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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: hunter on December 20, 2009, 09:03:29 PM
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How come? It's an old song, why has it become #1 in the single charts again? Any UK people can put me in the know here?
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Santa told us to buy it.
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http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19526.0
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But I replied with 'Golly gosh, no I don't think I will follow your advice' (or words to that effect) and spent my hard earned money on crack and whores instead.
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Long story short, x-factor (pseudo talent show created to generate lots of high rate phone calls and texts with a fast-selling, short life "artist" or two at the end) has been christmas number one for about 5 years now. Presumably due to general musical apathy of the british public and buying mostly whats shoved in their face on TV.
Some guy on face book interprets this as being because simon cowell, smug tw@t behind x-factor, makes people buy the x factor single with a gun to their head or irresistible marketing campaigns leaving people helpless. Says that x-factor has always been xmas number one and tries to rebel against the trend by encouraging people to buy rage Killing in the Name instead, due to the "$%&# you I wont do what you tell me" section.
It does get to number one, because we're not all sheeple with no ability to decide what to buy based on our own tastes rather than television exposure, but enough of us are still suggestible enough to do what a guy on facebook tells us to.
13 year old girls across the coutry have their world turned upside down, the sky falls on their heads, the oceans boil and earth splits in two and they cry into their mince pies. The rest of us are quite amused by the whole thing.
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I thought it looked a bit suspicious.
im guessing the xfactor guy still sold a sh*tload of single/album, and then some dude starts some web pages telling people that normally wouldnt care about the xmas charts so would not being spending any money to go and buy an alternative bands single as some sort of ironic protest. however, both singles are linked to sony, so on top of selling a buttload of xfactor, they sell a sir mixalot sized buttload of ratm as well, so for an outlay of somewhere around nothing or giving some guy not linked to sony some cash to start the facebook groups etc they manage to sell twice as many singles over a week.
maybe just a silly thought, maybe a silly bunch of people thinking theyre fighting the system, when they shouldve just taken the end of killing in the name of literally and thought for themselves.
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i didnt buy it - why when i already brought it at least 15 years ago ???
but i do think its hilarious. a few years ago some kids at school asked me what music i listened to and i think i mentioned RATM .... not a clue!!! :)
although thats not as bad as when one aked me if i liked 'that new boy band green day'. she got a rant she didnt expect ;)
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I wasn't going to buy it as I've had the album for years, but the prospect of a 29p gig if they got to no.1 seemed too good to refuse :lol: And it's nice not to have a cheesy x-factor no.1 for once.
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I think it's great it actually worked.
You couldn't pull this off in Holland. Just too many morons.
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13 year old girls across the coutry have their world turned upside down, the sky falls on their heads, the oceans boil and earth splits in two and they cry into their mince pies. The rest of us are quite amused by the whole thing.
:lol: :lol:
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Long story short, x-factor (pseudo talent show created to generate lots of high rate phone calls and texts with a fast-selling, short life "artist" or two at the end) has been christmas number one for about 5 years now. Presumably due to general musical apathy of the british public and buying mostly whats shoved in their face on TV.
Some guy on face book interprets this as being because simon cowell, smug tw@t behind x-factor, makes people buy the x factor single with a gun to their head or irresistible marketing campaigns leaving people helpless. Says that x-factor has always been xmas number one and tries to rebel against the trend by encouraging people to buy rage Killing in the Name instead, due to the "$%&# you I wont do what you tell me" section.
It does get to number one, because we're not all sheeple with no ability to decide what to buy based on our own tastes rather than television exposure, but enough of us are still suggestible enough to do what a guy on facebook tells us to.
13 year old girls across the coutry have their world turned upside down, the sky falls on their heads, the oceans boil and earth splits in two and they cry into their mince pies. The rest of us are quite amused by the whole thing.
MDV and I in complete agreement :o
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MDV's post made me chortle, thanks for that! :lol:
Entirely accurate too, I might add!
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I'm here all week
Do we often disagree, sifu? I had no idea.
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Not really, no, you're just a guy with strong opinions, and when people have strong opinions there's often some aspect that other people don't agree with, so complete agreement is rare 8)
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I think it's great it actually worked.
You couldn't pull this off in Holland. Just too many morons.
i'd have thought we'd have had more morons than you... :?
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Not sure if anybody has already flagged this one up.....definitely one of the funniest RATM vs XFactor videos on YouTube :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0Auo50A1A&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0Auo50A1A&feature=related)
Ooooops ....just noticed it appeared in the other RATM thread - anyway, worth watching again !!!
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Not really, no, you're just a guy with strong opinions, and when people have strong opinions there's often some aspect that other people don't agree with, so complete agreement is rare 8)
One sees! True enough. Cool.
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I think it's great it actually worked.
You couldn't pull this off in Holland. Just too many morons.
i'd have thought we'd have had more morons than you... :?
Only because the UK is bigger.
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Not really, no, you're just a guy with strong opinions, and when people have strong opinions there's often some aspect that other people don't agree with, so complete agreement is rare 8)
haha!
MDV is strikes me as a nice guy, but I agree...in things he gets excited about he is a bit bombastic!
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I dont know what you mean
*slowly sneaks away*
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Only because the UK is bigger.
touche, but even as a percentage...
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I dont know what you mean
*slowly sneaks away*
CERAMIC NAILBOMB IS THE GREATEST PICKUP EVAH!!!!!
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DISAGREE
DEATH TO THE PAGAN NON BELIEVERS RAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
:twisted: :band1: :twisted:
Actually I'll be the first to admit thanks to your post I think my next guitar will have a c-bomb bridge PDT_003
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Only because the UK is bigger.
touche, but even as a percentage...
You should see what's on TV overhere and what gets high ratings. Thank god I can receive the BBC.
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I dont know what you mean
*slowly sneaks away*
CERAMIC NAILBOMB IS THE GREATEST PICKUP EVAH!!!!!
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DISAGREE
DEATH TO THE PAGAN NON BELIEVERS RAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
:twisted: :band1: :twisted:
Actually I'll be the first to admit thanks to your post I think my next guitar will have a c-bomb bridge PDT_003
:lol:
Good man, its a great pickup.
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You should see what's on TV overhere and what gets high ratings. Thank god I can receive the BBC.
You should see the ridiculous amount of flak the BBC gets from other (private) media enterprises over here.
I am not going to be swayed by these people's special interests and I wouldn't bemoan the cost of the licence fee because as far as I'm concerned the BBC is the only network in the UK that ever has anything much of merit on it.
That said BBC radio has always been shite unless you want to spend ages waiting for panel games or sketch shows on radio3 which are fairly amusing (Radio plays do nothing for me and the only decent music station is digital only so nobody can listen to it apart from at home).
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bbc is fairly poor too. Don't get me wrong, I think we should still have it, but it's more the best of a bad lot, a lot of the time, as opposed to genuinely "good". and this guff about its being "unbiased" is laughable. It might not be biased in the way that, say, fox is, but it's still biased.
I agree about the special interests, though, can't stand murdoch and co.
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But I can list several shows on the BBC that I enjoy whereas I can name just one on ITV so that's my justification for praising the BBC.
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The BBC brought us David Attenborough. Whether they are any good now or not is a moot point, because I still owe them a bunch of back-pay from the day they employed him. :lol:
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i think we'd all miss the BBC if it was gone, and it has a hard time with people trying to jump down its throat ever since the Andrew Gilligan 'sexed up dossier' stuff. It has to compete with commercial stations, and also provide a public service in the form of educational content and so. ITV has no such remit. Channel 4 SHOULD in fact show more british programming than it does. Channel 5 is pretty much a non entity.
the BBC has a weird way of doing things, a lot of stuff is out sourced now (both programming and engineering) and it does have a commercial wing, but i think its a lot better than channel 5. I think commercial owned media has it in for the BBC, and to some degree I think the government does also.
Its weird how much people in other countries rely on certain BBC services.
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ITV has no such remit.
Which is just as well, because if they did they would $%&# it up royally.
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Might it be that the whole thing was kind of shooting backwards as both, the originally intended xmas #1 and the actual RATM are signed under the same label: Sony
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Aye, I did mention that in the other thread, heh. Apparently it's more about the message than being against Sony BMG / Simon Cowell per se.
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But I can list several shows on the BBC that I enjoy whereas I can name just one on ITV so that's my justification for praising the BBC.
yeah, but itv is total shite (now, anyway- some of its older shows were good).
and just because it makes an odd good programme doesn't necessarily mean it's great. but it certainly has a lot more good programmes than itv. though itv does show mission impossible, the world is not enough, (help me out here philly, i can't remember any others!) etc. about every 3 weeks :lol:
I think commercial owned media has it in for the BBC, and to some degree I think the government does also.
oh yeah, of course, and i don't really give their arguments any credence. At least, I might accept that they might have a slight point, but that they're also going to be extremely biased.
Might it be that the whole thing was kind of shooting backwards as both, the originally intended xmas #1 and the actual RATM are signed under the same label: Sony
not really, the stated aim was to stop x factor getting the christmas #1, with a fairly symbolic song, and it succeeded. When trying something which everyone says is impossible, you sometimes have to make sure you win to prove a point. Next year we can try some tiny unsigned band and see how far that gets... ;)
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though itv does show mission impossible, the world is not enough, (help me out here philly, i can't remember any others!) etc. about every 3 weeks :lol:
The Mummy 1 & 2, The Scorpion King, Die Hard 1 & 2, Along Came Polly. That's pretty much the entire ITV2 movie catalogue. :wink:
Although during the Christmas period they've expanded their repertoire by re-showing films which were on ITV1 a few days earlier.
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not really, the stated aim was to stop x factor getting the christmas #1, with a fairly symbolic song, and it succeeded. When trying something which everyone says is impossible, you sometimes have to make sure you win to prove a point. Next year we can try some tiny unsigned band and see how far that gets... ;)
so do you know the guy who started the facebook page pushing for this? If so, is he now loaded off a nice payout for services to sony?
take a look at the sony wikipedia page. there is a whole section entitled controversy. First heading under that is about them having a ficticious movie reviewer to boost ratings, and now they have a ficiticious rage against the machine fan, thats how i see it anyway
but when it comes down to it i really dont care, ive never seen xfactor or heard any of its winners, and i dont listen to RATM
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Tin foil hat time!
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what, so you think the music industry isnt devious?
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Of course, but it's a leap to assume that a facebook group started by some cat and his wife who tried last year as well are on a massive bung for getting RATM to number one.
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i heard Sony BMG was stood suspiciously near the grassy knoll when JFK took a bullet.
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Wikipedia is always right...
I think describing music industry as a whole as being devious is being very unkind, it's far worse than you imagine!
I've got a slightly bias view as my partner worked in the industry in several different roles for about 15 years. However I don't think it's any worse than any other industry where companies are trying to maximise their profits.
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One think I think we can all agree on is that Cowell and his company SyCO are ####!!s.
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I've got a slightly bias view as my partner worked in the industry in several different roles for about 15 years. However I don't think it's any worse than any other industry where companies are trying to maximise their profits.
I agree with this. I've heard of certain amp manufacturer posting fake harmony central reviews to boost sales before, I think the music industry at top levels is gonna be pretty competitive and therefore cutthroat. This is why people should get into starting there own labels. press some vinyl! take it out the hand of big business. listen to what Raybeez said!
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I've heard of certain amp manufacturer posting fake harmony central reviews to boost sales before
They do a pretty good job of writing just like 15 year old emo fans.
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well, they got found out and it was put down to a rogue PR employee.
good emo is good. although emo as a term is ridiculous. The band Embrace (dischord records) for example
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good emo is good. although emo as a term is ridiculous. The band Embrace (dischord records) for example
Yeah, I didn't mean being an emo fan is bad (15 years old or 50). I was just observing in my smart-arsey way that a lot of HC reviews are by people who don't seem to have played a lot of different gear for comparison purposes.
I don't really know much about emo, to be honest. I like Sunny Day Real Estate.
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a lot of it is a bit sickening.
stick to the dischord records catalog and you can't go wrong.
i find the terms 'emo' and 'post hardcore' really broad when used as descriptive terms to link bands to a genre.
like some people call Fugazi post hardcore, which kinda makes sense, and some people call that crazy metallic off beat weird time signature screaming stuff 'post hardcore'. which doesn't sound like Fugazi at all.
basically, when it comes to that sort of thing, i think it takes a lot of sorting wheat from chaff and im not prepared to do it.
check out Embrace (the dischord band) maybe Dag Nasty, Swiz, Fugazi, Jawbreaker, Samiam, Quicksand, Rival Schools, Lion Of Judah, Jets To Brazil, American Football (awesome guitar work!), Cap'n Jazz.
though i guess a lot of that verges towards hardcore.
f*ck Ateryu and Grade and stuff like that.
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I've got some Fugazi, Quicksand and Rival Schools stuff - had no idea what genre labels they'd fit under though! :lol:
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id call them all hardcore related.
Ian McKaye of Fugazi was responsible for a bunch of bands. Teen Idles, Minor Threat, Embrace.
Walter Schreifels (not sure if i spelt that right) is the major player behind Quicksand, and Rival Schools, and his roots are back in Gorilla Biscuits (essential hardcore band!) and he also does from solo stuff.
Those styles seem to be a progression from a single point of hardcore.
Far, Handsome, Orange 9MM, Burn, Into Another. They all fit with Quicksand. Helmet too actually but they're a bit different. If you get REALLY stuck into bands like Atlas Shrugged pop up. Of course there are a lot of contemporary bands that do something similar in a good way, but not too many.
Orange 9mm is connected to Burn... and Burn to Inside Out, the first band Zach against the machine sang in (AWESOME band) which in turn links to Hardstance in which Zack played guitar. The guitarist of Inside Out and Burn (Vic) became a Krishna monk for a few years and currently resides playing guitar in 108. although 108 had a pretty big hiatus, probably for krishna related reasons.
Dave Grohl was playing in scream around the time of some of those bands being in existence.
Its weird how many people you can link to East Coast Hardcore
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I've got the Handsome album, and everything by Helmet. And what about Jawbox, do they count?
See, I'm more into this stuff than I realised! :lol:
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i dunno jawbox.
unless you're thinking of Jawbreaker.
Those bands got pretty big (helmet for inventing drop d riffing, quicksand and orange 9mm and far all toured with Deftones at one point or another).
even though those bands did much better than the past band of individual members none of them really broke through.
Quicksand are awesome though, and massively different to gorilla biscuits. you can actually get Gorilla Biscuits - start today with Walter singing on it... its TERRIBLE!
you should check out my friends band Give.
http://www.myspace.com/givemusical
I got asked to play for them on a tour but the tour fell through.
also, my boy Alex's band Gypsy are good
http://www.sixfeetunderrecords.com/site/?page_id=881
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This was Jawbox:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawbox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawbox)
Thanks for all this info. I'm going to dig out my Quicksand and Rival Schools CDs for starters and see if I still like 'em. :)
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The Mummy 1 & 2, The Scorpion King, Die Hard 1 & 2, Along Came Polly. That's pretty much the entire ITV2 movie catalogue. :wink:
Although during the Christmas period they've expanded their repertoire by re-showing films which were on ITV1 a few days earlier.
there you go, thanks :lol:
so do you know the guy who started the facebook page pushing for this? If so, is he now loaded off a nice payout for services to sony?
take a look at the sony wikipedia page. there is a whole section entitled controversy. First heading under that is about them having a ficticious movie reviewer to boost ratings, and now they have a ficiticious rage against the machine fan, thats how i see it anyway
but when it comes down to it i really dont care, ive never seen xfactor or heard any of its winners, and i dont listen to RATM
nope, but i think the person who started the campaign was offered a job by cowell and didn't accept (could be wrong, though).