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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: murraymurray on November 18, 2009, 11:34:19 PM
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Was watching the new metalocalyspe episodes and noticed even skwisgaar and toki have dropped krank.
I wonder how much marshall wouldve had to front for that endorsement?
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:lol:
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Was watching the new metalocalyspe episodes and noticed even skwisgaar and toki have dropped krank.
I wonder how much marshall wouldve had to front for that endorsement?
Never heard of Dethklok. Are they big? It's probably not a genre I am much interested in.
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Apparently Metalocalypse is a cartoon, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalocalypse (had to google it, I've no idea what it is either)
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I don't know who they are either.
how much money DO people front for endorsements?
Mesa say they don't give away free amp's to anyone.
Dethklok move to marshall, 'whip' from queensryche is using Egnater. whats going on at Krank?
are people just buying out the dudes who endorse Krank.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dethklok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dethklok)
Let's see what Copperhead has to say about it!
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whats going on at Krank?
Maybe Krank aren't as good as they think they are.
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Is it bad that i'm actually worried about what happens when copperhead reads this thread?
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Is it bad that i'm actually worried about what happens when copperhead reads this thread?
:lol:
I just hope it doesn't turn into a US vs everyone else debate again.
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whats going on at Krank?
Maybe Krank aren't as good as they think they are.
this could be absolute rubbish but I heard ages ago that someone who worked at Krank left to work for Randall and took artists contact details or something like that with them
Michael Amott and Christian Olde Wolbers both played Krank and then got Randall signature amps, coincidence?
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whats going on at Krank?
Maybe Krank aren't as good as they think they are.
this could be absolute rubbish but I heard ages ago that someone who worked at Krank left to work for Randall and took artists contact details or something like that with them
Michael Amott and Christian Olde Wolbers both played Krank and then got Randall signature amps, coincidence?
still shows lack of dedication to a product.
at the most all this chopping and changing means that who endorses what gear doesnt matter in the slightest. its all about what the artist gets from it, and what the company gets from it. Its not about getting an artist to stick with your gear long term because they don't think anything else is better.
i mean, if i had a Krank deal, and then someone said 'hey, come to randall'... if i really DID like Krank, why would I change?
EDIT: sorry, yeah, I guess they did get signature heads out of that move.
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Endorsement deals run out all the time.
Mike Ammott is not very likely to stick with Randall very long either if you ask me. Dean as well, who knows.
Truth be told, I guess he was using the same old 5150 amp behind the curtain anyway.
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5150's are still the amp listed on his technical rider, anyway...
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Endorsement deals run out all the time.
I think if you really like something, you'd put your name to it till something better comes along, or someone offers you a better deal.
If you can be bought out of using gear it suggests you probably didnt care much about that gear, so that endorsement didn't really mean much.
Would Krank have just said "oh your endorsement deal ran out, but its ok because we don't really need you" or would they have tried to keep him on board?
In any case, I think if artists start changing up what they are using it just weakens how serious their endorsement of that kit actual is.
It's always impressive if someone has used the same gear for a long time. you know they love it. do you know what im getting at?
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5150's are still the amp listed on his technical rider, anyway...
is that down to the likelihood of rental companies stocking 5150's as opposed to randalls?
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Endorsement deals run out all the time.
I think if you really like something, you'd put your name to it till something better comes along, or someone offers you a better deal.
Ideally, but given you can still use whatever you like in the studio, and most of your time spent abroad will be with hired gear and not many hire companies have much out with the "standards" Twins, Bassmans, AC30s, AC15s, JCM800s, JCM2000s, Rectos and 5150s, then you're likely not using your endorsement gear outwith your own terrirtory anyway. So who cares if it changes all the time.
It's different if you've only a partial endorsement where you still have to buy gear. But in those cases, it's usually even harder to get your own gear abroad because the brand generally wont be arsed to try and help.
Plenty times I've been stuck hiring gear for bands who's endorsers wont supply with anything to use in the UK.
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Well yeah. I know its not always possible to get hold of certain things. so asking for a 5150 just saves a headache.
But touring and recording and using one thing because you can't get whatever is different to just attaching your name to a product. Someone might use a 5150 if they had to, but wouldn't necessarily endorse the 5150 as being their amp of choice in a situation where they could have anything.
I think partial endorsement and so on, or deals where artists still buy their own amps (such as what mesa claim happens with their deals)... means the artist is still willing to pay for that gear themselves while putting their name to it. I think thats an even bigger endorsement.
thats why i asked if amott's 5150 was requested because its easier to hire than his own signature head. maybe he prefers his own head, but know he can't always use it.
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The whole endorsement thing has been as sham for ages - I remember reading American guitar amps in the god forsaken 1980s when Gay LA Metal bands like Poison and equally lipsticked and permed shred heads like Tony McAlpine or whoever had the album of the month out would endorse anything.
Oddly, it always seems in 7 of 10 cases turn out that in the studio these dudes use an old Fender or Gibson guitar and a Marshall in the studio. Its probably the case that Krank are suffering from the recession and can't keep their artists, so big Jim M has stepped in.
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5150's are still the amp listed on his technical rider, anyway...
is that down to the likelihood of rental companies stocking 5150's as opposed to randalls?
I missed this when I was replying, sorry.
I'd imagine it's because of availability, BUT, having a signature model, you'd imagine Randall would provide him with amps whatever territories he's in, if he asked...
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Sorry to throw a wet blanket on the hatefest.
Michael Wilton is still using Krank amps as his live rig. He does also use Marshall and has indeed been digging some Egnater stuff.
That's the cool thing about being a big star, you get to play every cool amp or piece of gear your heart desires.
Endorsement deals are not "exclusive."
Please remember that the Krank nineteen80 amp was designed and developed around Michael's ideas and needs for a live rig.
There are also other products that are in the design stage that Michael Wilton and Tony Dow are collaborating on.
Needless to say, an amicable relationship continues for Krank Amplification and Michael Wilton.
....Now back to your scheduled program....
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Endorsement deals are not "exclusive."
They can be, and I would think the manufacturers would like them to be......
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I didn't think there was a hatefest going on. JUst a discussion about how meaningless some artist endorsements actually are.
Obviously if an artist uses 1 amp, its a pretty strong endorsement of that product. Rather than some guy using every amp under the sun adding somethin to that list for the sake of it.
Krank will be the same as a bunch of other builders in the way it deals with endorsement.
Maybe...
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Oh Nozzz!!!
Michael has dropped Egnater, Krank and Marshall - now using Fender, Orange, Peavey and Wizard!!!
(http://www.michaelwilton.com/2005%20New%20Pictures/Recording%20set%20up_2.JPG)
:lol:
Don't you see how stupid it can get when you assume certain relationships exist or do not exist by whatever the artist chooses to play on a certain day?
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Guffaw.
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thats perfect, i've been pretty ill today, this cheered me up a bit, even if the humour isn't all my taste (too much gore, but the rock makes up for it!)
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That Blonde Bassman looks nice - can I get an endorsement for that one :D
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he hasn't rushed to put the 1980 on his site
http://www.michaelwilton.com/amps_05.htm
or mention Krank on his endorsements page
http://www.michaelwilton.com/endorsers_05.htm
to be fair i bet thats only a small amount of what he uses and egnater isn't mentioned either.
i thought id highlight that bit before you start calling me a krank hater with a vendetta who needs to "man up".
again (i think NFE said this already) it doesn't really matter. all the initial excitement about anyone using anything is pretty irrelevant when you think about it. especially when it comes to particular big name muso's who can and DO use anything and everything. I think we determined this "post-krank-hate".
I find it much more helpful to listen to musicians who are friends, and who i respect when it comes to checking out gear.
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Yeah, the equipment list and equipment photos on his site are pretty dated.
If anything, he can afford to be the gear whore that we all wish we could.
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If anything, he can afford to be the gear whore that we all wish we could.
I don't wish to be that type of gear whore :P
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Endorsement deals run out all the time.
I think if you really like something, you'd put your name to it till something better comes along, or someone offers you a better deal.
If you can be bought out of using gear it suggests you probably didnt care much about that gear, so that endorsement didn't really mean much.
Would Krank have just said "oh your endorsement deal ran out, but its ok because we don't really need you" or would they have tried to keep him on board?
In any case, I think if artists start changing up what they are using it just weakens how serious their endorsement of that kit actual is.
It's always impressive if someone has used the same gear for a long time. you know they love it. do you know what im getting at?
Definitely. I think that if an artists really loves a certain product (e.g. Yngwie with his Fenders and Petrucci with Mesa), it will boost sales over a long time. Metallica's recently fling with Randall left me apathetic. With Metallica it's obvious they use ESP and other brands solely for monetary reasons, since they use other brands (Gibson, Mesa etc.) in the studio all the time. It's just a way for a band to make more money.
If an artists suddenly changes brand it doesn't change that all his previous work and gigs were done with the old brand.
If you truly love a sound or a company you won't change even if another company offers you $x more.
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To be fair, 'tallica have been using ESP since day dot
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To be fair, 'tallica have been using ESP since day dot
Really, so the Gibsons, Fernandes, Jacksons they used for Kill 'em all, Ride the lightning, Master of Puppets and possibly Garage days revisited were a figment of my imagination. I believe they started endorsing ESP just before the Justice for all album as Hetfield was looking for consistent sounding guitars as his Gibsons all sounded different to each other. Or for more money, depending on you point of view.
So, hardly year dot, unless you count their first three albums as not worthy of classing as Metallica?
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To be fair, 'tallica have been using ESP since day dot
Hardly:
(http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/8-6-12%20basement%20metallica%20hetfield%20iron%20cross%20with%20fingers.jpg)
They have been endorsed by ESP for a long time, but look at some live videos and studio footage (if I recall correctly even Kirk uses a Gibson in the free St. Anger DVD).
I'm by no means a 'Tallica fan boy, but their blatant disrespect to ESP has always been somewhat of an eye sore to me. Especially if their great ESP sig models are based off a model produced by another company.
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To be fair, 'tallica have been using ESP since day dot
Hardly:
(http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/8-6-12%20basement%20metallica%20hetfield%20iron%20cross%20with%20fingers.jpg)
They have been endorsed by ESP for a long time, but look at some live videos and studio footage (if I recall correctly even Kirk uses a Gibson in the free St. Anger DVD).
I'm by no means a 'Tallica fan boy, but their blatant disrespect to ESP has always been somewhat of an eye sore to me. Especially if their great ESP sig models are based off a model produced by another company.
In all fairness,
ESP have an extremely aggressive endorsment policy
They can in fact play whatever the hell they want. Hey, I $%&#ing love my legra customs, but I want to play other guitars as well
And if youre talking about the asthetic stuff on that LP, I believe james does that himself.
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So, hardly year dot, unless you count their first three albums as not worthy of classing as Metallica?
if that was the case metallica would only have 1 decent album
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rofl set on by the Metallica aficionados, step away from the internet :lol:
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rofl set on by the Metallica aficionados, step away from the internet :lol:
Oh, I think that they're narcisistic has-beens.
But the stuff that was said above wasnt fair imo!
Well, no, death magnetic was tollerable, though I like it less with every listen, and *some* of the last show I went to (the DM tour) was good (the parts WITHOUT the $%&#ing dancing laser shite and flying coffins)
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So, hardly year dot, unless you count their first three albums as not worthy of classing as Metallica?
if that was the case metallica would only have 1 decent album
St Anger right?
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So, hardly year dot, unless you count their first three albums as not worthy of classing as Metallica?
if that was the case metallica would only have 1 decent album
St Anger right?
Yeah, of course :lol:
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They have been endorsed by ESP for a long time, but look at some live videos and studio footage (if I recall correctly even Kirk uses a Gibson in the free St. Anger DVD).
Hmmm. Impossible to check, as it would mean having to watch that horrible godawful DVD again. Frankly I'd (almost) rather stand in front of a mirror and say "Candyman" five times. Anyone brave enough? :?