Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: James C on January 16, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
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Some of you may have seen that I've sold my Vigier that was in seconds out, at the end of the day i took home £1300 for it so i'm happy Buuuuuuuuuuuttttttttt.................
The guy i sold the guitar to have just listed it on sevenstring.org for sale at £1800 (as he bought it new for £2300??)
and has also put the original EMG's up for sale for £150.00
I know there's sod all to buggery i can do about it, but am open to ideas
here is the link
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/guitars-for-sale-trade-wanted/107002-vigier-excalibur-ultra-bareknuckle-pickups.html (http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/guitars-for-sale-trade-wanted/107002-vigier-excalibur-ultra-bareknuckle-pickups.html)
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Can't really do much other than reply and remind him he only paid £1300 for it I guess..
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Sneaky little shite.
You could reply to thread, unless it works like seconds out and you cant, post a warning to potential buyers thread with a link to the seconds out one explaining that his story on the age, price, pickup replacement (and alleged cost of that too) are all a tissue of lies, stick a note in your sig saying what he did, that sort of thing. Tell the mods too.
Whatever you do, dont do nothing. I loathe tossers like this and hope that, aside from you being snubbed by it in this particular occasion, thats true of most people and his attempt at making a few hundred quid from deceit fails and hes stuck with the guitar.
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Cheers for the advice guys, have posted a reply with a link to seconds out. I definately didn't want to do nothing, especially as Nolly is trying to sell his Vigier on the same forum for the same price. didn't want the D*ck taking trade from a BKP Forumite with lies.
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i agree with MDV. Good luck.
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I was going to say it's up to him what he does with it.... but reading his listing he's definitely implying he bought it new and he had BKPs installed. And he's flat-out lying about it never being gigged.
Not really much you can do, but "outing" him is a good start.
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I notice that he's posted that your a liar...go for the bar-steward
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Did you tell him it was gigged extensively? Or are you just posting that cause you've taken the huff that you've sold it to someone who just bought it to resell?
Frankly, I think it's hard lines for you, and it's bad form on your part posting to sabotage his sale out of bitterness.
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Someone buys something, then tries to sell for profit shocker!!!
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This could get interesting in a handbags kind of way.
Were you happy with the money you got for it? If so then what's your problem. Did you list it on that site for sale?
However at the end of the day it's his property now and he can charge what he wants for it. I'd be pissed off if it was me, but there's $%&# all you can do about it really. Notice he doesn't say that he bought it new anywhere in the ad. His presentation is way better than yours as well. Lesson to be learned there I think.
I'm assuming his costs are based on the listed retail price for the guitar new and the listed price for the pickups?
I notice he's mentioned that you told him it had not been gigged in an email, is that true?
He's an opportunist at worst, and if I was in the same boat, I'd do the same as he has if there was money to be made.
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I am happy with the price that i got for the guitar, but i only bought it from the store a year ago before i paid to put BKPs and new pots in the guitar. He's also got a thread advertising to sell the original EMG's for £150 as well.
It just seems that the next person to buy that guitar won't be getting a very good deal at all, as there are 6-7 vigiers in my local store going for £1900 - £2300 Brand New.
I had told him that i didn't gig the guitar anymore as i now use my seven string, not that i didn't gig the guitar.
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It just seems that the next person to buy that guitar won't be getting a very good deal at all, as there are 6-7 vigiers in my local store going for £1900 - £2300 Brand New.
If he's being over-ambitious with the price, it won't sell. But it really is up to him what he wants to sell it for, and it's up to the next buyer what they're prepared to pay for it. There's nothing wrong with buying a guitar because you think you see a profit in it.
If it was just about the price I'd say leave this and forget about it, it'll just annoy you more if he sells it for £1,800. I still cringe when I think of the times I sold guitars for less than they were worth (one in particular, I hate to think what it's worth now...).
I still think he's been dishonest over the gigging issue, and I do think his wording implies that he bought it new and had the BKPs fitted.
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The 'Truth' would make a bad advert.." Bought this for £1300, looking to make a profit..etc"
The only person who looks bad in this situation is you for posting on his thread. Are you 15?
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Theres nothing wrong with selling at profit
Theres plenty wrong with misleading your prospective buyers. They're getting something under false pretenses. The phrasing of the ad is carefully geared to be true, strictly speaking, but to give the impression of things that arent true. Never gigged - certainly he never gigged it. Not never gigged. Cost 2300 new - yeah, it would have, but he didnt buy it new. BKPs added "now" it sounds fantastic implies he heard it before it had the NBs in, which he didnt, but that statement is still not a lie; it presumably does currently, at this moment, now, sound fantastic.
The whole lot, while each part is true, adds to build a picture of him buying this guitar when MotE did, rather than a week ago, of him putting the investment in pickup upgrade, paying for the work to be done and carefully looking after the guitar, never gigging it, for that time period. An ungigged guitar thats had professional work done on it leads a buyer to be more reassured of the condition and reliability of the instrument, and to state or suggest these things where they arent the case or are ambiguous is deceitful.
If I were looking at buying the guitar off him, I would want mote to say something about this, because I would want to know that this person isnt someone I would want to buy anything whatsoever from.
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Theres nothing wrong with selling at profit
Theres plenty wrong with misleading your prospective buyers. They're getting something under false pretenses. The phrasing of the ad is carefully geared to be true, strictly speaking, but to give the impression of things that arent true. Never gigged - certainly he never gigged it. Not never gigged. Cost 2300 new - yeah, it would have, but he didnt buy it new. BKPs added "now" it sounds fantastic implies he heard it before it had the NBs in, which he didnt, but that statement is still not a lie; it presumably does currently, at this moment, now, sound fantastic.
The whole lot, while each part is true, adds to build a picture of him buying this guitar when MotE did, rather than a week ago, of him putting the investment in pickup upgrade, paying for the work to be done and carefully looking after the guitar, never gigging it, for that time period. An ungigged guitar thats had professional work done on it leads a buyer to be more reassured of the condition and reliability of the instrument, and to state or suggest these things where they arent the case or are ambiguous is deceitful.
If I were looking at buying the guitar off him, I would want mote to say something about this, because I would want to know that this person isnt someone I would want to buy anything whatsoever from.
Sage words from the man here...
(I tried to say roughly the same yesterday, and it was an epic fail... so I didn't post it :roll:).
The mod on that thread seems to agree, and has allowed your post to stand for that reason...
If the bloke starts arguing any further, and then if you respond more, it'll just make you both look bad... As it is, you're looking like a caring forumite at the moment (backed up by the mod) and I'd recommend that you've done what's needed, just ignore the thread from now on, no matter what the other bloke says...
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Andy has sadid pretty much what I was going to say. If someone buys it for £1800 after seeing the history of what happened then so be it. There is little than you can do about it now. He may struggle selling it for that much now though.
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Yeah, I agree with andy and ian.
I think that hes carefully manipulated the phrasing of the ad to imply that he is the original owner is now clear to everyone that reads it and has any reading comprehension skills. If someone still wants to buy it, then thats their choice. Caveat emptor.
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If the guitar is mint then then the fact it was second hand is irrelevant.
As has been said, if the guitar's not worth £1800, it won't sell. If someone paid that, it was worth that to them.
Still think posting in the guy's thread is childish and petty, and the pretence of informing potential buyers is a smoke screen. You've just pissed all over his thread out of spite. If that was my sale I'd be pretty pissed off. It's no longer your guitar, and therefore this sale has nothing to do with you. Grow up
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A sorry set of circumstances for sure. That guy overvalues his sales, he has tried to do trades with me on several items in the past. I quickly grew tired of dealing with him, his demeanour is pushy and he often sent me the same message on 3 or 4 forums as well as my email.
Unfortunately it's his right to charge what he wants.
I don't feel that what you're doing would affect my sale so don't worry about that :)
EDIT: After looking back at the deal I did with Lew for my Vigier, I'm shocked to find that I was mistaken over the price I paid, which means I've overvalued it in my listings. I feel like a bit of a tit now :oops:
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If the guitar is mint then then the fact it was second hand is irrelevant.
As has been said, if the guitar's not worth £1800, it won't sell. If someone paid that, it was worth that to them.
Still think posting in the guy's thread is childish and petty, and the pretence of informing potential buyers is a smoke screen. You've just pissed all over his thread out of spite. If that was my sale I'd be pretty pissed off. It's no longer your guitar, and therefore this sale has nothing to do with you. Grow up
Youre missing the point (which I'm not going to detail again)
Try this
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Passages-Build-Reading-Comprehension-High-Interest/dp/0439548896/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263826104&sr=8-1
And, you seem to be lost. The confrontational and rambunctious posting will go down much better here
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/
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I disagree with you, live with it. That doesn't make me slow or "rambunctious".
Why the personal attack dude, I've got no problem with you?
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I don't know man - your first post was definitely no good and looked a bit silly IMO with all the big letter.. the second one was much more informative. anyway - as others said, I doubt anyone will go for it now.
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I disagree with you, live with it. That doesn't make me slow or "rambunctious".
Why the personal attack dude, I've got no problem with you?
Your previous post was a little ambiguous in direction. It was phrased as though to Mote, but he hadnt posted since before your post before that. Plus it contained personal attacks, and was quite oddly agressive - disproportionate to the subject or discussion as a whole imo.
I'm afraid that irked me.
Youre quite right that disagreeing doesnt make you slow or belligerent, and I have no problem with being disagreed with. Its also true that he can indeed charge what he likes for it. But neither of those are the crux of the matter, in my estimation - its that hes misrepresenting the facts/lying. That was my point and I was suggesting (rather impolitely I'll grant you) that you look at the threads in seconds out on the guitar when it was being sold by Mote, then look again at how the seller on 7string has presented the guitar and its history. His statements can be read as being factually true, if looked at in a certain light and when the wind is blowing 6.3mph in a north north easterly direction, but try and tell me that he's being honest.
Not saying 'I'm trying to make a buck on this', thats fine. Implying that hes the original owner, had the pickups changed, and never gigged it since he bought it (new) is decietfull. Again - were I previously looking at the guitar (and the thought crossed my mind when Mote was selling it) I would want to know that the seller was exercising liberal linguistic legerdemain to make the guitar more apealing.
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Lovely bit of alliteration there MDV ("liberal linguistic legerdemain")...
It's even got a nice rhythm, mebbe someone should work it into a lyric... :lol:
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A happy accident.
Mainly, I was watching star trek 6 last night and spock said 'legerdemain' at one point, and I had to look it up, and wanted to use it in a sentence :lol:
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Just checked in and read through the thread - will agree that the giant lettering makes me seem like a bit of a tool! Just wanted to make people aware that the seller is liberal with the placement of the truth, although MDV and others argued that point much better than i ever could.
on another note..... Star Trek 6 is an awesome film!
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Hell yeah it is.
Its no wrath of khan or first contact, but its a quality film.
Very much part of the even numbered star trek = good, odd= bad trend. (Though I like 3 a bit and generations is OK).
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Theres nothing wrong with selling at profit
Theres plenty wrong with misleading your prospective buyers. They're getting something under false pretenses. The phrasing of the ad is carefully geared to be true, strictly speaking, but to give the impression of things that arent true. Never gigged - certainly he never gigged it. Not never gigged. Cost 2300 new - yeah, it would have, but he didnt buy it new. BKPs added "now" it sounds fantastic implies he heard it before it had the NBs in, which he didnt, but that statement is still not a lie; it presumably does currently, at this moment, now, sound fantastic.
The whole lot, while each part is true, adds to build a picture of him buying this guitar when MotE did, rather than a week ago, of him putting the investment in pickup upgrade, paying for the work to be done and carefully looking after the guitar, never gigging it, for that time period. An ungigged guitar thats had professional work done on it leads a buyer to be more reassured of the condition and reliability of the instrument, and to state or suggest these things where they arent the case or are ambiguous is deceitful.
If I were looking at buying the guitar off him, I would want mote to say something about this, because I would want to know that this person isnt someone I would want to buy anything whatsoever from.
+ infinity.
I never understood the prevailing wisdom which seems to be that if you try to sabotage someone else's sale, nomatter what the reasons are, you're automatically a dick, while the seller can never be a dick unless he takes the money and runs (without sending the item). I completely disagree with that logic, if i were buying it, I'd want to know the truth.
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Cool, thanks dave, but we're on star trek films now, try and keep up!
nemesis was underrated.
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just caught up :lol: legerdemain is a fricking awesome word. Nice to see I'm not the only person who likes awesome words. :lol:
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Damn straight. Love learning a new awesome word :D
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I think it's a bit of a cumbersome word.
I've found myself using Cantankerous a lot, recently. It's a good 'un.
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I would normally use mendacious in such circumstances, but I wanted to use my new word :lol:
For some reason I'm quite fond of "erstwhile", and use it at every opportunity, which is few, but strangely pleasing.
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I feel some of you seem to be getting a bit caught up in the seller's alleged dishonesty.
He is selling a guitar he owns, which he has a right to do.
He also has a right to ask however much he wishes.
Does it matter whether HE had the pick ups fitted or not?
Does it matter whether HE bought the guitar from new?
Does it matter how much he paid for it?
How does any of this affect the quality of what he is selling?
The sellers character is being called into question, when at the end of the day if he has what he is selling, it is as described and he intends to deliver the guitar upon payment. That is what's important here.
The only place he has deviated from the truth is by saying the guitar was never gigged.
A P.M. to suggest he remove this from the advert is, at most, what I would have done (As the title asks)
If you're going to trawl the internet looking for adverts where people aren't being entirely honest, you're going to be very busy. There are FAR worse out there than this.
I don't watch Star Trek so can add nothing to that conversation
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:roll:
Do we really need to start this again?
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:roll:
Do we really need to start this again?
We really dont.
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I like nonsense words too. Some are staring you in the face - buildings, for example. They're finished! They should be called builts.
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I like nonsense words too. Some are staring you in the face - buildings, for example. They're finished! They should be called builts.
Ever been discombobulated by all these big words?
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:roll:
Do we really need to start this again?
We really dont.
We really really don't.
I'm not a big fan of the Star Trek movies, except the Wrath of Khan.
My favourite words, I think, are Proprioception and Curmudgeon.
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This thread is too high-brow for me, I'm off to lurk in the less erudite, constituent subdivisions of the forum where conversation is more elementary, and where the locutional panorama is less bestrewn with such intricate parlance so that my intellect is less taxed by the sophisticated discourse that seems the dernier cri within the bounds of this sequential dialogue.
Ha ha, top that you c***s
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without wishing to re-continue a slight hint of flaming
do things like The Sale of Goods Act 1979 still apply to sales via individual rather than registered business
since there are possible discrepancies of said good of being as described (partly dependant to personal view point of weasel wording in said ad)
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:roll:
Do we really need to start this again?
We really dont.
We really really don't.
I'm not a big fan of the Star Trek movies, except the Wrath of Khan.
My favourite words, I think, are Proprioception and Curmudgeon.
Excuse me for being on topic. Jeez, you guys really don't like being disagreed with do you.
Anyway I'll let you get back to discussing how many "awesome" words you know
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:roll:
Do we really need to start this again?
We really dont.
We really really don't.
I'm not a big fan of the Star Trek movies, except the Wrath of Khan.
My favourite words, I think, are Proprioception and Curmudgeon.
Excuse me for being on topic. Jeez, you guys really don't like being disagreed with do you.
Anyway I'll let you get back to discussing how many "awesome" words you know
Well, this internets is serious business.
I had to look up Proprioception! Thanks...sort of...:lol:
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I feel some of you seem to be getting a bit caught up in the seller's alleged dishonesty.
He is selling a guitar he owns, which he has a right to do.
He also has a right to ask however much he wishes.
Does it matter whether HE had the pick ups fitted or not?
Yes
Does it matter whether HE bought the guitar from new?
Yes
Does it matter how much he paid for it?
No
How does any of this affect the quality of what he is selling?
I like to know the actual background of what I might buy. I don't like people fluffing the facts. Though apparently reputable shops are just as bad as private sellers.
The sellers character is being called into question, when at the end of the day if he has what he is selling, it is as described and he intends to deliver the guitar upon payment. That is what's important here.
"At the end of the day" is a phrase heard all too much on the Jeremy Kyle show.
The only place he has deviated from the truth is by saying the guitar was never gigged.
A P.M. to suggest he remove this from the advert is, at most, what I would have done (As the title asks)
If you're going to trawl the internet looking for adverts where people aren't being entirely honest, you're going to be very busy. There are FAR worse out there than this.
I don't watch Star Trek so can add nothing to that conversation
Maybe you should start
Now Bob, what you sayin' is good, and I'm 'a let you finish, but Beyonce is the BEST person at selling online.
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Ok, let's imagine the advert says..
Vigier guitar in mint condition, with BKP fitted.
Would cost £2300 new.
£1800 ono
Would anyone be up in arms about that? You still know nothing more about it's history.
The quality of the item stands on it's own, how many owners it's had IS irrelevant. It's condition is whats important here (to me anyway)
Why does it matter if he fitted the pick ups?
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he might suck a fitting pickups.
scotty can fix a warp core. but he aint just any old ensign.
you know what i mean?
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He might be a pick up fitting genius.
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touche!
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I like nonsense words too. Some are staring you in the face - buildings, for example. They're finished! They should be called builts.
Ever been discombobulated by all these big words?
I asked my (13 year old) sister if she was discombobulated once. She did seem disccombobulated at the time. She laughed, quite hysterically, thinking that I'd made the word up on the spot. Took some convincing that its a real word, with a dictionary definition and everything.
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all these words are doubleplusgood
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Now Bob, what you sayin' is good, and I'm 'a let you finish, but Beyonce is the BEST person at selling online.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nice!
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'Imma let you finish' was on the most recent episide of the mentalist. Was very funny (largely for being unexpected, so I've probably just ruined it for you, if you watch it. Sorry).
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Damn straight. Love learning a new awesome word :D
:drink:
I would normally use mendacious in such circumstances, but I wanted to use my new word :lol:
For some reason I'm quite fond of "erstwhile", and use it at every opportunity, which is few, but strangely pleasing.
i like ostensible/ostensibly. and temerity. And rakish, but unfortunately there are very few occasions where you can use it, considering it's not the regency :(
Ok, let's imagine the advert says..
Vigier guitar in mint condition, with BKP fitted.
Would cost £2300 new.
£1800 ono
Would anyone be up in arms about that? You still know nothing more about it's history.
The quality of the item stands on it's own, how many owners it's had IS irrelevant. It's condition is whats important here (to me anyway)
Why does it matter if he fitted the pick ups?
that wouldn't be a problem, because he wouldn't be making shite up. Those things may not matter to one person, but they may to another- it's the buyer's call, not the seller's, and the buyer can't make that call without knowing the truth.
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that wouldn't be a problem, because he wouldn't be making shitee up. Those things may not matter to one person, but they may to another- it's the buyer's call, not the seller's, and the buyer can't make that call without knowing the truth.
A savvy buyer will ask the right questions, or even better, see the guitar. Anyone who parts with 1800 based on an ad like that alone is taking a pretty large risk, despite these petty deceits.
The guitar is as described ie. 'mint' Any potential future owner would be entirely satisfied.
For all you know, the guy might have bought the guitar with good intentions, but might now need the cash for a life saving operation for his son. (probably not)
If the O.P. was being honest he was pissed off that he undersold the guitar and acted out of spite. That's entirely understandable. But his response was naive and childish.
At the end of the day we are where we are with this.
I'm not being funny, but I dont think you can see the wood for the trees anymore
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Blah Blah
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I have to admit that, personally, I do lean somewhat towards Mr Gnarly's take on this (just so's you know there are folk on here who see what you getting at, and who agrees, er, in general ... :lol:).
However, I also see what everyone else is talking about. And I do kinda sympathise with Man On The Edge. I wouldn't have gone about it the way he did, and from what he posted somewhere earlier in here, I think he might do it different next time.
I'm glad you're still posting, my jaw dropped a bit when I finally followed the amazon link that MDV posted for an "improving read" ...! (same as it did when someone posted "Are you 15?") :lol: But everything seems vaguely ok now... :D
At the end of the day (glad I've found the source for the other thread about this phrase :lol:), god knows why, we've ended up being a little community on here. It's an absolute record for me staying on here - just about 2 years now I guess - I've never stayed on a forum that long, I usually retire in disgust, or get bored... life's too short... but this forum seems to regulate itself almost.
Anyway, cool words.
One of my faves is "Fallacious" - seems to be apt for this blokes ad possibly.
But the reason I love it so much is because when I came across it years ago I was able to use it almost immediately in a lyric describing a girl who was not entirely trustworthy. However, when you sang it, it could be heard "as is" or it could imply something entirely different in meaning (which she was also good at) :lol:
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I'm glad you're still posting, my jaw dropped a bit when I finally followed the amazon link that MDV posted for an "improving read" ...! (same as it did when someone posted "Are you 15?") :lol: But everything seems vaguely ok now... :D
I momentarily went into 'rest of the internet' mode. Apologies.
Stick around n00b, I mean...errr...bob; you'll see we're a nice bunch. Hopefully some will rub off on you
Not like that!
Filthy mind!
(You'll fit right in).
;)
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A savvy buyer will ask the right questions, or even better, see the guitar. Anyone who parts with 1800 based on an ad like that alone is taking a pretty large risk, despite these petty deceits.
The guitar is as described ie. 'mint' Any potential future owner would be entirely satisfied.
For all you know, the guy might have bought the guitar with good intentions, but might now need the cash for a life saving operation for his son. (probably not)
If the O.P. was being honest he was pissed off that he undersold the guitar and acted out of spite. That's entirely understandable. But his response was naive and childish.
At the end of the day we are where we are with this.
I'm not being funny, but I dont think you can see the wood for the trees anymore
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Blah Blah
i disagree. I also think it's unfair to say that the OP is lying- I have no financial interest at all in this transaction, and I'm a bit annoyed at what the new owner did. There are other motivators than jealousy or spite.
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You're right, I've had a change of heart on this. I'll get the pitchforks, and we'll head round there :D
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hey, i'm not saying we do anything like that (i know you're being sarcastic), just i know that if i were a buyer i'd want to know the truth.
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You're right, I've had a change of heart on this. I'll get the pitchforks, and we'll head round there :D
Bob, I'll be the first one here to say your absolutely spot on!
Who cares if the guitar is gigged or not, it's not like lying about how many miles a car has done. It's either got wear and tear or not, it looks good in the photo, so if you like it go and see it. If you like it when you get there either buy it or don't.
If I sell a guitar I'm not going to be it's moral guardian for the rest of it's life, it's a plank of wood, nothing I can say about it changes the truth, it is what it is. As long as it is a real Vigier and they are real Bare Knuckles in it.
Everbody chooses what truth to reveal when constructiong an advert, like when you you go for an interview do you think anybody here says 'yeah my hobby is sitting infront of the computer all day looking at guitars and masturbating' ? No, they would say I'm a very keen musican and am working hard to create musical masterpieces in my spare time'
This forum is becoming very.....
ho·li·er-than-thou (hl-r-n-ou)
adj.
(Exhibiting an attitude of superior virtue; self-righteously pious.)
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they would say I'm a very keen musican and am working hard to create musical masterpieces in my spare time'
But that's exactly what I do. Very badly :)
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Yeah but I missed it first time around! Point taken though :D
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I thought they were going to go round there with pitchforks?
Was there a change of plan then?
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Bob, I'll be the first one here to say your absolutely spot on!
Who cares if the guitar is gigged or not, it's not like lying about how many miles a car has done. It's either got wear and tear or not, it looks good in the photo, so if you like it go and see it. If you like it when you get there either buy it or don't.
If I sell a guitar I'm not going to be it's moral guardian for the rest of it's life, it's a plank of wood, nothing I can say about it changes the truth, it is what it is. As long as it is a real Vigier and they are real Bare Knuckles in it.
Everbody chooses what truth to reveal when constructiong an advert, like when you you go for an interview do you think anybody here says 'yeah my hobby is sitting infront of the computer all day looking at guitars and masturbating' ? No, they would say I'm a very keen musican and am working hard to create musical masterpieces in my spare time'
This forum is becoming very.....
ho·li·er-than-thou (hl-r-n-ou)
adj.
(Exhibiting an attitude of superior virtue; self-righteously pious.)
it still should be the buyer's call. Who knows, if he'd told the truth about where he'd got the guitar, he might have got the £1800 (or whatever it was) he wanted for it.
I don't buy this "holier than thou" guff, either. Some things are fairly obviously wrong, and this is one of them (imo).
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One things for sure, I've P!ssed on my chips if I want to sell anything in secods out for a few weeks!
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
i was going to say something like that, but thought it'd be too rude.
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It's on TGP for £1500 now.
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=668294&highlight=vigier
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HEY! Man, I'm late to this party... as a reward for reading through the whole thread I'm gonna beat the dead horse a bit!!
Well, you couldn't shift it at your price for ages and you had to change your price loads + it doesn't help that it got modded with those fugly as hell pickup rings... which you never disclosed as a mod, even after I p.m'd you and said I thought it was misleading to someone not savvy with Vigier iirc - so be fair you're not exactly mister transparent yourself :P
Having said that, he's not going to sell it at that price. Especially now you pissed in his cornflakes :lol:
I've bought a few guitars cheap - fallen out of love with them fast and sold them on at a profit.
Anywaaaay!! Just be happy you sold it, you tried long enough to get rid of it!
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A sorry set of circumstances for sure. That guy overvalues his sales, he has tried to do trades with me on several items in the past. I quickly grew tired of dealing with him, his demeanour is pushy and he often sent me the same message on 3 or 4 forums as well as my email.
Unfortunately it's his right to charge what he wants.
I don't feel that what you're doing would affect my sale so don't worry about that :)
EDIT: After looking back at the deal I did with Lew for my Vigier, I'm shocked to find that I was mistaken over the price I paid, which means I've overvalued it in my listings. I feel like a bit of a tit now :oops:
I didn't think your price was unfair considering it's condition and the deal we did - it's all swings and roundabouts + you know stuff that comes from you is gonna be 100% as advertised and your a ledg to deal with.
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....when you you go for an interview do you think anybody here says 'yeah my hobby is sitting infront of the computer all day looking at guitars and masturbating' ?
Speak for yourself... I've never made a secret of my hobby on this forum.
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the rest of us just wish you would :lol: