Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: hunter on November 20, 2009, 11:06:04 AM
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did two versions of this one on the Steavens, once on the Meat Channel (Ch3) with Gain up 2/3, one on the Heat Channel (Ch4) with Gain at 13:00, EQ and boosts are identical.
Guitar is the Edwards LP with VHIIs in it.
Which do you prefer?
Channel 3 - MEAT (http://www.klangforschungszentrum.de/temp/loner_meat.mp3)
Channel 4 - HEAT (http://www.klangforschungszentrum.de/temp/loner_heat.mp3)
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personally, i'd say meat.
there's not a huge amount in it but i prefer the rounder, smoother take
:D
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Er, meat for me I think, but there's nothing in it really.
Couldn't you have made one of them sound rubbish to make the choice easier? :wink:
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Couldn't you have made one of them sound rubbish to make the choice easier? :wink:
Haha, not gonna happen with this amp ;)
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Heat for me too but I actually liked both.
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Yeah I'd be very happy with either and couldn't really choose.
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Can't hear clips at work, I'll vote and comment properly later, mebbe over the weekend - but when I saw the title, I was thinking, "Actually, for me, I was rather fond of the Crunch channel..." :lol:
From the earlier demos, Meat had it for me, but I'd have taken either :D
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"Actually, for me, I was rather fond of the Crunch channel..." :lol:
To be honest, if there is just a minute where I don't think I have to play fast and be bad, I do enjoy the Crunch channel the most. It's the most open of the three drive channels and has a lot of what I had in the Shiva, but none of its drawbacks.
Bernhard should build a single channel 15W amp based on Crunch, together with the 3 switchable boosts it would be an awesome piece of kit!
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Heat sounds more alive and angry to me, so I like that one.
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both sounds great, but i like heat a little bit better
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The Meat was better on the main riff, but the heat was better for the arpeggios etc
I've not helped have I?
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Bernhard should build a single channel 15W amp based on Crunch, together with the 3 switchable boosts it would be an awesome piece of kit!
Based on your demos the other week, I'd start getting interested ... but HEY!! I'm not meant to be gassing for amps. I'm not playing live, even 15W would be too loud... aghh.... :lol:
I knew this would happen... missus wanted chrimbo pressie ideas... I've been seduced by a Vox AC4TV... we decided I could go and play guitar in the bedroom or anywhere without having to turn on the studio next to the TV when she's trying to watch Spooks or something... I've only played it for 30mins in the shop... now it's boxed up in the spare room, waiting for Santa to "deliver it" to me...
... and now I'm paying close attention to the hunter tone quest, and getting excited by his amp tones - I knew I'd get sucked into this stuff if I ever gave in and took to "real" amps again :lol:
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Bernhard should build a single channel 15W amp based on Crunch, together with the 3 switchable boosts it would be an awesome piece of kit!
Based on your demos the other week, I'd start getting interested ... but HEY!! I'm not meant to be gassing for amps. I'm not playing live, even 15W would be too loud... aghh.... :lol:
I knew this would happen... missus wanted chrimbo pressie ideas... I've been seduced by a Vox AC4TV... we decided I could go and play guitar in the bedroom or anywhere without having to turn on the studio next to the TV when she's trying to watch Spooks or something... I've only played it for 30mins in the shop... now it's boxed up in the spare room, waiting for Santa to "deliver it" to me...
... and now I'm paying close attention to the hunter tone quest, and getting excited by his amp tones - I knew I'd get sucked into this stuff if I ever gave in and took to "real" amps again :lol:
I can always make you a good price for the Triamp, it also has a half-power switch, for "bedroom playing" :O)
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Nah... I've seen it there... I think I'll pass...
Let's at least get into the New Year, by which time I'll have had a good week or two on my "vintage AC30 running at full blast but you can stand by it without going blind" tones :lol:
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Never mind, I spoke to Bernhard (Steavens) the other day, and he said the UK weren't really his market. In fact he sold 2 amps to the UK in 20 years, which makes an average of 1 per decade. He is selling far more to the US, obviously DE and BeNeLux.
So it won't really hurt if you'd stick to your baby vox :O)
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both sound great - i went for heat, a bit more cut (or perhaps i am fooling myself, since the sound quite similar)
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Never mind, I spoke to Bernhard (Steavens) the other day, and he said the UK weren't really his market. In fact he sold 2 amps to the UK in 20 years, which makes an average of 1 per decade. He is selling far more to the US, obviously DE and BeNeLux.
So it won't really hurt if you'd stick to your baby vox :O)
your clips made me interested in steavens, checked the website, but didnt found any prices?
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Never mind, I spoke to Bernhard (Steavens) the other day, and he said the UK weren't really his market. In fact he sold 2 amps to the UK in 20 years, which makes an average of 1 per decade. He is selling far more to the US, obviously DE and BeNeLux.
So it won't really hurt if you'd stick to your baby vox :O)
your clips made me interested in steavens, checked the website, but didnt found any prices?
This is to give an idea of the price range:
https://www.music-station.eu/index.php?SESSCSDD=tmr1qcI2RFNCNzI6_796330&content=products&order=bestand&orderDir=DESC&search=steavens
But I would suggest to contact Bernhard directly, maybe he can do something.
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If you speak to him again, tell him that if I was about to go gigging and was in the market for an amp - he might well have ended up selling his UK quota for the next decade, based on your demo :lol:
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The first one, but there's not exactly a huge diff!
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The difference isn't huge but it's there. Beware that it's the same amp, same EQ, volume, Presence and boost settings, just differently voiced channels with different gain settings. Heat is definitely more compressed and has a slightly shifted mid range, as well as being more loose on the lower notes.
Big difference is when playing, as the two channels feel very different.
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Heard the clips now.
I was quite surprised, after reading the earlier comments, that I could hear a difference!
I like both, but for that track I preferred Heat. It sounds more gritty and organic and cuts through the track better for me - I dunno, I felt like I could hear more emotion.
And having written that last phrase... I suddenly thought..."Big difference is when playing, as the two channels feel very different." - I was going to ask/comment about that anyway, but I'm suspecting you preferred playing Heat for this one??
Interesting though - I thought last week I preferred Meat in the demos, but I'd definitely pick Heat based on these two. :D
EDIT: Forgot this bit - Horsehead was barking up the right tree as well. For some passages Meat is better, some Heat. Of course, if you've got an amp with both, and big switch on the floor to jump between them... then you're a happy man!
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I really liked them both, but prefer Heat by a tiny margin.
Great playing & production btw - well done.
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Both good. I'd say which is better depends on who you are playing with and the venue.
I imagine Meat would be good in a power trio as it takes up more tonal range and Heat would be good in a bigger band perhaps with two guitarists or a keyboard player to cut through.
It's certainly good to have that subtle but useful flexibility.
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For some passages Meat is better, some Heat. Of course, if you've got an amp with both, and big switch on the floor to jump between them... then you're a happy man!
Dude, I guess that about sums it up.
I was playing at fairly high volume tonight when the missus was out shopping. Darn I had a BFG* on my face!!!
*=Big Fat Grin