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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Ratrod on November 19, 2005, 11:15:52 AM
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According to a Belgian judge, Madonna's song Frozen is a plagiary of Salvatore Acquaviva's Ma Vie Fou Le Camp. The song is now banned in Belgium. Anyone who plays the song in public risks a fine of €125,000.- a day.
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They should ban Madonna's music everywhere!!Her new song is just a sample of a 70's track with a few vocals slapped over the top.
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You're right. However, those samples were used with permission.
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True,is it only banned in that country?
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madonna's old stuff is classic though! And she probably didn't know she was plagiarising - she just sings what the record label people tell her to! :P
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Her old stuff is classic pop with great songwriting but my point is the new stuff is so bland.And she does'nt sing live,bit of a con really when you see the price of concert tickets nowadys.
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True,is it only banned in that country?
For now the song is only banned in Belgium. The artist is Belgian and the court hearing was in Belgium too. But who knows? The next step would be go international with it.
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i hate that bitch. i really do. she's such a talentless, plagarising, egotistical whore. that's not the first time she's ripped something off by a long way though - that 'Music' one, with Ali G in the video, is totally ripped off from Kraftwerk's Trans Europa Express :evil:
also, she canny dance to save herself.
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went to slane last year with a crowd of mates, usually a rock festival but that year it was madonna. i don't know if it was her fault, but i'll blame her for iggy pop's utterly dire sound, the worst i've ever heard at a concert. i only went because he was supporting!
then every time there was a bit of drizzle, she left the stage until it cleared up! the tickets were unbelievably expensive, and on the day a programme was 50 or 60 euros. the next night i met the darkness in a bar in belfast, they said they's been taken off the bill at slane because madonna didn't want to be upstaged! but they still got paid!
i like some old madonna songs, but she won't be getting any more of my money
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i think the reason the older stuff is better is because madonna didn't actually write most of it.
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My girlfriends a big Madonna fan. So I have to put up with alot of it when we're in the car etc.
I'll admit to liking some of the 80s pop stuff, quite catchy in places :)
I'll agree, the new stuff is either so boring or it just steals from other songs. Like has already been mentioned, the new song is an ABBA riff (from Gimme Gimme Gimme) with a different beat and vocals over it.
My girlfriend saw her in concert last year. She paid £75 for a ticket, and that was in the cr@p seats! She said she mimed 1 song, because of a weird dance she was doing, but could tell she was singing for the rest of the songs because she was out of tune! :D
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I bet Benny & Bjorn are raking in the cash from the royalties of that sample! :D
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Personally Oasis are worse for plagarism and should join Madonna in the banned catagory.
Kilby...
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I bet Benny & Bjorn are raking in the cash from the royalties of that sample! :D
Probably not. IF they still own the publishing for the sample used, it was probably paid for as a limited liscence agreement, not as an outright royalty payment.
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But they still get the writing royalty even if they don't own the publishing rights. Intellectual property and all that.
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Either way, madonna sux
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Either way, madonna sux
Some say she's very good at that. :orcass:
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Some say she's very good at that. :orcass:
That's how she got where she is now :roll: By doing 'favours' for record company execs etc :twisted:
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now I think she looks a bit rank in that leotard, but she certainly isn't talentless. she somehow manages to walk the tightrope between credible and popular, and has done it for god knows how many years. i don't think she does what the record company tells her at all, and is probably one of the few artists who can tell the company what she is going to do.
as far as the sampling is concerned there are far worse offenders - Puff Daddy anybody? he has made a career out of using obvious samples in songs he has produced/"rapped" like Curtis Mayfield, Led Zeppelin etc.
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I cant say i like her, and im only posting here because i want to see my rank thing, haha!
I dont really lke much pop, i just cant see how most people cant handle more than three chords. Is that why people who like metal or any other pop alternative are generally intelligent? Because they listen to complex music?
Chavs listen to rap and hip hop.
I think thats as clear as i can get it. :lol:
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There are some very talented pop artists, just as there are some very poor metal bands around.
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Chart rap is terrible and thats a fact. It's when you start heading towards the underground stuff then the talent starts to shine. Pete Rock's music often has tiny snippets of jazz records, and the lyrics don't revolve around "bitches", guns and money. Public Enemy have lost the respect of many of those of the hip hop community because they always have a rock guitarist playing. Even Tupac was talking about starting a rock band before he was killed (he was in a film with Tim Roth who told the media after he had died). Obviously Ice T had success with Bodycount.
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Rap is pretty cool, once you get into the underground stuff.
Again, a lot of rappers are into different styles, but a lot of them do it for the money. If you wanted to do JazzRap but the money is in GangstaRap, why not make a load of cash first and then regain your integrity when you never have to work again? The guy from Busted did it and he seems to be doing quite well now (re: FightStar). Hell, Jimmy Page and most session musicians practically do it too!
Andy!
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My girlfriends a big Madonna fan. So I have to put up with alot of it when we're in the car etc.
My missus likes all sorts of dodgy music (and some good), but in my car, my music :twisted:
I saw a live Madonna thing on MTV the other day and she was def. singing but out of tune and a bit shaky, I'd be annoyed if I paid to see that!!
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why not make a load of cash first and then regain your integrity when you never have to work again?
Amen! If I ever had the opportunity to sell out, I would! :D All I'd have to do is not blow it all on coke and fast cars and swimming pools of champagne. Then after my 15 minutes of raking it in was over, I could wallow in all the integrity I wanted.
My wife digs '80s Madonna tracks (soundtrack of one's adolescence and all that), though I have a bizarre liking for her "Ray of Light" song. No idea whether she had any involvement in the writing, but I thought that with enough guitars it would make a stonking heavy rock barnburner :) and it already has enough swooshy noises to indulge my space rock fantasies :)
But hey: popular and simple don't have equal bad (even though they often do). A tune that works tends to work across styles. I remember hearing a rumour some years back about a doom metal ABBA tribute album that was going to be called "Black Abba", with Iron Monkey contributing a 9-minute version of "Super Trooper" (or something like that). Turned out to be a hoax, but I always thought that it would have been pretty cool :lol:
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I remember hearing a rumour some years back about a doom metal ABBA tribute album that was going to be called "Black Abba"
I read about a Abba covers band called Gabba that do the songs in the style of the Ramones.
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I read about a Abba covers band called Gabba that do the songs in the style of the Ramones.
Man, somebody played me a track from them the other week! Terrifyingly, it sounded exactly like a combination of Abba and the Ramones ;)
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My girlfriends a big Madonna fan. So I have to put up with alot of it when we're in the car etc.
My missus likes all sorts of dodgy music (and some good), but in my car, my music :twisted:
It's her car as I can't drive yet, so I don't have a choice :evil: