Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: WezV on November 21, 2009, 03:01:02 PM
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This idea started because i really like simple guitars like Les Paul juniors - but i have always been horrifed by gibsons attempts to bassify it
here are the originals:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/rhomco/gibson_eb0_dc.jpg)
short scale, all mahogany, ugly pickguard, heavy banjo tuners and a pickup thats definately an acquired taste... all this makes most of them farty, muddy and horrible
so time for a rethink.
Specs:
Mahogany/purpleheart neck through
Fretless ebony fretboard
super light and resonant mahogany body wings
Two-way truss rod + Dual Cf bars
34" scale
Hipshot lightweight tuners
Schaller bass bridge
1976 thunderbird pickup
late 70's Dimarzio Model one EB-0 sized humbucker
6-way rotary pickup switching in the varitone hole(the wiring diagram took a while!!)
Vintage white finish
just got the bass back from mike lennon yesterday - another top notch spray job
so assembly begins:
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/2-4.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/1-5.jpg)
still tweaking the pickguard design - but something along these lines
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/PG.png)
the body and pickguard are same size as a LP junior
and before anyone mentions balance (longer neck and quite small body, i could see why you might), its actually pretty good. I dont have the strap buttons on so can only tell by holding the top horn but it seems to hang pretty level, suggesting a slight neck heaviness but not so much that it is a problem
the other issue i have is the pole spacing on the old dimarzio. i dont think it will be a problem but if it ends up letting the bass down something else will go in its place
oh, and ignore the mismatched knobs - obviously that wont be on the final product
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That is a very cool idea. I like the LP Junior style too.
Was that a customer order or something that you built for yourself?
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I like it. :D
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custom order - i cant play an unlined fretless to save my life
i can just about play this as i have lined the top edge of the fretboard and put dots in the usual fretted player friendly positions
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I love it Wez. I remember the EB series well and I like yours a whole lot more. I would reckon on a couple of Jazz pickups personally but nevertheless the design looks great.
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It looks brilliant Wez. I like the black pickguard (but that's because my white SG Junior has black, so I'm used to the look). In that case it would have to be black knobs too I think. I bet you can't wait to get it plugged in to hear the sound.
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Nice :D
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i was considering black and silver reflector 'volume' and 'tone' ... a bit more like this:
(http://www.vintageguitar.com/uploads/articles/3413/gibson-eb-3-01.jpg)
the torty scratchplate material is calling but black will probably work best. the white one above is just card to help me decide the shape
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nice, big improvement (in looks, anyway, i don't play bass so the spec doesn't mean that much to me)
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I dig the black knobs and the black pick guard. Looks like a very interesting instrument. I'm no bass player myself, but would still love getting a chance to play it.
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couple more pics - i think this scratchplate design really works.
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/5-1.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/3-3.jpg)
i wired in my crazy rotary switch to see how it worked.
it gives:
1. Dimarzio in series
2. Dimarzio in parallel
3. Dimarzio in parallel with thunderbird in series
4. Dimarzio in parallel with thunderbird in parallel
5. Dimarzio in series with thundrbird in series
6. Thunderbird only
switching from all series to all parallel gives quite a volume difference!! ;) Not sure if it will stay yet but its at least giving me ideas which settings work best and then i can see about working them into a simpler set-up
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It looks excellent. I like the slightly smaller scratchplate.
I was thinking.... that style and body shape seems an unusual choice for a fretless. I think of Gibson(-ish) basses as very much rock or maybe punk instruments. What style does the owner play?
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dont think it cant do rock just because its fretless, its going to be quite versatile - just in a classic looking package
last fretless i did was lined so this is the first time i have done one with such a massive expanse of blank fretboard... and i am enjoying it a lot
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Oh yeah, I'm sure it can do rock, wasn't criticising in any way - but you tend to think fretless = funk or jazz.
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i've been playing rockabilly all day :)
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I should've thought of that. :)
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Pino Palladino played a musicman fretless, and they have a huge bottom end from the pickup. I think part of the sound of Gibsons was the old Marshall set ups. Put it through a Trace Elliott (or a Hartke like Jack Bruce was doing with his EB1), and the sound will have more definition. Anyway, with this one having neck through, 34" scale, Fender style bridge, I don't think it will have the traditional Gibson sound! I think that the shape and DiMarzio are the only Gibson things left. Wez also said it was without the mud.
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and the almost all mahogany construction - thats something which is quite gibson.
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Looks cool, but I think the body could have been enlarged a little
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just to make it heavy ??? nah, seriously, small body+ long neck + fretless =massive wide open space of pure black ebony = complete freedom!!!
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like it!
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just to make it heavy ??? nah, seriously, small body+ long neck + fretless =massive wide open space of pure black ebony = complete freedom!!!
I have no big problems with the weight of guitar... But I would ask for a 33" or 32" scale :lol:
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we did consider it - but 34" is what most people are used to and i reckon it makes sense to go with what people are used to when switching to fretless
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here is the balance shot, although now i realise it looks like i am supporting it from behind with the right hand - i swear i aint :)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/balance1.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/new/balance2.jpg)
i now have it wired too, and it all just fits in the cavity. controls are:
6-way rotary to give-
1. Dimarzio in series
2. Dimarzio in parallel
3. Dimarzio in parallel with thunderbird in series
4. Dimarzio in parallel with thunderbird in parallel
5. Dimarzio in series with thundrbird in series
6. Thunderbird only
Master volume
Master tone
Push/pull to activate/bypass an active pre-amp circuit
Centre notched treble + - 15dB at 6kHz
Centre notched bass + - 15dB at 40Hz
need to make a cavity cover and truss rod cover. do a set-up and decide on some knobs
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someones getting a nice christmas present!
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I love the look of that Wez. I can imagine it in TV yellow too.