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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Johnny Mac on November 16, 2005, 06:56:40 PM
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I managed to download a Rusty Cooley guitar instructional video on Sunday. This bloke has to be one of the most frightening shredders in the world. I reckon at one stage in the demo he must have been doubling Yngwie's fastest note output. He was just showing off and I know there's more to guitar playing than speed but most players would find this very impressive. I got it from limewire (like Napster) it's around 165meg. I just sat there and thought how the hell do you get that good!
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Rusty is phenomenal technically, but I'm not that into his music.
Here's someone that IMO can play insanely fast and still write nice melodies
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1938099378022643751&q=guitar
Watch the whole vid ^ The first few minutes are just widdle, but the rest is definitely worth watching.
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Rusty is phenomenal technically, but I'm not that into his music.
Here's someone that IMO can play insanely fast and still write nice melodies
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1938099378022643751&q=guitar
Watch the whole vid ^ The first few minutes are just widdle, but the rest is definitely worth watching.
Ok thanks for that!
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I have Shred Guitar Manifesto by RC. It's interesting.
The man can shred, no two ways about it!
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Hmm, impressive for about a minute, then it all starts to sound the same!
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LOL THAT GUY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (i guess i should add IMHO on the end so i don't get everyone yelling at me) in the words of my friend "that guy has learned a scale and taken waaaaay too much speed"
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Personally i hate it when people say "Oh all that guy can do is play really fast" Ok yeah maybe that is all he can do but so what! I don't see you playing at that speed and using it more melodically, if thats what a guitar player enjoys doing then so be it, cause isn't that what playing an instrument is about???
If you look at the flip side i could say similar things about blues players, rock players, funck players and dare i say it, yes even jazz players can be critacised in similar ways, but i don't i respect that thats what they enjoy playing and that it takes skill, talent and hours of practise to get to that level, you wouldn't go up to BB King and tell him he sucks???........would you...?
I'm not getting at anyone i just hate this whole anti-shredder vibe you see everywere when it comes to guitar players.
But back onto the topics of shredders, Rusty Cooley is awsome, unbeleivable chops another guy to check out is......*dramatic pause whilest i find the link*
http://www.francescofareri.com/
Click the enter site button, the goto the video section and download "Guitar solo 2004" i saw this and was just blown away.
Enjoy
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you wouldn't go up to BB King and tell him he sucks???........would you...?
Of course i would if i didn't like him (i do though - he's great). I'm not gonna praise anyone's music if i dont bloody like it. I'm not saying that Rusty shouldn't play like he does if he enjoys it. all I'm saying is that i don't enjoy it!!! IMO It's trash, and i think that he's wasted his time getting that fast to play such trash.
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Hmmm i don't understand how you can sit there and slate something thats incredably skillfull and has taken alot of time to master.
Hmmm maybe one day i'l be able to do that to........................i hope not though.
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I know its taken ages for him to do it, i know its all AMAZING and everything, but its like when yu see somebody's spent 20 years learning to balance an elephant on their head.
"Wow - that is amazing. WHY DID YOU SPEND 20 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE LEARNING TO DO THAT!? YOU'RE AN IDIOT."
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Personally i'd love to see someone ballance an elephant on their head (i'l be honist that made me chuckle), but if thats what he enjoys doing i wouldn't slate him for it.
:shock: (i like that smiley)
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well we shall agree to disagree. You like endless tuneless noodling and elephant balancers. i don't.
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There is no doubt that this guy is a complete genius, but, im afraid to say, he goes about looking good the same way i do. He does the same pattern, shape and scale over and over again really fast. It just gets repetetive. He also sounds a bit out...like a distressed owl in a proton accelerator.
I hate to be controversial, but thats my view.
Hes doing the same...over and over again....
Like me!
Im a genius!
YAY!
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well we shall agree to disagree. You like endless tuneless noodling and elephant balancers. i don't.
Never said i liked endless tuneless noodling, i like watching those clips just cause the sheer speed amazes me, but i pretty much listen to most things, although metal is my favourite genrea.
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Fair enough. I think i just see the guitar as a musical instrument to make music with. I don't get it when people play fast for the novelty of playing fast. I'm not against shredding or anything at all! i love metal, but only when theres a tune to it. Sorry i had to argue!
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The issue of speed is one that interests me a lot. The other week I went to see some free jazz guys, there was this pianist called Irene Schweizer, it was incredible. Some of the best live music I have ever experienced.
Anyway, she played technically brilliantly. But it was also harmonically excellent. But would you say that was 'aimless noodling' or rubbish?
I think there is a tendency, a hangover from the 80s, that when you see a guitarist playing fast to just dismiss it as noodling, of no harmonic interest. But if it was another instrument, in another genre, people probably wouldnt be so overtly critical.
Anti-shredders suck more than shredders, simply because they are often so blinkered in their views, IMO. Sure, some shredders are repetitve and metronomic, but not all :evil:
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Fair enough. I think i just see the guitar as a musical instrument to make music with. I don't get it when people play fast for the novelty of playing fast. I'm not against shredding or anything at all! i love metal, but only when theres a tune to it. Sorry i had to argue!
I tend to agree but then again some well thought out shredding (Dragonforce!) sounds so good in the right song. I appreciate it takes time and determination to master but in the end its all a bit boring, especially in an instrumental. I think Satch has the balance just right. Emotional, yet rippin!
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I've got the same Charvel as Shawn!! :twisted: I dont like the 2nd to 5th fret stretch between index and middle fingers...
Anyway - speed is good, without being able to play scales to a decent speed even blues will be difficult. Just because you can play fast doesn't mean you have to, but having the ability opens up what you can do emotionally because your technique will be less of a boundary. So in the middle of the solo if you feel the need for a fast run, your technique isn’t limiting that expression.
This is only an issue with guitarplayers it would appear.....
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There's a clip of Rusty I saw recently that made my jaw drop. At first I thought the clip had been sped up. But, nope, he was just playing ridiculously fast.
Of course, that kinda thing gets boring after a while. Being able to play fast is a useful ability, but doing it all the time is robbing your songs of the dynamics that comes with variety.
It's kinda like that old joke:
Q: What is the definition of a true country gentleman?
A: Someone who can play the banjo, but doesn't.
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That link is for Shawn Lane. I can't say that i like what he used to do though. The Rusty Cooley video was him giving an awesome demo of his skill. Then some teaching stuff. If speed is used in the right context of the song it's fantastic stuff. E.G Vai, Satriani and Zakk ect. Too much like Shawn Lanes stuff then I glaze over. Less is more and all that!
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Just because you can play fast doesn't mean you have to, but having the ability opens up what you can do emotionally because your technique will be less of a boundary. So in the middle of the solo if you feel the need for a fast run, your technique isn’t limiting that expression.
That's basically my viewpoint on it too.
If you want out and out speed and want to be shocked, this guy is hard to beat
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2787039226673188860&q=tiago
Also see Danny Joe Carter.. I want to think these video's are sped up, because the picking is beyond insane.
http://www.dannyjoecarter.com/html/videos.htm
Watch the first picking video and the sweeps...
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Too much like Shawn Lanes stuff then I glaze over. Less is more and all that!
Did you watch the performances of his songs?
I'll PM you something in a few minutes, just let me upload it first.. 8)
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No sorry.. :(
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Wow, did you see that Della Vega guy!?
Well, obviously, but look how fluid he is!
D'ya think he can play Smoke On The Water though? 8)
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No sorry.. :(
You have PM :)
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No sorry.. :(
You have PM :)
Ahh! Now I like that. That's a real tune. Very nice stuff. It does sound so much better and musical in that context rather than a load of guitar shop spoo. Thanks for that I didn't know he played music like that!
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just pimped that dannyjoe guy on the HC, they all hate shredders on there it seems :p
shawn lane, i had a video of him and some guy playing bass, was all improv, the whole concert... was ok but boring after a while.. fusion not my thing.
i thought his instructional vid was naff, it was all hyper picked scales with no real point :(
On a side note, do a limewire search for 'Live Bass Extremes', 2 bass players doing shred\neo classical\fusion bass solos for an hour.. actually quite cool some of the stuff they pull off!!
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shawn lane, i had a video of him and some guy playing bass, was all improv, the whole concert... was ok but boring after a while.. fusion not my thing.
Hellborg, or something like that...
Yeah that was later on in his life; I'm not really that into that either.
Watch the videos I posted in the other thread! That's the Lane stuff I like. It's not fusiony-improvy, it's structured etc..
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I love shredding and all types of music but I must say cooley is absolutely pants at writing music. Someone mentioned that cooley is a genius, i don't see how playing a scale up and down really fast classes you as a genius.
I would class people like beethoven, Mozart and Jason Becker as real music geniuses, there are a million bedroom shredders out there who can play sextuplet semiquavers at 140bpm, but can any of them writing a meaningful song?
This whole speed issue is really sad I mean at the end of the day if someone wants to wank their guitar let them, its not gonna get them laid in fact quite the opposite. Guitarists are the most jaded people on the planet dunno whats up with that?
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I love shredding and all types of music but I must say cooley is absolutely pants at writing music. Someone mentioned that cooley is a genius, i don't see how playing a scale up and down really fast classes you as a genius.
I would class people like beethoven, Mozart and Jason Becker as real music geniuses, there are a million bedroom shredders out there who can play sextuplet semiquavers at 140bpm, but can any of them writing a meaningful song?
This whole speed issue is really sad I mean at the end of the day if someone wants to wank their guitar let them, its not gonna get them laid in fact quite the opposite. Guitarists are the most jaded people on the planet dunno whats up with that?
I haven't heard any of Rusty's music but I take your point on playing scales really fast ect doesn't make you a genius. Writing amazing music on the other hand does, like the examples you gave.
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I love shredding and all types of music but I must say cooley is absolutely pants at writing music. Someone mentioned that cooley is a genius, i don't see how playing a scale up and down really fast classes you as a genius.
I would class people like beethoven, Mozart and Jason Becker as real music geniuses, there are a million bedroom shredders out there who can play sextuplet semiquavers at 140bpm, but can any of them writing a meaningful song?
This whole speed issue is really sad I mean at the end of the day if someone wants to wank their guitar let them, its not gonna get them laid in fact quite the opposite. Guitarists are the most jaded people on the planet dunno whats up with that?
I haven't heard any of Rusty's music but I take your point on playing scales really fast ect doesn't make you a genius. Writing amazing music on the other hand does, like the examples you gave. Saying that though I'd still love to shred like that but I doubt vey much if that would happen. If I could though I'd put it in a great context. I think Zakk does a good balance of what he is capaple of. I suppose it all comes down to balance. Good word too!
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I've no idea how RC can play so friggin fast when he lifts his fingers so far from the strings! He's amazing, you can't deny him that.. But who cares, i wouldn't listen to him for more than 30 seconds.
But i don't hate aimless shredders as much as floyd rose abusers - people who run out of real musical ideas, so they pointlessly wank their guitars, thinking that someone might actually enjoy hearing the sound of a drowning duck blasted through a million watts of amplification. Every ten seconds.
I could give names, but it would be blood in the water for fans of this guy...
Back to the topic, in terms of balance between shred and real melodic playing, John Petrucci is the real winner, IMHO - check out the G3 dvd in Tokyo 2005, the guy is GOD, anyone who can shred like a demon AND sound like Dave Gilmour solo at the same time gets my vote.