. It's hard to find any reviews of them, not many people seem to actually own one!
the quality seems nice (chunky maple cap) and I like how the figuring in the top is subtle.
theres a one on ebay with no pickups for around £550 which is around the most I'd be looking at spending, however a case, shipping and pickups are probably gonna bump the cost of this guitar up another £350.00 which makes it less of a 'deal'.
I really dig the old Rico Mockingbirds and think I'll probably end up holding out for one of those.
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The exotic one has a review along with it if you log in as German :D , the review is in German. Short info: good guitar, great price.
No idea about the others, but in general most reviews of the midprice BC Richs I've read in the least years were always solid and good, especially the Korean ones.
As an info on Kerry: I think I read somewhere once that he used a DiMarzio Megadrive in the early times before he went EMG.
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but they didn't make them for very long - which suggests either the profit margins were too tight or there were QC issues. It's hard to find any reviews of them, not many people seem to actually own one!
either those two or they were cannibalising the sales of other models...
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As an info on Kerry: I think I read somewhere once that he used a DiMarzio Megadrive in the early times before he went EMG.
yep, I'm sure he used Super Distortions early on, then Megadrives. There are probably other pickups in there too, but I think they were the firm faves before the EMG days.
The new Slayer album has some decent guitar tones, but they haven't revisited the awesome form of God Hates Us All.
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I like Hide's Mockingbird, only thing I don't like about the model itself is that the lower part of the upper horn digs into my chest. Though I didn't have a strap when I was playing it and that would've solved it.
(http://www.prartmusic.com/cms/components/com_fireboard/uploaded/images/MG145CS_01.jpg)
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The Mockingbird is by far my favourite guitar shape, just wish I could afford a US model. The 3 NJ models I have are really good though, especially the Classic. Apart from a badly cut nut it was spot on.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/theonlywarlock/87881_800.jpg)
This is my fave among the Mockingbirds (apart from flat black).
At less than 400£ it is also ridiculously cheap at Thomann: http://www.thomann.de/gb/bc_rich_mockingbird_exotic_koa.htm (http://www.thomann.de/gb/bc_rich_mockingbird_exotic_koa.htm) very similar looking to the 70's ones
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Just got this off of ebay. Anyone who has played an American made BC Rich knows how awesome these things are. I've owned two late 90s NJ Series BCs and they were of pretty bad quality. I've played one of those Czech made guitars and the quality was pretty good.
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff359/keeperofdecay/100_0313.jpg)
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very nice score - what era was that made in and which country? (I'm assuming its not current production)
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very nice score - what era was that made in and which country? (I'm assuming its not current production)
It's a USA made Supreme model with Bernie Rico Jr signature on the back of the headstock. So I think that would put it made around 2000? Tried to do some digging on that but couldn't find much. As far as I know these models have to be custom ordered by an authorized dealer to be made. Dude said it took half a year to get this one after it was ordered. I couldn't pass up the deal. Paid $1300 for it. Considering what you would pay for a Supreme model from a dealer I think I made out big time.
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I like the guitar a lot for the most part, but those inlays...Gah.
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I like that guitar a lot - the inlays too, they're part of the BC Rich 'look'.
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Another thumbs up for the cloud inlays! :D